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Trick or Treat (Fred Thompson on the 2nd Amendment)
The Shooting Wire ^ | October 31, 2007 | Jim Shepherd

Posted on 10/31/2007 9:01:36 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet

Last week, Sturm, Ruger & Company (NYSE: RGR) stock took a licking in the marketplace after Ruger officials admitted their revitalization plan wasn't quite on the rails the way they had envisioned. Yesterday, Smith & Wesson Holding Company (SWHC) received a similar spanking after earnings came in below analysts' expectations of 12 cents a share. Notice there were earnings, they just weren't the earnings the market analysts expected. Rather than 12 cents, earnings were a nickel less. In exchange, Smith & Wesson Holding Company took a big tumble, losing nearly 40% (39.67) in heavy volume with more than 14 point seven million shares changing hands.

The fall began at the opening bell, with the first trade at $13.75, quite a change from Monday's close at $20.09. Smith & Wesson officials say the cut in expectations were due to lower than expected demand for rifles and shotguns. Since the acquisition of Thompson/Center Arms last year, Smith & Wesson has been more dependent on consumer markets, with the company's progress over the past year having already doubled the stock price.

With yesterday's news, however, analysts say a slowdown in hunting and consumers postponing sales will continue to hurt the stock value. Market followers say the "adjustment" to Smith & Wesson's near runaway performance over the past year was inevitable, and long-term the company's health is not in question.

Meanwhile, presidential hopeful Fred Thompson is making his bones with the firearms community. He has issued a statement regarding his position on the United Nations and their campaign to regulate "small arms" globally. We don't have a favorite in the Republican primary candidates, but it would seem former Senator Thompson from Tennessee has taken a page from the playbook of another plain-spoken Tennessean Senator, Senator Davy Crockett. Rather than paraphrase, we'll let you read Thompson's comments for yourself. FYI, we'll run the comments from other candidates when (if) they ever make a definitive statement on firearms, the Second Amendment and litmus-test issues with shooters.

That having been said, Senator Thompson:

"Last year, the United Nations Sub-Commission on the Promotion and Protection of Human Rights declared that international human rights law requires all nations to adopt strict gun control laws. These "minimum" provisions are much more restrictive than any of those on the books anywhere in the U.S. and would almost certainly violate the Second Amendment of our Constitution.

Besides concluding that all nations are obligated under international human rights law to control the small arms and light weapons to which its civilian population has access, the UN report remarkably denied the existence of any human right to self-defense, evidently overlooking the work of Hugo Grotius, the 17th century scholar credited as the founder of international law, who wrote, "It is to be observed that [the] Right of Self-Defence, arises directly and immediately from the Care of our own Preservation, which Nature recommends to every one. . . ," and that this right is so primary, that it cannot be denied on the basis that it is not "expressly set forth."

There is another disturbing aspect to this call for international global gun control. Throughout modern history, the forced disarmament of people by its government has often been accompanied or followed by that government's commission of often massive human rights abuses. In fact, no genocide in the 20th century occurred when the victim population still possessed small arms, legally or illegally, with which to defend themselves.

So now the UN wants to disarm civilians? Where was the UN when the massacres in Rwanda occurred? What did the UN do to protect the victims of ethnic massacres in Bosnia? Disarming civilians under the guise of international human rights law will only lead to more such genocides by ensuring that civilians can never defend themselves! It would be funny if it weren't so perverse.

Thankfully, the Framers of our Constitution recognized this potential peril to our liberty, and enshrined in our Second Amendment the more basic right of self-defense. The U.N. can say what it likes about other countries' citizens' possession of small arms being a violation of human rights law, but so long as the United States is a sovereign nation governed by its Constitution, its words will have no effect here. And I am glad for it."

