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Florida GOP excludes Alan Keyes from Orlando debate
alankeyes.com ^ | 19 October 2007

Posted on 10/19/2007 3:48:29 PM PDT by CounterCounterCulture

Florida GOP excludes Alan Keyes from Orlando debate

Uses non-existent polling data as requirement

October 19, 2007

Des Moines, IA — In what he called "a major abuse of the electoral process," former Reagan administration diplomat and long-time national conservative activist Alan Keyes has been blocked by the Florida GOP from participating in Sunday's Fox News presidential debate in Orlando.

The Florida party used a 1% or better showing in polls from three of six polling firms as their criterion for inclusion in the event, even though none of the selected polling firms included Keyes, the latest entry in the presidential race, in any of their statewide surveys to date.

However, had Keyes been included in these polls, objective observers — including staff of some of the polling firms in question — agreed, based on past electoral performance in Florida, and on current polling that is taking place in other states, that he would have received a percentage meeting or exceeding the threshold.

In 2000, in the last contested GOP presidential primary, 32,354 — or nearly five percent — of Florida Republicans, and about one million voters nationwide, cast their vote for Keyes. He was included in the Values Voter Debate in Fort Lauderdale last month, after only three days in the race. In the post-debate straw poll, Keyes surpassed all the other candidates in the GOP field except Mike Huckabee and Ron Paul.

The Des Moines Register's Iowa Poll, the most-recognized media measure in the first-in-the-nation caucus state, was released during the time period in question, showing Keyes at 2% after only two weeks in the race, equaling or surpassing several long-time GOP candidates, all of whom received invitations to the Orlando debate.

When asked about his exclusion from Sunday's debate on the Adam McMannus radio program Wednesday, Ambassador Keyes said, "Rather than thinking about what they should be doing to make sure that voters are informed and able to get a clear idea of the choices available to them, [some party officials] are doing their best, I think, to make sure that articulation of the kind of conservatism that corresponds to what is on the heart and mind of most grassroots Republicans is not there."

In later comments, Keyes asked, "Why such an effort to assure that the so-called top-tier candidates don't have to face me? Do they fear me because they're not good enough for the job that needs to be done, or because they don't represent the conscience and heart of the Republican Party or of the American people?"

To register your opinion concerning Dr. Keyes' exclusion from this debate, call the Florida Republican Party and Chairman Jim Greer at 850-222-7920, send a fax to 850-681-2063, or email the party using the form at www.rpof.org/contact.php

You can learn more about Alan Keyes at www.AlanKeyes.com


TOPICS: News/Current Events; Politics/Elections; US: Florida
KEYWORDS: alankeyes; debate; elections; exclusion; florida; keyes; keyes2008; orlando; patpaulsen; stalejokes
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1 posted on 10/19/2007 3:48:37 PM PDT by CounterCounterCulture
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To: EternalVigilance

courtesy ping

(I know you’re already aware)


2 posted on 10/19/2007 3:51:37 PM PDT by CounterCounterCulture
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To: CounterCounterCulture

The debates should start excluding the bottom dwellers: Paul, Tancredo, & Hunter.

The debate should include Giuliani, Thompson, Romney, McCain and Huckabee only.


3 posted on 10/19/2007 3:54:09 PM PDT by finnman69 (cum puella incedit minore medio corpore sub quo manifestu s globus, inflammare animos)
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To: CounterCounterCulture

Perhaps Keyes should move to Florida.


4 posted on 10/19/2007 3:55:22 PM PDT by trumandogz (Hunter Thompson 2008)
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To: CounterCounterCulture
Keyes needs to kick it up a notch.

Can't just show up and claim a spot without doing the hard business of campaigning.

5 posted on 10/19/2007 3:56:39 PM PDT by Rome2000 (Peace is not an option)
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To: CounterCounterCulture; EternalVigilance; All
Florida GOP excludes Alan Keyes from Orlando debate

Good! :)

6 posted on 10/19/2007 3:56:50 PM PDT by EveningStar
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To: CounterCounterCulture
Alan Keyes has a long and storied history of racial hypersensitivity, blaming his inability to win a political contest – against anyone, anywhere, for anything – on a purportedly “racist” media. “The Man” has proven exceptionally successful at keeping Keyes down, causing voters in two states to reject his three races for U.S. Senate by progressively larger margins. Somehow, the vox populi expressed in those returns convinced Keyes to make two ludicrous bids for president of the United States.

