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The Deeply Human Side of the Immigration Debate
Oct. 18, 2007 | Vanity

Posted on 10/19/2007 1:25:01 PM PDT by BillCompton

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To: freespirited
Has he talked to an immigration lawyer? I have never heard of someone being deported over a car accident.

Thanks for trying to help. We actually were trying to hire the top law firm in the country which happens to be down in Miami. The attorney who told is absolutely top in his field.
61 posted on 10/19/2007 1:59:31 PM PDT by BillCompton
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To: BillCompton

I agree that some provision needs to be made for people who were brought here as young children, and have grown up here and stayed out of trouble, and really have no roots at all in their country of origin. Letting them stay legally should be contingent on the departure of the adults who brought them here. It’s not their fault they were brought here, and it’s not their fault that WE maintained a government that stubbornly refused to enforce our laws. WE need to take some responsibility for allowing that situation to continue for many, many years, while these kids who’d been brought here through no fault of their own were growing up without any meaningful connection to the countries they came from. I’d be happy to let these kids stay here, but I’d like to send a lot of traitorous politicians and law enforcement officers and social service workers to Mexico in spite of their US citizenship.


62 posted on 10/19/2007 1:59:53 PM PDT by GovernmentShrinker
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To: Mamzelle
Drop a (federal) dime on this godfather guy...

I can assure you he isn't in the olive oil business...

63 posted on 10/19/2007 2:01:07 PM PDT by Wings-n-Wind (The main things are the plain things!)
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To: BillCompton
Well, I don't think people realize how stupid they sound with the "moron" this and "move to Mexico" that sort of crap.

Back to the matter at hand. Salvador needs to separate his legal case from that of his parent's. That's the cold, hard truth. Any immigration attorney who counsels otherwise is simply after his money.

After his parents are removed from the legal equation, a capable immigration attorney should investigate whether there is some sort of statutory exception in cases like his. Exception meaning that, for all the language in the relevant statutes, it is a good question whether the legislative intent existed to compel deportations in cases like this (second grader brought here illegally, now an adult, no roots in Mexico, etc.).

64 posted on 10/19/2007 2:01:12 PM PDT by 1rudeboy
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To: af_vet_rr

Exactly.

Why do people talk about deportation as though the person was going to be executed or sent to prison ? It is only a matter of the person being returned to the country where he is a citizen. That seems a pretty minor penalty for somebody that knowingly committed fraud and took a relatively high-paying job away from an American citizen.

This kid got an education much better than he would have in Mexico, at the taxpayer’s expense. In a fair world, he’d not only have to go back to Mexico, but he’d owe the Florida school system $150K for his “free” education.


65 posted on 10/19/2007 2:01:18 PM PDT by Kellis91789 (Liberals aren't atheists. They worship government -- including human sacrifices.)
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To: BillCompton
"He got a license" Isn't getting a state-issued driver's license without legal documents ILLEGAL? Seems like there's more illegality here than you can shake a stick at, even though this felon is 'a great kid'. Why didn't he apply for citizenship like my husband did, and go through proper channels to become an American citizen? You know, since he loves America so much and wants to be a law abiding citizen and all?
66 posted on 10/19/2007 2:01:41 PM PDT by pillut48 (CJ in TX --Soccer Mom and proud RUSH REPUBLICAN! WIN, FRED, WIN!!!)
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To: BillCompton

Attempting to find my violin....you are kidding.


67 posted on 10/19/2007 2:02:03 PM PDT by dforest (Duncan Hunter is the best hope we have on both fronts.)
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To: dschapin

While there is plenty of blame to go around your absolution for the immigrants themselves is naive and socialistic. Unless of course you think the immigrants are totally stupid.


68 posted on 10/19/2007 2:02:39 PM PDT by Altura Ct.
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To: dschapin

Thanks for you thoughtful reply. I don’t know the first thing about the waiting period for green cards.


69 posted on 10/19/2007 2:02:52 PM PDT by BillCompton
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To: BillCompton
So flame away. But at least have the moral fiber to explain in what moral universe this boy deserves this mess.

It sucks. But you have to ask yourself: "What am I willing to sacrifice in order to never have anything suck?" Mexicans are coming to America faster than we can assimilate them into OUR culture. That problem has a lot of sources--partly many of them don't want to be assimilated, partly that our left does everything in it's power to prevent assimilation, partly sheer numbers.

The culture of governance they come from is a corrupt bribeocracy from top to bottom, run by 20 extraordinarily wealthy families who have maintained that system with a completely dysfunctional state. Dependence on government handouts is particularly endemic in the regions from which immigrants are coming. Our democrats already want to drive America hard in that direction, even more so than we are today. America cannot afford 20 million more voting members that see governance issues in that manner and survive as a functioning democracy. Period.

Are you willing to sacrifice what chance remains to save America from the left in order to make one kid's life better? I'm not. He's unfortunately caught up in bigger issues. If you want to blame someone, blame the boy's parents or blame the American politicians who have winked at open borders for 30 years. Don't blame the folks who want to start fixing a problem that should have been fixed 30 years ago.

At heart, you have fallen prey to the fundamental leftist argumentative technique--these arguments usually involve big-eyed children who have cancer, weepy-eyed teachers etc. Each of them have a terrible problem that could be solved by spending more money, creating a new government bureaucracy, passing a new law etc.