As always, we'll keep you posted. -- Jim Shepherd


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Extended News; Government; Politics/Elections; US: Tennessee
KEYWORDS: 2ndamendment; banglist; electionpresident; elections; federalism; firearms; firstprinciples; fred; gop; gunowners; humanrights; nra; republicans; rtkba; selfdefense; thompson; unitednations
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To: 2ndDivisionVet; P-Marlowe; jude24; blue-duncan

There needs to be a clear declaration that no treaty can over-ride our Constitutional freedoms. Otherwise, that would be a backdoor way of amending the Constitution.

The Scotus should just as easily rule suspect provisions of any treaties entered into “unconstitutional” as they would any other law enacted by the legislature.


21 posted on 11/01/2007 3:46:26 AM PDT by xzins (Retired Army Chaplain. True support of the troops means praying for US to WIN the war!)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
Fred doing well here on both the Second and on our national sovereignty.

Defund and expel the U.N.
22 posted on 11/01/2007 4:18:38 AM PDT by George W. Bush (Apres moi, le deluge.)
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To: from occupied ga

The threat from the smelly ragheads around the world IS being used as a crutch by the leftists in America. While the jihadi are indeed a threat, many of the knee jerk reactions by lawmakers specifically target the rights of Americans. A totalitarian state has a firm grip on the conduct of it’s population. in the name of fighting terrorism, notice that terrorism has been redefined to include the manufacture of hate crimes.

As for Ron Paul, I am not impressed. Running from problems overseas is not going to strengthen America one iota.
Weakness is the strength in the credibility of the United Nothings. They only can exert their manipulation on weak nations. Strong nations can just blow them off because the UN, without concensus, is weak and unable to accomplish anything of substance.

Beware of deception. Candidates are very good at disguises. Public record speaks volumes compared to rhetoric.


23 posted on 11/01/2007 4:58:13 AM PDT by o_zarkman44 (No Bull in 08!)
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To: o_zarkman44
As for Ron Paul, I am not impressed.

I'm less unimpressed with Ron Paul than the leading Republican three stooges. Romney Guiliani and McCain represent a real threat to individual liberty in the USA. Ron Paul does not although he is far from perfect.

And what are the overseas threats and how serious are they? Are they as serious as the statists would have us think? Unlikely, yet even on this so-called conservative forum you have people praising the grossly misnamed patriot act and clamoring for more government control and intrusion in the lives of citizens.

24 posted on 11/01/2007 5:04:33 AM PDT by from occupied ga (Your most dangerous enemy is your own government, Benito Guilinni a short man in search of a balcony)
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To: bobby.223
I’m still undecided on fred. the RKBA is number one with me but I have heard he is a CFR guy and I understand that those people are in favor of “global gun control” anybody heard anything regarding this? if so I’m all ears.

I used to be a member of the John Birch Society and the problem presented by CFR and the other globalist organizations is something to which I've dedicated over 20 years of research. There are a few things you need to understand about CFR: They were behind the failed League of Nations post WWI and they created the current version of the U.N. They rule DC. Every President since Woodrow Wilson has been heavily infested with CFR appointees from the top of the cabinet to the bottom. Reagan was NOT a member but his VP and every member of his cabinet and their primary assistants were members. So if you want to be elected President you don't have to be an Orchestra member, you just have to know who the musicians are and dance to the right tunes. That's FACT. Write the CFR and ask for their latest annual report. They'll send it to you for free. Then look up the names of their members -- only about 3,000 in the USA. You'll find a Who's Who of CEOs, high level politicians; hot shot media elites and extremely high level military officers. They've covered all the angles. They cannot be stopped. They're not supposed to be stopped...according to Bible prophesy. But they can be delayed, perhaps.

I think Fred is one of the Good Guys, here. As far as I'm concerned, he is no RINO. He's the real deal as far as conservative ideology is concerned. However the key is who will occupy his cabinet. You can bet his veep and primary agency heads will be CFR. The only way a single man, even the President can slow this agenda is by refusing to act on the key elements of their agenda in a timely manner and by using his veto powers carefully.

