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Students protest campus gun ban
The Daily Collegian (PSU) ^ | October 23, 2007 | Lauren Boyer

Posted on 10/24/2007 11:40:02 AM PDT by neverdem

Nathaniel Sheetz doesn't care if you notice the empty gun holster strapped to his right hip this week.

That's the point, he said.

"People who carry concealed weapons go about their daily lives just like anyone else would," Sheetz (graduate-industrial engineering) said. "We are trying to show people that just because we might be carrying weapons, that wouldn't impact how we go about our business."

This week, college students throughout America, organized under Students for Concealed Carry on Campus, will attend classes wearing empty holsters, protesting campus policies that contradict legally, state-issued concealed weapon permits. Sheetz, who promoted this cause through Facebook, fliers and e-mails to campus groups, expects several dozen Penn State participants.

"I don't think it's fair for me to have to disarm on campus when I am allowed to carry a weapon in the grocery store, the movie theater, the shopping mall," said Sheetz, one of more than 500,000 Pennsylvanians registered to carry a concealed weapon. "I'd be violating a university policy and I could get suspended or expelled."

State-permitted students caught carrying weapons on campus are evaluated by Judicial Affairs, while students without state-issued permits risk arrest and criminal charges, said Tyrone Parham, assistant director of Penn State Police.

Penn State's university-wide SY12 policy prohibits students, faculty and visitors from wielding "instruments or implements, which are capable of inflicting serious bodily injury."

"It's basically prohibited on all university property except for authorized law enforcement officers," Parham said. "This does override any permit that is issued by the state of Pennsylvania."

Saying that "46 police officers can't be everywhere at once," Dave Wilson (sophomore-industrial engineering) joined in protest, believing revised policies on college campuses could prevent tragedies like the shooting on Virginia Tech's campus where a shooter killed 32 people and then himself.

"The funny thing is, state legislation says that you are allowed to have a weapon on school property for a lawful purpose, but doesn't specify what is a lawful purpose," Wilson said. "I definitely wouldn't want to be in a situation where I couldn't defend myself."

Not anticipating any policy changes, Parham said Penn State's dense population isn't conducive to guns, bows and arrows or any of the devices prohibited under SY12, adding that students like Wilson, a recreational shooter, can store weapons for "use in the surrounding community" in an Eisenhower parking deck facility.

"We think this would create more of a hazard if anyone could carry a firearm on campus," Parham said. "When you shoot the weapon, you have to be mindful of what's behind the person two miles down. What happens if you miss your target? Where does that round go?" Parham cited a spring 2007 incident on the HUB lawn a few weeks after the events at Virginia Tech.

"A student was dancing around drunk, and students noticed him having a concealed weapon strapped to his waistband," Parham said. "Obviously, weapons and alcohol do not mix."

He added that state permits are fairly easy to obtain for those older than 21 and don't mandate training on proper weapon usage or concealment.

"We have a police force that is trained in using a firearm if needed," he said. "That's the basic bottom line."

Despite university protection, Wilson said his participation in the "Empty Holster Protest" aims to promote self-defense, a cause he said he intends to bring to Penn State administrators once he is of legal age to obtain a state permit.

"We aren't trying to jam our beliefs down people's throats," he said. "This is a peaceful way to show that we are unable to provide protection for ourselves."


TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections; US: Pennsylvania
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Firearms trigger little talk despite their pull

Biden is preparing to introduce legislation to renew the assault weapons ban that was enacted under President Clinton and that expired in 2004.

Joe to the rescue! /sarc

1 posted on 10/24/2007 11:40:03 AM PDT by neverdem
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To: neverdem
SY12 policy prohibits students, faculty and visitors from wielding "instruments or implements, which are capable of inflicting serious bodily injury."

Are the students allowed to carry sharpened pencils?

2 posted on 10/24/2007 11:44:01 AM PDT by the_devils_advocate_666
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To: DaveLoneRanger

ping


3 posted on 10/24/2007 11:44:31 AM PDT by metmom (Welfare was never meant to be a career choice.)
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To: neverdem

‘Biden is preparing to introduce legislation to renew the assault weapons ban that was enacted under President Clinton and that expired in 2004.’

Rudy Guiliani would sign it if he were President.


4 posted on 10/24/2007 11:45:48 AM PDT by Badeye ('Ron Paul joined 88 Democrats.....")
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To: neverdem

They’ll be arrested for carrying gun paraphernalia.