KEYES TO THE HIGHWAY

7 posted on 10/19/2007 3:57:20 PM PDT by Extremely Extreme Extremist ("Just 3 hours a day with Rudy Guiliani is all I ask" -- Sean Hannity is on!)
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To: finnman69

While I am somewhat sympathetic to your view on this, I have to say that these folks could all use a good does of Hunter right up to the primaries. He’s the best guy in the race even if he doesn’t have the name recognition or the votes to get him to the White House.

The more exposure he gets this time around, the better for the party in general. We need more voices like his, not to silence them.

Sorry to be so contrarian on that one point.


8 posted on 10/19/2007 3:57:25 PM PDT by DoughtyOne (Hillary has pay fever. There she goes now... "Ha Hsu, ha hsu, haaaa hsu, ha hsu...")
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9 posted on 10/19/2007 3:59:28 PM PDT by EveningStar
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To: finnman69
The debates should start excluding the bottom dwellers: Paul, Tancredo, & Hunter.

Who died and made you the debate moderator?

Paul has more cash on hand & support than McCain and Huckabee. He has more money than even Romney if you don't count the money Romney has loaned to his campaign.

Paul is technically a front-runner and deserves just as much time as Fred and Rudy does. Hunter and Tancredo should remain too.

10 posted on 10/19/2007 4:00:49 PM PDT by Extremely Extreme Extremist ("Just 3 hours a day with Rudy Guiliani is all I ask" -- Sean Hannity is on!)
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To: DoughtyOne

Hunter has my vote! You don’t have to apologize for supporting the best candidate.


11 posted on 10/19/2007 4:01:57 PM PDT by FR_addict
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To: DoughtyOne

Hunter has my vote! You don’t have to apologize for supporting the best candidate.


12 posted on 10/19/2007 4:02:14 PM PDT by FR_addict
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To: DoughtyOne

Hunter has my vote! You don’t have to apologize for supporting the best candidate.


13 posted on 10/19/2007 4:02:22 PM PDT by FR_addict
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To: finnman69
If that were the case, I wouldn't bother to watch another one!

I watch them for Hunter!

14 posted on 10/19/2007 4:03:22 PM PDT by Guenevere (Duncan Hunter...President '08)
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To: finnman69
The debate should include Giuliani, Thompson, Romney, McCain and Huckabee only.

fixed

15 posted on 10/19/2007 4:03:33 PM PDT by EveningStar
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To: CounterCounterCulture

Didn’t Keyes picket a debate in 1996? Maybe he should do the same here. But Keyes wasn’t the only one left off the polling data I’m sure. Aren’t there other candidates seeking the nomination that weren’t on the poll list? Keyes should have entered the fray a few months earlier so he could have been included in the poll data and maybe he’d have been at the 1% threshold. Wasn’t he excluded from some other event earlier because he hadn’t entered the fray by a specified time. Seems everyone is out to get the Keyes fellar, poor thing.


16 posted on 10/19/2007 4:04:53 PM PDT by deport (>>>--Iowa Caucuses .. 76 days and counting--<<< [ Meanwhile:-- Cue Spooky Music--])
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To: EveningStar

fixed


LOL....... However I think all the debates should include that Paul fellar just so the public can see what we don’t need.


17 posted on 10/19/2007 4:09:35 PM PDT by deport (>>>--Iowa Caucuses .. 76 days and counting--<<< [ Meanwhile:-- Cue Spooky Music--])
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To: Extremely Extreme Extremist; finnman69
Paul is technically a front-runner

ROFLMAO! Yeah. Right.

18 posted on 10/19/2007 4:09:44 PM PDT by EveningStar
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To: Extremely Extreme Extremist

Some people can’t compete in the arena of ideas so they have to cut out candidates who threaten their little dog-n-pony show. Empty suits get away with more rhetoric when there aren’t those to challenge them.


19 posted on 10/19/2007 4:10:28 PM PDT by CounterCounterCulture
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To: CounterCounterCulture
I enjoy having Alan Keyes along to spark up the debates, but he’s flat wrong to complain about not being included. With no rules at all, they’d have to invite Jumpin’ Jim Jeffords.
20 posted on 10/19/2007 4:12:15 PM PDT by vetsvette (Bring Him Back)
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To: deport

Yes, he was excluded and protested in 1996. Didn’t have that problem in 2000, but it looks like 1996 all over again (Dole II foreshadowing?)