Your argument is in precisely this form. It involves an upright, productive illegal alien--probably a great kid. The hidden assumption in these types of arguments (your included) is that perfect justice is possible and that if we just make life better for the [big-eyed child, upright illegal, etc], all will be well and nothing will be sacrificed. That is almost always false. The tradeoff is the end of the American Republic, what remains of it.

70 posted on 10/19/2007 2:02:57 PM PDT by ModelBreaker
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To: BillCompton
This reminds me of the story of this guy, we’ll call him “Bill” for anonymity’s sake, who was on Free Republic for years. He used to make thoughtful little comments, usually preceded by a long, “hmmmmmmm,” just to show that they were truly thoughtful. He’d post articles now and then, fringe stuff right on the edge of Trollville, but mostly he kept his head low and followed what he thought was the FReeper “party line” because he had no functioning brain of his own, just a love-laden bleeding heart.

Then one day there was an accident! His inner DUer finally broke free, his sleeping Troll finally awoke, and he just had to stick it right into the heart of those evil conservative "meanies". He wrote a long and heart-wrenching sob story about his imaginary friend Salvador whom he loved, cherished and trusted with his children.

That was the day Bill posted this loaded, steaming, malodorous piece of Barbra Streisand to Free Republic. His cover was blown, the Mods locked him up in a detention center, and he was later deported to his long lost home, DUmmyland.

71 posted on 10/19/2007 2:04:52 PM PDT by Thrusher ("Only the dead have seen the end of war.")
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To: BillCompton

Salvador’s potential political leanings cannot be a factor in considering whether or not to favor him for citizenship. For every illegal immigrant who is likely to vote Republican, there are a hundred who will certainly vote Democrat. We can’t have a test to separate the sheep from the goats.

Either we deport them all or accept them all. I am not ready for every person on the planet to have the rights to US citizenship.


72 posted on 10/19/2007 2:05:26 PM PDT by gridlock (ELIMINATE PERVERSE INCENTIVES)
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73 posted on 10/19/2007 2:05:26 PM PDT by gubamyster
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To: F15Eagle

I have two nephews who would be very good at this job.

One works two jobs to support his four kids and wife, the other was downsized at a Pool installation job and is now at Burger King with a wife and two kids to support.

Hey, our Slovak Dance teacher is a fine young man who actually is a pretty big star back home in Slovakia. He has money and a Green Card about to expire. He volunteers to teach dance and language lessons at the church. We are about to lose him, but this kid should stay?

Sorry, THAT is not fair.


74 posted on 10/19/2007 2:05:32 PM PDT by netmilsmom (To attack one section of Christianity in this day and age, is to waste time .)
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To: BillCompton

OK, so now I, as a person who supports LEGAL immigration, am handed yet another reason to feel all crappy about myself. And feel crappy about the government, and those nasty laws, etc.

So why in h*ll os this my responsibility? Why is it the governments?

I’ll tell you squarely whose responsibility it is.

His parents, who illegally smuggled him into America. Who, in all those years, never cared enough about his well being to get things straightened out.

And if his parents don’t give enough of a damn to get things done right, I sure as hell ain’t gonna lose sleep over it.


76 posted on 10/19/2007 2:06:34 PM PDT by djf (Send Fred some bread! Not a whole loaf, a slice or two will do!)
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To: org.whodat
No more leaches!

Are you just being a jerk, or can you substantiate that? In no substantive way could he be called a leach to any greater degree than any of us. What makes you so special?
77 posted on 10/19/2007 2:06:37 PM PDT by BillCompton
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To: BillCompton

It sounds like Salvador has a specialty with the work he does. He also pays taxes, it means he does have a ITIN (Individual Taxpayer Identification Number) number. If you feel so strongly about this happenting to Salvador, you may speak with his employer for help. His employer can request, through his Representative or Senator for paperwork to allow Salvador to stay in this country, legally. The employer needs to fill out paperwork telling that Salvador does a specialty work. It also sounds like he has a scheister lawyer. But you and his employer can help him through either your Representative or Senator or both. Good Luck.
Hopefully Salvador has kept all of pay stubs, those can prove he is in good standing with his taxes


78 posted on 10/19/2007 2:07:06 PM PDT by tillacum
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To: colorado tanker

“Who would vote for such people in the future?”

Myself and the majority of Americans who want our borders closed to ILLEGAL IMMIGRATION. Keyword “illegal”.


79 posted on 10/19/2007 2:07:34 PM PDT by Resolute Conservative
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To: Wings-n-Wind
Hah. Like the whole town doesn't know? There's a devil's bargain in place. Like I said, he keeps the peace. His replacement may not decide to.

Here's the future for this naive little Mayberry: the recent immigrants are almost all Mexican, but there's a smaller enclave that came here without El Jefe's help--and they are Salvadoran. I think the mugs with the ugly dog are probably Salvadoran, and they were making a show of strength before the meeker Mexican Indios. 15% is critical mass--once it gets closer to 20% it's going to mean gangs. (I remember this from Texas. There's something about 15-20%).

80 posted on 10/19/2007 2:08:31 PM PDT by Mamzelle
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