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Is Hillary Beatable?
Self | 10-18-07 | Self

Posted on 10/19/2007 10:42:17 PM PDT by Nat Turner

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To: Nat Turner

There are those who believe that Hillary may have problems getting nominated at the DNC Convention .There is a large crowd of folks that are just tired of the Clintons . A crowd that despises them . A Crowd that Hates them . The DNC is well aware that she could make more red states than Kerry . Those delegates at the convention will act accordingly .


41 posted on 10/20/2007 6:28:07 AM PDT by Haze Grey Forever (Haze Grey Forever)
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To: decal
Remember how we were told how shrewd the Dems were in nominating the junior Senator from Massachusetts because he was a Vietnam veteran and therefore above reproach?

I remember. Kerry was the most liberal senator from the most liberal state in America. He had a lackluster legislative record, no charisma, a loony wife, and enough personal baggage to sink a ship. He was running against an incumbent wartime president in good economic times. Instead of a landslide by Bush, we got another cliff hanger with Kerry getting the second most number of votes of any presidental candidate in history and 251 electoral votes. If it wasn't for the SBVFT, Kerry would have been elected. Rove ran a terrible campaign.

Don't fool yourself. This will be a very close election regardless. When you go state by state, Hillary will start with CA, NY, IL, MA, NJ, WA, OR, MI, MAINE, VT, RI, CT, MD, DC, DE, and HI. PA and NH will be leaning in her direction and OH, WI, IA, and NM will be battleground states. Even such states as NV, CO, and AZ could figure into the equation.

Hillary has more money than Kerry did and will have more than any Rep running against her. She will also have the best political organization [Carville, Begalla, Podesta, etc.] and a fawning, supportive MSM. It will take an allout effort to defeat her. She can be beaten, but it won't be easy and the Rep won't win in a landslide.

42 posted on 10/20/2007 6:41:49 AM PDT by kabar
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To: investigateworld
Whatever group is running the present occupant in the White House wants her and that's all that matters.

In some instances, it's very obvious.

43 posted on 10/20/2007 6:47:23 AM PDT by varon (Allegiance to the constitution, always. Allegiance to a political party, never.)
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To: Nat Turner

Northeastern democrat liberals do not win (ask Dukakis and Kerry). And every president has been a white Christian male (only one Catholic, Kennedy) and the Republicans will nominate a white, Christian male (and not Romney). When a woman entered the fray one time (Ferraro) it was a disaster for democrats. It’s true anything can and does happen in American politics but if the vote is fair and there is not widespread fraud, then Hiliary will lose the general election. Men will vote strongly against her and if you know anything about women, you will find that many do not like other women and would sooner vote for a man. So while more women will vote for Hiliary than men will, her support from women will not be as strong as she needs to win. I do not see a landslide win for Republicans because states like New York and California will go democrat even if they nominate a pumpkin for president, but I think a stronger Republican win than what happened against Kerry is the most likely scenario.


44 posted on 10/20/2007 7:27:10 AM PDT by Contra
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To: kabar
Bushes biggest fault is his new tone and low key. He has spent more time "building consensus" with our domestic enemies and I think the 06 elections were a reaction to that not the slow progress in Iraq. The base is very educated on the issues and they are VERY tired of being taken for granted.

All we need is one red-blooded red meat conservative that will take the fight to the left as our heroes in the new media do. We need to listening to the pundits that praise the so-called moderates of the mushy middle. That losing strategy plays only to the neo-stalinists.

We need to start straight talking the perils of socialized medicine, illegal immigration, big government, high taxes and sucky schools(my personal pet peeve). I'm not saying we need to run RUSH, but it would be nice if some candidates got a clue and picked up his talking points.

45 posted on 10/20/2007 7:30:43 AM PDT by Nat Turner (Proud two term solider in the 2nd Infantry Div 84-85; 91-92)
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To: kabar
Bush's biggest fault is his new tone and low key. He has spent more time "building consensus" with our domestic enemies and I think the 06 elections were a reaction to that not the slow progress in Iraq. The base is very educated on the issues and they are VERY tired of being taken for granted.

All we need is one red-blooded red meat conservative that will take the fight to the left as our heroes in the new media do. We need to STOP listening to the pundits that praise the so-called moderates of the mushy middle. That losing strategy plays only to the neo-stalinists.