21 posted on 10/19/2007 4:12:49 PM PDT by CounterCounterCulture
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To: finnman69
The debates should start excluding the bottom dwellers: Paul, Tancredo, & Hunter.

That's where I've been for a long time.

And I didn't even know Keyes was a candidate. Keyes views are great but he probably will not be elected to much of anything because of his sanctimonious attitute which even bugs me.

22 posted on 10/19/2007 4:13:12 PM PDT by plain talk
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To: EveningStar
The debates without those four men were more engaging and substantive.
23 posted on 10/19/2007 4:15:59 PM PDT by CounterCounterCulture (Hunter / Keyes '08)
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To: deport
Didn’t Keyes picket a debate in 1996?

Worse than that.

FR thread

24 posted on 10/19/2007 4:17:43 PM PDT by EveningStar
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To: EveningStar
ROFLMAO! Yeah. Right.

His campaign just gave a press conference at the National Press Club on Wednesday and laid out the facts why Paul is a front-runner. He has more cash on hand than all of the other GOP candidates aside from Fred and Rudy combined. He technically has more money than Mitt if you don't count the money Mitt has loaned himself. He is only several hundred-thousand dollars away from Fred's cash on hand. Paul's campaign has zero debt.

He's the only GOP candidate who is seeing an increase in donations and supporters after each quarter. It's quite possible that he can reach $20 million for the 4Q with the holiday blitz and the anticipation of the primaries being held in January. And keep in mind that all of his money are not allocated for the general election like Rudy or Romney's funds. You can laugh but if he isn't a front-runner considering the donations he raised, then he's damn sure ain't no "fringe", "bottom-rung" or "low in the polls" candidate either.

25 posted on 10/19/2007 4:17:55 PM PDT by Extremely Extreme Extremist ("Just 3 hours a day with Rudy Guiliani is all I ask" -- Sean Hannity is on!)
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To: CounterCounterCulture

All the FL GOP wants Giuliani anyway, even though most of the voters don’t.


26 posted on 10/19/2007 4:19:35 PM PDT by darkangel82 (All right! Let's go Tribe!!)
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To: CounterCounterCulture
Some people can’t compete in the arena of ideas so they have to cut out candidates who threaten their little dog-n-pony show. Empty suits get away with more rhetoric when there aren’t those to challenge them.

CCC, I agree with you but you know that Keyes simply isn't viable as a presidential candidate. Now he's ran in 5 races (3 Senate and 2 Presidential) and lost all of them. Ironically, if he had not have ran for elective office, he'd be in a high-ranking position right now, such as Secretary of State or heading the RNC.

27 posted on 10/19/2007 4:20:53 PM PDT by Extremely Extreme Extremist ("Just 3 hours a day with Rudy Guiliani is all I ask" -- Sean Hannity is on!)
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To: Extremely Extreme Extremist

>> Paul is technically a front-runner and deserves just as much time as Fred and Rudy does.

Huh? Technically a frontrunner? Under what technical definition?

Here is a list of the most recent polling data on Ron Paul (for October 12th-14th).

- CNN has Paul 7th with 2% ... margin of error of 5%. (beating Tancredo and Brownback)
- Gallup has Paul 6th with 5% (beating Hunter, Tancredo and Brownback) ... margin of error of 5%.
- Reuters has Paul at 6th with 3% ... MOA 5%. (beating Hunter, Tancredo, Brownback).
- American Reasearch Group has Paul 7th with 2% (beating Tancredo and Brownback)
- FoxNews has Paul 7th with 2% ... moa 5% (beating Hunter and Tancredo ... LOSING to Brownback).
- NBC has Paul 6th with 2%.
- ABCNews has Paul 7th with 3%.

In each of these cases, Paul is 6th or 7th in a field of 9 or 10 candidates (depending on whether Keyes or Gingrich is included). Mike Huckabee is polling at double or triple the support of Ron Paul. Thompson and Giuliani, the true frontrunners, are polling at 5 to 10 TIMES the support of Ron Paul.

He’s not polling above the margin of error in ANY poll ... and he’s not close to any of the true frontrunners. Ron Paul’s not even polling in the top 2/3 of Republican candidates. He is simply not a frontrunner under any reasonable definition of the term.

H


28 posted on 10/19/2007 4:30:52 PM PDT by SnakeDoctor (How 'Bout Them Cowboys!!!)
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To: CounterCounterCulture
Pretty stupid to exclude Dr. Keyes, the dems will use this to claim racism by GOP

You know "party of white people" disenfranchising the African American not only at the polling booth but in the debates.