There is another factor to consider: The core of the CFR cabal is a very small group of ultra rich or ultra influential power brokers. They're also members of the Trilateral Commission, the Club of Rome and the Bilderbergers. Think George Soros. Unfortunately, membership rosters for those other groups are more difficult to come by.

But to really be a BAD guy you've got to be a made man so to speak with that inner circle. Everybody else is a member for self serving reasons (a critical ticket to be punched in terms of political and monetary success). I think Fred punched his ticket as he was no doubt instructed to do. You can tell who the real members of the conspiracy are and they're usually NOT the folks who blindly defend the 2nd Amendment as Fred has done recently.

You want to get read into the whole plot? Just take a look at the book list on my FR home page. The books by William F. Jasper, James Perloff and G. Edward Griffin are the most critical. If you care enough to really READ.

25 posted on 11/01/2007 5:20:05 AM PDT by ExSoldier (Democracy is 2 wolves and a lamb voting on dinner. Liberty is a well armed lamb contesting the vote.)
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To: bobby.223
Well! Speak of the Devil! Satan's Minions
26 posted on 11/01/2007 5:26:25 AM PDT by ExSoldier (Democracy is 2 wolves and a lamb voting on dinner. Liberty is a well armed lamb contesting the vote.)
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To: ExSoldier
hey soldier, thanks for the link, Satans minions lolol

Maybe not enough coffee yet, but I read the whole thread thinking 'campaign finance reform' CFR.

I admit I hadnt heard much about these 'clubs' and think you might get some hits with a well linked post and maybe open some other eyes about how the royalty of the world works [ its all about $$$=power] and advertising to the masses.

Hopefully we have a covert operator working inside the club which would do the right thing and ignore the pure lure of power. Kinda the way politicians used to be, serving the people instead of ruling...

27 posted on 11/01/2007 6:17:07 AM PDT by Gilbo_3 (A few Rams must look after the sheep 'til the Good Shepherd returns...)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Great article. Great man.


28 posted on 11/01/2007 6:24:21 AM PDT by trisham (Zen is not easy. It takes effort to attain nothingness. And then what do you have? Bupkis.)
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To: bobby.223
Not the exact issue, but don't read so much into CFR membership like so many here do.

While the overwhelming number of members are academics, like almost all think tanks, there are "opposing viewpoint" members as well.

Something to consider and worth further study if need be. Jeane Kirkpatrick was a member and there was even a research chair established in her name at the CFR.

Kirkpatrick was Reagan's UN ambassador and a trusted ally in the fight against communism. She was no globalist.

Neither is CFR member John Bolton...

29 posted on 11/01/2007 6:24:28 AM PDT by ejonesie22 (265 pound Lemming with attitude for Thompson!)
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To: from occupied ga
Excuse me, but these good folks would like a word with you about your post:



If you are having trouble hearing them, it is because they are dead, being killed by a few smelly rag heads.

But I have been assured that they said

HORSE HOCKEY

30 posted on 11/01/2007 6:29:13 AM PDT by ejonesie22 (265 pound Lemming with attitude for Thompson!)
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To: Soliton

Its because I don’t have a Winchester Model 97 yet.
Or, what I REALLY want, a repro Model 87 lever action shotgun in 12 gauge.
Or a shootable Mauser C96 or reprod, preferably in .45 (the Chinese a bunch of these...) or 9mm. (I’d LOVE to show at IPSC with one...)
Or a Springfield XD compact in .40 or .45.
Or a S&W Schofield (or Italian Repro).
Or a...
Ya get the idea? I may have more guns than I need, but I’ll NEVER have as many as I want...


31 posted on 11/01/2007 6:32:43 AM PDT by Little Ray (Rudy Guiliani: If his wives can't trust him, why should we?)
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To: bobby.223

The RKBA is at the top of my requirements for a candidate. All other freedoms come from the fact that the populace, if they have the guts, can fight back. This is why Rudy will NEVER get my vote.


