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The Deeply Human Side of the Immigration Debate
Oct. 18, 2007 | Vanity

Posted on 10/19/2007 1:25:01 PM PDT by BillCompton

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To: BillCompton
Hire an immigration lawyer for him, if you take such a personal concern for his plight. That's what "padrons" often do for those illegals with whom they form a personal and familial attachment. That he is only accused of misdemeanors (I assume, I don't know the laws of your state) would be helpful. Or find him an American wife.

Would you like to know what's happened to my small town in the past seven years? We have a "godfather" who appears to operate without any governmental challenge whatsoever. Because his "flock" is so large, he is fast becoming the town's unelected Mayor.

His front is a big church "Iglesia Bautista Evangelista" but the local church leaders are solemn and afraid of him. None of his "flock" ever goes to any other church. A few tried, becaus there was a Hispanic outreach and he disciplined them severely. He brings in his flock from deep in Mexico. He's the go-to man with a cellphone who knows the crooked contractors and the slumlords. He knows how to get the kids into the schools, somehow, even with all the vaccination requirements.

In my hometown, the # of ESL students has gone from 5% to 15% in FIIVE YEARS. Tripling in five years.

In my hometown, in the rural mountainous south, there are three shops that advertise "Envios Dinero" and sport Mexican flags. The windowfronts are heavily postered and no walkers-by on the sidewalks can see inside. Must be real dark in there.

This godfather presently does a good job of keeping the peace. The other day, though, I saw something disturbing. There were two young toughs marching a pair of hideous dogs--worse than pit bulls, larger, like those dogs the lawyer couple in CA had that killed one of their neighbors. They marched, swaggering, past the police station.

Who knows what sort of godfather will come next, when the tenure of this one is done?

I know some in the affluent Golfing Set who also get very attached to their servants. George Bush clearly puts his loyalty to his house servants over his loyalty to the rights and privileges of lawful Americans.

41 posted on 10/19/2007 1:47:23 PM PDT by Mamzelle
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To: BillCompton

Well Bill.....on a positive note....you are free to move to mexico with him...


42 posted on 10/19/2007 1:47:32 PM PDT by Crim (Dont frak with the Zeitgeist....)
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To: Resolute Conservative
What planet is he on to assume this?

One in his alternate universe.

43 posted on 10/19/2007 1:47:50 PM PDT by bcsco ("The American Indians found out what happens when you don't control immigration.")
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To: Resolute Conservative
Evidently not you moron. Just another leech who we should deport.

BTW I wish my high school agred kids could make $35K a year and still have time for school.

I smell bovine excrement.


Yeah, I am making it up. You do know that your response doesn't make much sense. But thanks for calling me a liar. That much was clear.
44 posted on 10/19/2007 1:47:53 PM PDT by BillCompton
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To: BillCompton

“(He speaks without an accent) and is as American as I am.”

Well Bill, in point of fact, he isn’t as American as you and I.
This country can deport illegal aliens and even legal immigrants, but not American citizens or even children of illegal aliens born here.
That’s the law. Salvador was in this country illegally, so he was deported.
You can argue some sort of `act utilitarianism’ if you want—make exceptions for illegal aliens that you know and vouch for, but then the exceptions overcome the rule.
And the next thing you know, the ACLU is rubbing their collective foreskins (or not) while they mull over how to ... well, you know what I’m sayin’.


45 posted on 10/19/2007 1:48:52 PM PDT by tumblindice (Hi, my name's Patty! Is this the Pity Party? Where's the potty?)
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To: BillCompton
When they got him to jail, they ran his id and determined that he was illegal.

And what part of ILLEGAL don't you understand?

46 posted on 10/19/2007 1:49:19 PM PDT by rockabyebaby (HEY JORGE, SHUT UP AND BUILD THE BLEEPING FENCE, ACTIONS SPEAK LOUDER THAN WORDS.)
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To: F15Eagle

I attend a Slovak Catholic Church. You wouldn’t believe how many people I know that have paid $$$ for years, in an attempt to get here legally.

When they are turned down, they lose the money. Yet, many keep trying. Year after year.


47 posted on 10/19/2007 1:49:31 PM PDT by netmilsmom (To attack one section of Christianity in this day and age, is to waste time .)
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To: teenyelliott

I am not sure that it makes sense to loath the many illegals who do come here to work hard and make money to give their families a better life. If you lived in a corrupt country which was dirt poor and just a few miles away their was a very prosperous country which had many available jobs and had been serious about enforcing its immigration laws for many years wouldn’t you also cross the border illegally and work to improve your families lot. So, in the end we do need to stop illegal immigration but I don’t think that you can really (morally) blame those illegal immigrants who have come here to work hard - The criminals and people who come for social services are a completely different matter.