29 posted on 10/19/2007 4:31:56 PM PDT by Popman
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To: CounterCounterCulture; deport
Yes, he was excluded and protested in 1996. Didn’t have that problem in 2000...

He had different problems in 2000.

30 posted on 10/19/2007 4:35:45 PM PDT by EveningStar
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To: EveningStar
Keyes: Hunger strike and Hand Cuffs
31 posted on 10/19/2007 4:36:24 PM PDT by deport (>>>--Iowa Caucuses .. 76 days and counting--<<< [ Meanwhile:-- Cue Spooky Music--])
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To: Hemorrhage
A few things you should consider -

(A) MSM polls purposefully excludes Paul's name from most polling questionnaires

(B) They are polling the same registered Republicans who voted in the 2004 elections...

(C) Many of Paul's supporters are newcomers in politics or they're independents, so they're not polled.

(D) MSM still uses landline phones for polling - Most of Paul's supporters have cellphones. Read what the Centers for Disease Control had to say about polls, they're frustrated because everyone has cell phones and they have a hard time gathering polling data for their statistics because of it.

(E) Who determines what makes a poll "scientific" anyway? So internet & text-message polls are not objective but the ones that call people during dinner with loaded questions are? Do you know that on Internet polls you can only vote once per ISP address, and that Paul has always been ahead in these polls?

32 posted on 10/19/2007 4:38:31 PM PDT by Extremely Extreme Extremist ("Just 3 hours a day with Rudy Guiliani is all I ask" -- Sean Hannity is on!)
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To: CounterCounterCulture

>>> The debate should include Giuliani, Thompson, Romney, McCain

>> The debates without those four men were more engaging and substantive.

I am sure BOTH viewers would agree.

Why would anyone watch a debate between a half-dozen candidates with a cumulative 9% support among GOP voters?

It might be more engaging because it felt like the candidates were talking directly to you ... but that might be due to the fact that the candidates are talking ONLY to you.

Personally, I don’t care much for meaningless political posturing. The top 5 candidates are the only ones with meaningful answers anymore ... none of the others are having any effect whatsoever, and they’re generally wasting my time.

H


33 posted on 10/19/2007 4:41:08 PM PDT by SnakeDoctor (How 'Bout Them Cowboys!!!)
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To: deport

I remember this event when it happened. It was taped and shown quite a few times. IIRC, Keyes at one point shouted to a cop, “Get your hands off me!”


34 posted on 10/19/2007 4:43:07 PM PDT by EveningStar
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To: EveningStar

Problem of what, being criticized by an ex-Commie with remaining leftist tendencies? Pfft.

Horowitz is good for exposing the Communist agenda and mindset, but his opinions on how the Republican Party should run is a recipe for disaster.


35 posted on 10/19/2007 4:43:51 PM PDT by CounterCounterCulture (Hunter / Keyes '08)
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To: finnman69

You sound like those in the mainstream, not wanting to hear a debate of ideas but want the warm fuzzy feeling of having a real politician in office. You must work for the media.


36 posted on 10/19/2007 4:45:20 PM PDT by Craigswatch (The truth hurts, but you need to know it.)
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To: finnman69

You sound like those in the mainstream, not wanting to hear a debate of ideas but want the warm fuzzy feeling of having a real politician in office. You must work for the media.


37 posted on 10/19/2007 4:45:46 PM PDT by Craigswatch (The truth hurts, but you need to know it.)
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To: Hemorrhage
No, talking about constitutional rights, principles, and liberties is engaging to me. I understand the ignorant masses may not be as engaged, and that is there problem, which of course their ignorance affects us all by how they vote.

Watch me yawn as the so-called top tier try to explain their flip-flops for the umteenth time. They are the ones wasting my time.

38 posted on 10/19/2007 4:52:16 PM PDT by CounterCounterCulture (Hunter / Keyes '08)
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To: finnman69

Huckabee should be out.

McCain should be out.


39 posted on 10/19/2007 4:53:04 PM PDT by longtermmemmory (VOTE! http://www.senate.gov and http://www.house.gov)
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To: Craigswatch; finnman69

The vanity candidates have already had several “debates” to get their ideas out in front of the public. Fine. They served their purpose. Now I’m glad they’re finally starting to drop out. So far, Gilmore, Tommy Thompson, and Brownback have left. Huckabee, Hunter, Tancredo, and Paul need to follow suit. Keyes was never in it to begin with.