We need to start straight talking the perils of socialized medicine, illegal immigration, big government, high taxes and sucky schools(my personal pet peeve). I'm not saying we need to run RUSH, but it would be nice if some candidates got a clue and picked up his talking points.

46 posted on 10/20/2007 7:35:36 AM PDT by Nat Turner (Proud two term solider in the 2nd Infantry Div 84-85; 91-92)
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To: Diana in Wisconsin
All the Kerry states plus Ohio = 274.

Don't be absurd - of course she can win.

47 posted on 10/20/2007 7:38:04 AM PDT by Jim Noble (Trails of trouble, roads of battle, paths of victory we shall walk.)
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To: Nat Turner
Bushes biggest fault is his new tone and low key. He has spent more time "building consensus" with our domestic enemies and I think the 06 elections were a reaction to that not the slow progress in Iraq. The base is very educated on the issues and they are VERY tired of being taken for granted.

All politics is local. Bush's big problem stems from his support of amnesty, CFR, and nominations like Harriet Miers. He is distancing himself from conservatives and most of the base of his party. When the WH starts calling conservatives "nativists" and "bigots" and supports the Dems on measures like comprehensive immigration reform against the majority of his own party, his political support is going to drop to historic low levels and it has. His appointment of Mel Martinez to head the RNC was a disaster.

All we need is one red-blooded red meat conservative that will take the fight to the left as our heroes in the new media do. We need to listening to the pundits that praise the so-called moderates of the mushy middle. That losing strategy plays only to the neo-stalinists.

I agree. Most Americans are on the right of the political spectrum. We need a candidate who is going to articulate those views.

48 posted on 10/20/2007 7:39:48 AM PDT by kabar
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To: Nat Turner

Can hillary be beaten?

Again?

The “ugly stick” already got her.


49 posted on 10/20/2007 7:41:26 AM PDT by bannie
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To: olezip
Overwhelmingly, the people don't want the shrew, but clintons cheat. We ALLOW them to cheat. I am, therefore, afraid for our children, our freedoms and our nation.
50 posted on 10/20/2007 7:45:23 AM PDT by bannie
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To: kabar
I remember. Kerry was the most liberal senator from the most liberal state in America. He had a lackluster legislative record, no charisma, a loony wife, and enough personal baggage to sink a ship. He was running against an incumbent wartime president in good economic times. Instead of a landslide by Bush, we got another cliff hanger with Kerry getting the second most number of votes of any presidental candidate in history and 251 electoral votes. If it wasn't for the SBVFT, Kerry would have been elected. Rove ran a terrible campaign.

Rove ran the only campaign he could run. He had to win Ohio, he knew it, and he did.

By implying to socons who were previous nonvoters that they would get what they wanted from the state (which was a lie), he's left behind a split party that can't win a national election to save it's life, but Karl's job was to get Bush reelected, and he did it.

You are quite correct to point out that 59 million Americans voted for a lightweight leftwing dipsh*t with no record of personal or professional accomplishment since he got his Yale acceptance letter. Those 59 million aren't Fred voters.

They're our future.

51 posted on 10/20/2007 7:46:02 AM PDT by Jim Noble (Trails of trouble, roads of battle, paths of victory we shall walk.)
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To: Nat Turner
Question: "Is Hillary Beatable?"

Response: No.

52 posted on 10/20/2007 7:51:03 AM PDT by AEMILIUS PAULUS (It is a shame that when these people give a riot)
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To: Nat Turner

Heck YES.


53 posted on 10/20/2007 7:53:23 AM PDT by tioga
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To: Nat Turner

I don’t think Rudy will pick Thompson as his running mate, that is if the former mayor wins the nod. I like the following as possible running mates for either Rudy or Thompson:

Bill Owens
John Kasich
Mark Sanford
Mike Huckabee


54 posted on 10/20/2007 7:53:53 AM PDT by moose2004 (You Can Run But You Can't Hide!)
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To: Nat Turner
IMHO, this two-bit crook and her used-car salesman of a husband will win only if Americans are comfortable enough, in front of their televisions and computers, in their SUV’s and swimming pools and country clubs, to let them win. The failure to hold these two publicly accountable for their outrageous treatment of us says more about Americans today than almost any other single public issue I can think of.
55 posted on 10/20/2007 7:54:45 AM PDT by mo
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To: Jim Noble
Rove ran the only campaign he could run. He had to win Ohio, he knew it, and he did.

