Posted on 10/19/2007 1:25:01 PM PDT by BillCompton
I agree that some provision needs to be made for people who were brought here as young children, and have grown up here and stayed out of trouble, and really have no roots at all in their country of origin. Letting them stay legally should be contingent on the departure of the adults who brought them here. It’s not their fault they were brought here, and it’s not their fault that WE maintained a government that stubbornly refused to enforce our laws. WE need to take some responsibility for allowing that situation to continue for many, many years, while these kids who’d been brought here through no fault of their own were growing up without any meaningful connection to the countries they came from. I’d be happy to let these kids stay here, but I’d like to send a lot of traitorous politicians and law enforcement officers and social service workers to Mexico in spite of their US citizenship.
I can assure you he isn't in the olive oil business...
Back to the matter at hand. Salvador needs to separate his legal case from that of his parent's. That's the cold, hard truth. Any immigration attorney who counsels otherwise is simply after his money.
After his parents are removed from the legal equation, a capable immigration attorney should investigate whether there is some sort of statutory exception in cases like his. Exception meaning that, for all the language in the relevant statutes, it is a good question whether the legislative intent existed to compel deportations in cases like this (second grader brought here illegally, now an adult, no roots in Mexico, etc.).
Exactly.
Why do people talk about deportation as though the person was going to be executed or sent to prison ? It is only a matter of the person being returned to the country where he is a citizen. That seems a pretty minor penalty for somebody that knowingly committed fraud and took a relatively high-paying job away from an American citizen.
This kid got an education much better than he would have in Mexico, at the taxpayer’s expense. In a fair world, he’d not only have to go back to Mexico, but he’d owe the Florida school system $150K for his “free” education.
Attempting to find my violin....you are kidding.
While there is plenty of blame to go around your absolution for the immigrants themselves is naive and socialistic. Unless of course you think the immigrants are totally stupid.
Thanks for you thoughtful reply. I don’t know the first thing about the waiting period for green cards.
It sucks. But you have to ask yourself: "What am I willing to sacrifice in order to never have anything suck?" Mexicans are coming to America faster than we can assimilate them into OUR culture. That problem has a lot of sources--partly many of them don't want to be assimilated, partly that our left does everything in it's power to prevent assimilation, partly sheer numbers.
The culture of governance they come from is a corrupt bribeocracy from top to bottom, run by 20 extraordinarily wealthy families who have maintained that system with a completely dysfunctional state. Dependence on government handouts is particularly endemic in the regions from which immigrants are coming. Our democrats already want to drive America hard in that direction, even more so than we are today. America cannot afford 20 million more voting members that see governance issues in that manner and survive as a functioning democracy. Period.
Are you willing to sacrifice what chance remains to save America from the left in order to make one kid's life better? I'm not. He's unfortunately caught up in bigger issues. If you want to blame someone, blame the boy's parents or blame the American politicians who have winked at open borders for 30 years. Don't blame the folks who want to start fixing a problem that should have been fixed 30 years ago.
At heart, you have fallen prey to the fundamental leftist argumentative technique--these arguments usually involve big-eyed children who have cancer, weepy-eyed teachers etc. Each of them have a terrible problem that could be solved by spending more money, creating a new government bureaucracy, passing a new law etc.
Your argument is in precisely this form. It involves an upright, productive illegal alien--probably a great kid. The hidden assumption in these types of arguments (your included) is that perfect justice is possible and that if we just make life better for the [big-eyed child, upright illegal, etc], all will be well and nothing will be sacrificed. That is almost always false. The tradeoff is the end of the American Republic, what remains of it.
Then one day there was an accident! His inner DUer finally broke free, his sleeping Troll finally awoke, and he just had to stick it right into the heart of those evil conservative "meanies". He wrote a long and heart-wrenching sob story about his imaginary friend Salvador whom he loved, cherished and trusted with his children.
That was the day Bill posted this loaded, steaming, malodorous piece of Barbra Streisand to Free Republic. His cover was blown, the Mods locked him up in a detention center, and he was later deported to his long lost home, DUmmyland.
Salvador’s potential political leanings cannot be a factor in considering whether or not to favor him for citizenship. For every illegal immigrant who is likely to vote Republican, there are a hundred who will certainly vote Democrat. We can’t have a test to separate the sheep from the goats.
Either we deport them all or accept them all. I am not ready for every person on the planet to have the rights to US citizenship.
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I have two nephews who would be very good at this job.
One works two jobs to support his four kids and wife, the other was downsized at a Pool installation job and is now at Burger King with a wife and two kids to support.
Hey, our Slovak Dance teacher is a fine young man who actually is a pretty big star back home in Slovakia. He has money and a Green Card about to expire. He volunteers to teach dance and language lessons at the church. We are about to lose him, but this kid should stay?
Sorry, THAT is not fair.
OK, so now I, as a person who supports LEGAL immigration, am handed yet another reason to feel all crappy about myself. And feel crappy about the government, and those nasty laws, etc.
So why in h*ll os this my responsibility? Why is it the governments?
I’ll tell you squarely whose responsibility it is.
His parents, who illegally smuggled him into America. Who, in all those years, never cared enough about his well being to get things straightened out.
And if his parents don’t give enough of a damn to get things done right, I sure as hell ain’t gonna lose sleep over it.
It sounds like Salvador has a specialty with the work he does. He also pays taxes, it means he does have a ITIN (Individual Taxpayer Identification Number) number. If you feel so strongly about this happenting to Salvador, you may speak with his employer for help. His employer can request, through his Representative or Senator for paperwork to allow Salvador to stay in this country, legally. The employer needs to fill out paperwork telling that Salvador does a specialty work. It also sounds like he has a scheister lawyer. But you and his employer can help him through either your Representative or Senator or both. Good Luck.
Hopefully Salvador has kept all of pay stubs, those can prove he is in good standing with his taxes
“Who would vote for such people in the future?”
Myself and the majority of Americans who want our borders closed to ILLEGAL IMMIGRATION. Keyword “illegal”.
Here's the future for this naive little Mayberry: the recent immigrants are almost all Mexican, but there's a smaller enclave that came here without El Jefe's help--and they are Salvadoran. I think the mugs with the ugly dog are probably Salvadoran, and they were making a show of strength before the meeker Mexican Indios. 15% is critical mass--once it gets closer to 20% it's going to mean gangs. (I remember this from Texas. There's something about 15-20%).
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