40 posted on 10/19/2007 4:55:13 PM PDT by EveningStar
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To: CounterCounterCulture

The folks on this thread don’t have a clue what is actually going on. Their political process, their country, is being stolen and they don’t even know it, or much care.

The Soviet Union had elections, after all. Only thing is, the choices were predetermined by the elites. The field was winnowed by the Politburo, not by the people.

Here’s a fact, one that will come out in the days just ahead: The political director at NBC has more power over the Republican nominating process than any FReeper.

Mitt Romney’s money, and that of his moneyed clique, means more than the untiring efforts of a legion of grassroots citizens.

Much more to follow...


41 posted on 10/19/2007 5:08:15 PM PDT by EternalVigilance (With "Republicans" like this, who needs Democrats?)
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To: EveningStar

42 posted on 10/19/2007 5:08:29 PM PDT by deport (>>>--Iowa Caucuses .. 76 days and counting--<<< [ Meanwhile:-- Cue Spooky Music--])
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To: Extremely Extreme Extremist

Even before I address your points ... I’ve got to say these are pretty weak justifications for calling Ron Paul a “frontrunner”. You disbelieve polling data ... but have brought no actual evidence that Ron Paul’s popularity rivals the true frontrunners.

>> (A) MSM polls purposefully excludes Paul’s name from most polling questionnaires.

Not according to the questionnaires I saw. He’s on there ... nobody’s choosing him.

>> (B) They are polling the same registered Republicans who voted in the 2004 elections...

Actually ... they call randomly and ask whether the person answering the phone is likely to vote in the 2008 primary. It has nothing to do with who voted in the 2004 elections. My father was polled by Rasmussen just a couple of weeks ago.

>> (C) Many of Paul’s supporters are newcomers in politics or they’re independents, so they’re not polled.

They’re polled to the extent that the (1) own a telephone, and (2) answer that they’re likely to vote in the 2008 Republican Primary.

>> (D) MSM still uses landline phones for polling - Most of Paul’s supporters have cellphones. Read what the Centers for Disease Control had to say about polls, they’re frustrated because everyone has cell phones and they have a hard time gathering polling data for their statistics because of it.

This is nothing more than a wild-ass-guess on your part. Ron Paul supporters wouldn’t be particularly more likely than non-Paul supporters to be phoneless. Everybody has a cellular phone these days ... Paul and non-Paul supporters alike. I’ve seen no evidence that this has had any effect on these polls.

>> (E) Who determines what makes a poll “scientific” anyway?

Statisticians. Statistics determine the reliablility of polling data. You may disbelieve polling data if you choose, though you’ve offered no partiuclar evidence outside of random guesses that these polls are inaccurate.

Additionally - you’ve got no actual evidence that Ron Paul’s support exceeds that which is suggested by the data. You merely surmise that since you sense imperfections in the polls, those imperfections MUST be hurting Paul’s numbers. Truthfully, however, if you are ENTIRELY right about the imperfections of the data ... it remains likely that Ron Paul’s support is virtually imperceptible.

>> So internet & text-message polls are not objective but the ones that call people during dinner with loaded questions are?

Yes. Unless you can actually show me loaded questions that are biasing responses against Paul - I’ve got no reason to disbelieve scientific polling and rely on unscientific polling (actually, I’d still have no reason to rely on unscientific polling).

>> Do you know that on Internet polls you can only vote once per ISP address, and that Paul has always been ahead in these polls?

Assuming you are correct (though I am unconvinced that you are), and multiple votes are not recorded in online polls ... you’ve still got a HUGE problem with sample randomness. Paul supporters can crash an online/text poll in enormous numbers, and still be statistically insignificant with regard to the overall electorate. Most voters don’t participate in online or text polls, and it appears that Paul supporters participate at a heavier pace than non-Paul supporters ... thus, Paul comes out WAY ahead when the poll isn’t randomized, but still remains at 2% when polls are truly random.

It seems odd that you believe online polling, but not actual statistically significant polling. A convenient position considering that your candidate of choice does well in unscientific polling, but HORRIBLY once the polling sample is randomized. That’s comparable to those that believed John Kerry’s exit poll numbers over the actual vote counts in 2004. Its wishful thinking, and entirely nonsensical.

H


43 posted on 10/19/2007 5:10:01 PM PDT by SnakeDoctor (How 'Bout Them Cowboys!!!)
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To: CounterCounterCulture
Yes, he was excluded and protested in 1996. Didn’t have that problem in 2000, but it looks like 1996 all over again (Dole II foreshadowing?)

