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Black Holes May Harbour Their Own Universes
New Scientist ^ | 10-31-2007 | Mason Inman

Posted on 10/31/2007 2:48:35 PM PDT by blam

Black holes may harbour their own universes

15:16 31 October 2007
NewScientist.com news service
Mason Inman

Black holes may contain whole universes inside them, according to a theory called loop quantum gravity (Illustration: XMM-Newton/ESA/NASA)

When matter gets swallowed by a black hole, it could fall into another universe contained inside the black hole, or get trapped inside a wormhole-like connection to a second black hole, a new study suggests.

What's inside a black hole is one of the biggest mysteries in physics. The theory that predicted black holes in the first place – general relativity – says that all the matter inside them gets squashed into a central point of infinite density called a singularity. But then, "things break down mathematically", says Christian Böhmer of University College London, in the UK. "We would like to see the singularity removed."

Many researchers believe that some kind of new, overarching theory that unites gravity and quantum effects will resolve the problem. String theory is the most popular of these alternatives.

But Böhmer and colleague Kevin Vandersloot of the University of Portsmouth in the UK use a rival approach called loop quantum gravity, which defines space-time as a network of abstract links that connect tiny chunks of space.

Loop quantum gravity has been used before to tackle the singularity that would seem to have occurred at the origin of our universe. It suggests that instead of a big bang, an earlier universe could have collapsed and then exploded outward again in a "big bounce".

Bizarre solutions

A similar repulsiveness appeared when the loop quantum approach was previously applied to the inside of a black hole with particular properties. Those studies suggested there was a repulsive boundary that blocked matter from clumping together in the singularity.

(Excerpt) Read more at space.newscientist.com ...


TOPICS: News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: black; holes; mapisnottheterrain; stringtheory; universes
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1 posted on 10/31/2007 2:48:37 PM PDT by blam
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To: blam

So we may actually have life in these parts??


2 posted on 10/31/2007 2:50:17 PM PDT by Perdogg (Elections have consequences.)
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To: blam

Some think our universe, AKA the universe, is the inside of a black hole.


3 posted on 10/31/2007 2:52:03 PM PDT by RightWhale (anti-razors are pro-life)
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To: Perdogg

Any volunteers to go check it out?


4 posted on 10/31/2007 2:52:25 PM PDT by ZeitgeistSurfer (Poets have been mysteriously silent on the subject of cheese.)
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To: ZeitgeistSurfer

In next 1,000 years, we might be able to do so.


5 posted on 10/31/2007 2:53:47 PM PDT by Perdogg (Elections have consequences.)
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To: blam

I have an entire galaxy contained inside a locket on a gold chain. Sometimes I let my cat Orion wear it just for kicks.


6 posted on 10/31/2007 2:53:49 PM PDT by reagan_fanatic (Ron Paul put the cuckoo in my Cocoa Puffs)
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To: reagan_fanatic

“Your skills don’t mean ***k” :)


7 posted on 10/31/2007 2:54:30 PM PDT by Perdogg (Elections have consequences.)
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To: blam

Deep Space 9

They controlled a wormhole, and there were ‘entities’ living inside.

Science fiction - as much science as fiction!


8 posted on 10/31/2007 2:54:56 PM PDT by airborne (Proud to be a conservative! Proud to support Duncan Hunter for President!)
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To: blam
“Black Holes May Harbour Their Own Universes”

Of course they do, what did they think was contained by black holes?

9 posted on 10/31/2007 2:55:13 PM PDT by vetsvette (Bring Him Back)
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To: RightWhale

So, each “universe” is the inside of another black hole, and on and on and on, like those boxes in novelty stores that fit inside each other sequentially until they are very small....


10 posted on 10/31/2007 2:57:10 PM PDT by Red Badger ( We don't have science, but we do have consensus.......)
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To: blam

Bump for later


11 posted on 10/31/2007 2:58:27 PM PDT by HeartlandOfAmerica (The way to stop discrimination on the basis of race is to stop discriminating on the basis of race.)
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To: vetsvette

But “our” universe is expanding. So, what is it expanding into?..................


12 posted on 10/31/2007 2:58:37 PM PDT by Red Badger ( We don't have science, but we do have consensus.......)
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To: blam

Some black holes do not contain universes. Washington, DC is an example.


13 posted on 10/31/2007 2:59:08 PM PDT by microgood
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To: blam

Interesting. I’m not a scientist but I did stay.....never mind.

I have to wonder though, IF our universe were to be contained in a black hole could an explanation spring forth from that assumption that would explain the apparent but not confirmed existence of dark matter?

Anyone? Bueller?


14 posted on 10/31/2007 3:00:18 PM PDT by American_Centurion (No, I don't trust the government to automatically do the right thing.)
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To: Red Badger

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15 posted on 10/31/2007 3:01:03 PM PDT by gun_supporter
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To: gun_supporter
oops
16 posted on 10/31/2007 3:01:34 PM PDT by gun_supporter
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To: Red Badger

Like those nested dolls they used to make in Russia. Could be a hundred billion or a trillion universes inside this universe and we can never make contact. Of course we can never make contact with the trillion universes inside of the great universe along with our own universe. It goes both up and down the scale forever, which is as far as we need to think about it: unlimited we can deal with; infinite we cannot—Kant, 1781.


17 posted on 10/31/2007 3:02:55 PM PDT by RightWhale (anti-razors are pro-life)
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To: Red Badger

“But “our” universe is expanding. So, what is it expanding into?..................”

Why, our universe, of course.


18 posted on 10/31/2007 3:02:56 PM PDT by vetsvette (Bring Him Back)
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To: Red Badger
what is it expanding into?

Look at the ordinary black hole. Is it expanding? Not really, but from inside it could have the illusion of expanding.

19 posted on 10/31/2007 3:05:34 PM PDT by RightWhale (anti-razors are pro-life)
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To: RightWhale

So what happens when a black hole falls into another black hole?..................


20 posted on 10/31/2007 3:05:58 PM PDT by Red Badger ( We don't have science, but we do have consensus.......)
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