48 posted on 10/19/2007 1:50:13 PM PDT by dschapin
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To: dschapin

Sorry, my last post should have said “hadn’t been serious about enforcing immigration laws for many years:


50 posted on 10/19/2007 1:52:23 PM PDT by dschapin
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To: Psycho_Bunny
There’s a hundred heartbreaks when you uphold the law, but a million when you don’t.

Amen! People think I'm a jerk when I say I support detaining/arresting families of illegals, including the children, but we can't afford to not do something - it's bad enough we have a President who doesn't believe in border security (or is it that the "compassionate conservative" garbage is simply another way of saying "open borders and amnest"). It's even worse if we just let these people off the hook.
51 posted on 10/19/2007 1:54:03 PM PDT by af_vet_rr
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To: JRochelle
Just to clarify things, there are no warrents issued if you pay your ticket.

Sorry but that is the attitude so many of the illegals have. I am owed something. I don’t have to pay the fines.

Well thats just not how this country works.


In Florida, you have an option to pay your fine by peforming community service. He showed up. Did the work. But somewhere, the paperwork was screwed up.
52 posted on 10/19/2007 1:54:38 PM PDT by BillCompton
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To: BillCompton

Since the authorities now know he is illegal and are going to deport him, are they also going to deport his parents and any other siblings, aunts, uncles, cousins, etc.?


53 posted on 10/19/2007 1:54:41 PM PDT by YellowRoseofTx
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To: BillCompton
But at least have the moral fiber to explain in what moral universe this boy deserves this mess. If you can answer by 8:30 PM tonight, I would appreciate it.

He does not deserve to be a Mexican any more than I deserve to be an American. It is an accident of our birth.

The goal of public policy cannot be that everybody gets what he deserves. It is inevitable in any policy that many people will get what they do not deserve and many other people will be dealt an injustice. The important thing to consider is if the public policy makes sense on a societal level, not on an individual level.

Borders serve a function. Citizenship serves a function. As such, we must have borders and we must have citizenship. This means we must also have deportation, or the borders and citizenship are meaningless and the public good is not served.

Does Salvador deserve it? Maybe, maybe not. Probably not.

Does that matter? No.

55 posted on 10/19/2007 1:55:25 PM PDT by gridlock (ELIMINATE PERVERSE INCENTIVES)
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To: Altura Ct.

Amazing and horrifying.


56 posted on 10/19/2007 1:57:58 PM PDT by puroresu (Enjoy ASIAN CINEMA? See my Freeper page for recommendations (updated!).)
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To: BillCompton

So MS-13 gets to stay because of your boy?


57 posted on 10/19/2007 1:57:59 PM PDT by 359Henrie (38 million illegals create a big carbon footprint. The real inconvenient truth.)
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To: dschapin
So, in the end we do need to stop illegal immigration but I don’t think that you can really (morally) blame those illegal immigrants who have come here to work hard - The criminals and people who come for social services are a completely different matter.

What kind of logic is that? It is not a matter of "blame," but of enforcing our laws. This "I'm depraved because I am deprived" mentality to excuse lawbreakers is what has allowed 12 to 20 million people to enter this country illegally and stay and work here. There has to be some personal accountability. And we need to start enforcing our laws and controlling our borders.

Are you suggesting that we have some sort of screening process allowing illegal aliens who work hard to stay here and deport the rest?

58 posted on 10/19/2007 1:58:44 PM PDT by kabar
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To: BillCompton

$35,000 a year. 2000 hours in an average work year ( 40 hour work week ).

35,000 / 2000 = 17.50 an hour. I do not know many companies that pay that much to persons who have not graduated high school and under 18 years of age regardless the job. It surmises that if he worked part time he had to make more hourly which I doubt or if he worked more than 40 a week when did he go to school, homework, sleep etc...?

My point was I wish my kids could make this miraculous $35,000 a year so I could keep some of my own money. If that was possible you’d see a larger drop out rate in high schools.

You may not be lying in which case you have been duped by a con artist better check the silverware drawer.

Either way he should be in Mexico manana.


59 posted on 10/19/2007 1:59:27 PM PDT by Resolute Conservative
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To: BillCompton
You will get no sympathy here; hearts have gotten very hard over this issue, in my observation.

Besides the human cost, I just wish that people would stop and think that if the U.S. ever were to try to deport the millions of Salvadors, the spectacle would cause widespread revulsion. Who would vote for such people in the future?

And at the same time there are still illegal alien felons sitting in the jails of my county and state that ICE refuses to deal with because they are "too busy" and have to "prioritize." Come to think of it, it's a lot easier to deal with a basically law abiding guy like a Salvador, than a real criminal.

60 posted on 10/19/2007 1:59:31 PM PDT by colorado tanker (I'm unmoderated - just ask Bill O'Reilly)
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