The Kerry campaign effectively neutralized and intimidated the Bush campaign by going after his National Guard record and comparing it to Kerry's war hero status. This was a strategy that Kerry perfected against other opponents in previous campaigns against Reps. Rove was afraid to go after Kerry's anti-war activities. There were plenty of openings and vulnerablities for the GOP to attack Kerry, but Rove was fearful. Winning in Ohio was certainly key, but it was a desperate last gasp effort to win an election that should have been a cakewalk.

By implying to socons who were previous nonvoters that they would get what they wanted from the state (which was a lie), he's left behind a split party that can't win a national election to save it's life, but Karl's job was to get Bush reelected, and he did it.

Karl is a legend in his own mind. The Rep party is in shambles. We have lost control of Congress and 2008 portends even further losses. The WH made a terrible mistake in backing the Dems on comprehensive immigration reform. They torpedoed the Sensenbrenner bill and left Reps twisting slowly in the wind in 2006 on this issue. The Dem opponents just said that they supported the WH/McCain bill on comprehensive immigration reform.

56 posted on 10/20/2007 7:57:42 AM PDT by kabar
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To: Jim Noble

Well, I’m willing to wager if you are. Wisconsin aged cheddar cheese? Johnsonville brats? What ‘chu got? ;)

Even the Moonbats here in ‘The People’s Republic of Madistan’ won’t be voting for her. She’s too “moderate” for them! :)


57 posted on 10/20/2007 7:58:59 AM PDT by Diana in Wisconsin (Save The Earth. It's The Only Planet With Chocolate.)
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To: Nat Turner
I remember that both President Bush and Vice-President Cheney called Hillry formidable. WHY??? Neither of them have really exposed her unelected and unaccountable tenure as co-president, the closest we ever got to exposure was right in the midst of her Soviet style show trial call the 9/11 Commission.

It was Hillry Clinton, a very short time after 9/11 took to the Senate floor and screeched “What did Bush know and when did he know it?” Next thing we have some ‘untouchable’ widows demanding an investigation as to WHO was responsible for 9/11.

The general population were and are still clueless who represented Hillry on that Commission and all firey darts and arrows were after President Bush as the one who allowed 9/11 to happen.

There was one moment in that whole show that exposed a glimpse into what the Clintons style of governance was really about. When John Ashcroft exposed the WALL, imagine that liberals are really wall builder when it suits their personal political protection that prevented dots from getting connected.

Well there is nothing new going on here Hillry to this day is never exposed to be accountable for anything she says or does or has said or has done. Her WALLS are thicker and more complete than they have ever been. Example, why is it that to this day none of US have ever been told exactly what documents Sandy the Burglar was sent in to expunge from the hall of records? Even more puzzling how is it that there is NO outrage that Sandy the Burglar is now advising Hillry once again?

I fully expect that Hillry will be the nominee for that party of liars and deceivers, and she just might be the first woman president. One thing is for sure Hillry has made the image of woman one ugly image all for a self serving purpose.

58 posted on 10/20/2007 8:05:38 AM PDT by Just mythoughts
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To: Wage Slave

“My Bush-hating, atheist, limosine socialist, public school teacher sister and her know-it-all, Bush-hating, atheist, public school teacher daughter both say they won’t vote for Hillary.

To me that says she is beatable, barring overwhelming fraud.”

How about after months of image makeovers for HRC done free of charge by the MSM. Guest appearances on SNL, It takes a Village Special reports and heart tugging quasi-biographical made for TV movies about her? There will be endless photo ops of her doing whatever and being made to appear brilliant yet caring.

You can expect them to pull out the stops for Hillary. Don’t be over-confident.


59 posted on 10/20/2007 8:07:56 AM PDT by UnChained
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To: Nat Turner

Hillary won’t pick Obama as a VP. She needs a typical white male someone that she can control.


60 posted on 10/20/2007 8:09:27 AM PDT by MinorityRepublican
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