5 posted on 10/24/2007 11:49:15 AM PDT by saganite
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To: neverdem
When you shoot the weapon, you have to be mindful of what's behind the person two miles down.

Another dumbass Liberal. 2 miles?????

"We have a police force that is trained in using a firearm if needed," he said. "That's the basic bottom line."

Ahhhh I see. A trained police force DOESN'T have to be "mindful of what's behind the person two miles down".

Schmuck...

6 posted on 10/24/2007 11:50:28 AM PDT by KenHorse (It may be the only purpose of your life is to serve as a warning to others)
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To: neverdem
"We have a police force that is trained in using a firearm if needed," he said.

And that's why we should have large numbers of private citizens who are also proficient in the use of firearms, and who own large numbers of them.

7 posted on 10/24/2007 12:05:18 PM PDT by Titus Quinctius Cincinnatus (Libertarianism is applied autism)
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To: the_devils_advocate_666

Is carrying the same as “wielding”?


8 posted on 10/24/2007 12:08:26 PM PDT by Tallguy (Climate is what you plan for, weather is what you get.)
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To: Badeye

Bush already said he would sign it if it came to his desk.


9 posted on 10/24/2007 12:10:38 PM PDT by stevio ((NRA))
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To: stevio

True, but that was then. Who knows what position he’ll have today.

He’d sign it, if it excluded illegal aliens....


10 posted on 10/24/2007 12:13:00 PM PDT by Badeye ('Ron Paul joined 88 Democrats.....")
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To: Badeye
‘Biden is preparing to introduce legislation to renew the assault weapons ban that was enacted under President Clinton and that expired in 2004.’

Rudy Guiliani would sign it if he were President.

But, but Rudy recently told the NRA that September 11, 2001 caused him to change his mind about gun control and the Second Amendment. Go figure. He didn't elaborate. Someone should have taken him to task, but I guess they were too dumbfounded or had too many libations.

11 posted on 10/24/2007 12:20:05 PM PDT by neverdem (Call talk radio. We need a Constitutional Amendment for Congressional term limits. Let's Roll!)
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To: the_devils_advocate_666

I guess Penn State’s baseball team is in trouble.


12 posted on 10/24/2007 12:25:42 PM PDT by lonerepubinma
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To: neverdem

I don’t buy it.


13 posted on 10/24/2007 12:27:24 PM PDT by Badeye ('Ron Paul joined 88 Democrats.....")
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To: Badeye
I don’t buy it.

Me neither, but my point in linking the story with Biden's plan was that these fools are ignoring their successful election tactic in 2006, i.e. avoid gun control.

Spitzer responds to ABC7 gun investigation [Gun Grabbers Gone Wild]

Check that link. IMHO, if the Second Amendment is an issue, I'm not too worried about 2008.

14 posted on 10/24/2007 1:02:56 PM PDT by neverdem (Call talk radio. We need a Constitutional Amendment for Congressional term limits. Let's Roll!)
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To: neverdem

‘IMHO, if the Second Amendment is an issue, I’m not too worried about 2008.’

Same view here, but the Democrats know it too.


15 posted on 10/24/2007 1:13:59 PM PDT by Badeye ('Ron Paul joined 88 Democrats.....")
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To: Badeye
Same view here, but the Democrats know it too.

The smart ones do, but the moonbats seem out of control, at least at the local level, and Biden's proposal is a gift.

16 posted on 10/24/2007 1:46:16 PM PDT by neverdem (Call talk radio. We need a Constitutional Amendment for Congressional term limits. Let's Roll!)
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To: neverdem
Have they been arrested yet for their nonexistent guns?
17 posted on 10/24/2007 1:50:53 PM PDT by pray4liberty (Watch and pray.)
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To: DaveLoneRanger

Surprising...! Here in Delaware they arrest teenagers for making a gun with their finger. A real threat they are, you know. :)


19 posted on 10/24/2007 3:04:43 PM PDT by pray4liberty (Watch and pray.)
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To: neverdem

I doubt Biden’s ploy will get out of committee, and if it does, I doubt it will pass.

Not given whats at stake next year, and how close it will be. That could lose the election cycle for them.


20 posted on 10/25/2007 6:47:49 AM PDT by Badeye ('Ron Paul joined 88 Democrats.....")
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