32 posted on 11/01/2007 6:33:47 AM PDT by stevio ((NRA))
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To: stevio
The RKBA is at the top of my requirements for a candidate. All other freedoms come from the fact that the populace, if they have the guts, can fight back. This is why Rudy will NEVER get my vote.

************

It may be the most important issue for me as well, although there are others.

33 posted on 11/01/2007 6:35:56 AM PDT by trisham (Zen is not easy. It takes effort to attain nothingness. And then what do you have? Bupkis.)
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To: Celtman

Sorry, Ron Paul is scratched off my list of consideration, I don’t even read his positions. He’s screwed himself with me with his anti-war position, even if he’s right on this issue.


34 posted on 11/01/2007 6:49:53 AM PDT by Free Vulcan (Fight the illegal Mexican colonizers & imperialist conquistadors! Long live the resistance!)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

(s)but but but the futures traders at intratrad are tanking the futures market comodity shares for Thompson! hee is doooooooooooooooooooooooomed!!!! AND dick moris hates Thomspon!!! AND Huckabee has a Giutar!!!! AND Giuliani was mayor on 9/11 and Hillary was senator on 9/11....DOOOOOOOOOOOMED!!!!! (/s)

could not help myself. Just waiting for the one issue attackers to demand we focus on one issue of Hillary Clinton (aka Rudy Giuliani)


35 posted on 11/01/2007 7:02:36 AM PDT by longtermmemmory (VOTE! http://www.senate.gov and http://www.house.gov)
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To: ejonesie22
Your abysmally ignorant and inflammatory post notwithstanding you need to get history book - one with short words so you can understand it and see just how many people were killed BY THEIR OWN GOVERNMENTS in the 20th century vs how many were killed by terrorists. I'll give you a hint. A conservative estimate is 80,000,000 were killed by their own governments. So unless you can somehow come up with a convincing argument that human nature is different in the USA than in the rest of the world you're the one who is full of sh!t.

Oh and btw since you're into pictures here are some people who would say worry about your own government

People lined up for the gas chambers at Auschwitz

36 posted on 11/01/2007 7:03:44 AM PDT by from occupied ga (Your most dangerous enemy is your own government, Benito Guilinni a short man in search of a balcony)
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To: from occupied ga

That’s right. Bush IS Hitler! Thanks for clearing that up, buddy.


37 posted on 11/01/2007 7:33:46 AM PDT by The Pack Knight (Duty, Honor, Country.... Valor.)
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To: from occupied ga; All
Nice try Skippy...

Which Book you want me to pull back off my bookshelf?

Speer's book?

Shirer's?

Spielvogel's?

How about Rayfield's book on Stalin?

Would you like for me to see if I can dig up my History Honors paper on Nazism's impact on German Culture? OUR GOVERNEMT BET THOSE GUYS...

Why, because WE ARE NOT THEM.

You bunker types worrying about "the man" and trying to get legal drugs and all that crap make me sick. Your patronizing idiocy is entertaining at best.

Wake up and smell the 21st century.

Those "Smelly Ragheads" are after some real weapons and want us dead. No one is listening to your conversation or cares unless you have some connection to the "ragheads".

Damn, just damn...

38 posted on 11/01/2007 7:37:09 AM PDT by ejonesie22 (265 pound Lemming with attitude for Thompson!)
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To: The Pack Knight
That’s right. Bush IS Hitler! Thanks for clearing that up, buddy.

A. I'm not your "buddy" I try not to be buddies wih jackasses. And B. Show me where I said that.

39 posted on 11/01/2007 7:39:44 AM PDT by from occupied ga (Your most dangerous enemy is your own government, Benito Guilinni a short man in search of a balcony)
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To: from occupied ga

Oh, I get it. The real threat is Nazi Germany, not our own government. Thanks for clearing that up, pal.


40 posted on 11/01/2007 7:41:25 AM PDT by The Pack Knight (Duty, Honor, Country.... Valor.)
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