Wow... I have been thinking the exact same thing... Everyone keeps talking about a 3rd party ala Perot stealing this election for Clinton.. but that was 1992 and we had a weak incumbent.

This whole thing feels like 1996 where we get to choose between liars and uninspiring old white guys. Sometimes I think we're just collectively stupid.

44 posted on 10/19/2007 5:12:31 PM PDT by RachelFaith (Doing NOTHING... about the illegals already here IS Amnesty !!)
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To: finnman69
The debate should include Giuliani, Thompson, Romney, McCain and Huckabee only.

Based on their experience, their record, and their long adherence to the principles in the Republican platform?

Or based on Democrat Media acceptance, dollars, lying polls, and the approval of self-appointed gatekeepers?

What gives you the right to make such decisions on behalf of the American people?

45 posted on 10/19/2007 5:12:40 PM PDT by EternalVigilance (With "Republicans" like this, who needs Democrats?)
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To: CounterCounterCulture
To register your opinion concerning Dr. Keyes' exclusion from this debate, call the Florida Republican Party and Chairman Jim Greer at 850-222-7920, send a fax to 850-681-2063, or email the party using the form at www.rpof.org/contact.php

Thanks for the info! I sent a fax and an email to the Florida Republican Party to thank them for excluding Dr. Keyes. I went a little further and let them know I would've been even more appreciative had they restricted the debate to only those candidates polling above 10%.

46 posted on 10/19/2007 5:22:36 PM PDT by lonevoice (It's always "Apologize to a Muslim Hour"...somewhere)
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To: CounterCounterCulture

Crap, there goes Alan’s salary for six months.


47 posted on 10/19/2007 5:22:44 PM PDT by Bob J (sis)
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To: darkangel82

Lest we forget this is the same Fl GOP that gave us gov light loafers, Sen mel no brain, was against Ms. Harris, and propped up Foley and others. They think the mayor will go over big with the condo commando’s but that won’t happen.


48 posted on 10/19/2007 5:25:16 PM PDT by scottteng (Proud parent of a Star scout.)
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To: Hemorrhage
Not according to the questionnaires I saw. He’s on there ... nobody’s choosing him.

Please explain why Paul has won most straw polls and Internet polls but somehow continually places at the bottom in traditional polls? Also explain why there is always a large percentage that vote "undecided" in these polls. I don't know what polls you're looking at, but Paul's name (and the same for Hunter & Tancredo) isn't even on these polls.

Actually ... they call randomly and ask whether the person answering the phone is likely to vote in the 2008 primary. It has nothing to do with who voted in the 2004 elections. My father was polled by Rasmussen just a couple of weeks ago.

Actually....my ass. The big polling firms such as Gallup & the networks/newspapers only poll registered or likely voters. Since Paul's supporters are NOT registered and never voted, they're not going to get polled. Your father was a rare exception.

They’re polled to the extent that the (1) own a telephone, and (2) answer that they’re likely to vote in the 2008 Republican Primary.

They're not calling the cellphones there buddy. They are only calling landline phones and most people do not answer or use their landline phone. Paul's supporters are affluent yuppies and suburban types who only use their cellphones. So the poll results are flawed to the point of inaccuracy.

This is nothing more than a wild-ass-guess on your part.

POLLSTERS BEGINNING TO COUNT CELL PHONE USERS

CELLPHONES AND POLITICAL SURVEYS, PART I

Statisticians. Statistics determine the reliablility of polling data. You may disbelieve polling data if you choose, though you’ve offered no partiuclar evidence outside of random guesses that these polls are inaccurate.

Can statisticians determine why one set of polls wrong but the other is right? You would get a more accurate poll if more people participated in an open internet poll rather than a poll that calls people and half the time get hung up on or doesn't get an answer.

So that $5.3 million Paul raised last quarter? The volunteers donating their time and money to Paul? (The other GOP candidates do not have this type of grassroots support) So how is Paul staying in the race then?

49 posted on 10/19/2007 5:33:02 PM PDT by Extremely Extreme Extremist ("Just 3 hours a day with Rudy Guiliani is all I ask" -- Sean Hannity is on!)
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To: Bob J

Crap, there goes another voice for our Constitutional rights and civil liberties being silenced by the anointed gatekeepers.


50 posted on 10/19/2007 5:34:30 PM PDT by CounterCounterCulture (Hunter / Keyes '08)
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