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Ron Paul: Clinton didn't cut defense enough
The Ron Paul Survival Report | May 15, 1993 | Ron Paul

Posted on 11/09/2007 11:37:32 AM PST by LSUfan

Ron Paul Survival Report

May 15, 1993

Volume IX Number 5

Page 6

Defense Cuts?

In spite of all the rhetoric minimal cuts will be made in the military budget. The "savings" are gained by cutting back on proposed increases. For 1994 Clinton has asked for $278 billion. That's only $2 billion less than Bush had requested. Over the next five years, Clinton has proposed an additional $12 billion more than Bush had asked fior. And that doesn't mean that it will happen. Essentially Clinton's proposals will maintain military spending at Cold War levels over the next five years, to exceed $1.3 trillion. In the past it was thought that liberals were less interventionist overseas because they represented the anti-war movement in the 1960s. However, most of this anti-war movement was motivated by not wanting to fight communism, not principled anti-interventionism. Today the liberals and the Democrats are much more interventionist than the Republicans and the conservatives. This policy of intenventionism overseas, with the absence of a Soviet menace, encourages the building of a coalition between the Old Right and libertarians in presenting the constitutional case for "minding our own business."


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1 posted on 11/09/2007 11:37:33 AM PST by LSUfan
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To: LSUfan

I have had enough of him.

Time to bow out and go home.


2 posted on 11/09/2007 11:38:55 AM PST by A CA Guy (God Bless America, God bless and keep safe our fighting men and women.)
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To: A CA Guy
"...Time to bow out and go home."

Or beam up to the mother ship.


3 posted on 11/09/2007 11:43:03 AM PST by Anti-Bubba182
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To: LSUfan
So, ummmm.

In what way is this guy a conservative? Or even a Republican?

Oh. Maybe I have the wrong party. He's a Dem?

4 posted on 11/09/2007 11:47:19 AM PST by HeartlandOfAmerica (The way to stop discrimination on the basis of race is to stop discriminating on the basis of race.)
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To: LSUfan
In the past it was thought that liberals were less interventionist overseas because they represented the anti-war movement in the 1960s. However, most of this anti-war movement was motivated by not wanting to fight communism, not principled anti-interventionism. Today the liberals and the Democrats are much more interventionist than the Republicans and the conservatives. This policy of intenventionism overseas, with the absence of a Soviet menace, encourages the building of a coalition between the Old Right and libertarians in presenting the constitutional case for "minding our own business.

Worth repeating.
5 posted on 11/09/2007 11:47:20 AM PST by MinnesotaLibertarian
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To: LSUfan
One of the few constitutional mandates is the defense of the nation. And this idiot wants to eviscerate our military. He can go to hell as far as I’m concerned. His 15 minutes of fame...over. Time for him to stick his head back into the sand.
6 posted on 11/09/2007 11:47:20 AM PST by AlaskaErik (I served and protected my country for 31 years. Democrats spent that time trying to destroy it.)
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To: LSUfan

Ron Paul and his supporters are Liberals.


7 posted on 11/09/2007 11:48:31 AM PST by bmwcyle (BOMB, BOMB, BOMB,.......BOMB, BOMB IRAN)
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To: LSUfan

If half of the waste, fraud and abuse that takes place in the government (including the military and post office) were brought to a halt there would probably be no need for a budget cut ever...


8 posted on 11/09/2007 11:49:14 AM PST by Triggerhippie (Always use a silencer in a crowd. Loud noises offend people.)
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To: bmwcyle
Ron Paul and his supporters are Liberals.

Classical liberals, yes, in the fine tradition of Locke, Jefferson, and Jackson. As opposed to today's highly illiberal Republican and Democratic parties. We could use a few more liberals, in my opinion.
9 posted on 11/09/2007 11:52:58 AM PST by UncleDick (Ron Paul '08)
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To: LSUfan

Does anyone know if there will be any Ron Paul threads today?


10 posted on 11/09/2007 11:53:57 AM PST by purpleraine
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To: bmwcyle; OrthodoxPresbyterian; George W. Bush; Extremely Extreme Extremist; traviskicks; ...

Apparently, as Ron Paul supporters, we’re all liberals. Capital-L Liberals to boot, though I wasn’t aware we had a national Liberal party in the U.S.


11 posted on 11/09/2007 11:54:17 AM PST by MinnesotaLibertarian
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To: LSUfan

Bump


12 posted on 11/09/2007 11:54:38 AM PST by mnehring (I am free not to support Ron Paul... Wow, I feel special...)
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To: purpleraine; LSUfan

Looks like there will be plenty, due to LSUfan’s anti-Paul spamming.


13 posted on 11/09/2007 11:56:18 AM PST by MinnesotaLibertarian
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To: purpleraine
Does anyone know if there will be any Ron Paul threads today?

Not sure. I'll moonbat-ping you if I see one.

14 posted on 11/09/2007 12:01:28 PM PST by Allegra (Greetings from a kinder, gentler Iraq. God bless US and Coalition Forces.)
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To: LSUfan

The Paul spammers are just sour grapes because Paul isn’t listed on FR polls anymore. The brats will do anything to capture attention!


15 posted on 11/09/2007 12:04:14 PM PST by Paperdoll ( Vote for Duncan Hunter in the Primaries for America's sake!)
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To: Allegra

Sooooo, that will be after dark? LOL!


16 posted on 11/09/2007 12:04:53 PM PST by purpleraine
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To: purpleraine

We’re fighting against Islamic Faciscm and this guy is blathering on about how Clinton didn’t cut enough of our defenses? He’s not credible. Let’s vote him off NOW!


17 posted on 11/09/2007 12:06:22 PM PST by princess leah
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To: LSUfan

Apparently he cut the defense enough. We got 9-ll.


18 posted on 11/09/2007 12:06:28 PM PST by freekitty ((May the eagles long fly our beautiful and free American sky.))
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To: Paperdoll; LSUfan
The Paul spammers are just sour grapes because Paul isn’t listed on FR polls anymore.

It isn't the Paul supporters who are spamming FR with Paul threads today.
19 posted on 11/09/2007 12:10:45 PM PST by UncleDick (Ron Paul '08)
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To: freekitty

Did 9/11 happen because we didn’t spend enough? Or did it happen because resources were poorly allocated (i.e. Humint, techint)?


20 posted on 11/09/2007 12:11:46 PM PST by Pawtucket Patriot
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To: purpleraine
Sooooo, that will be after dark? LOL!

It's waaaay after dark here. It's late night. When all the moonbats start waking up.

I've drawn moonbat-watch tonight. ;-)

21 posted on 11/09/2007 12:13:33 PM PST by Allegra (Greetings from a kinder, gentler Iraq. God bless US and Coalition Forces.)
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To: A CA Guy

Yeah, same here. Up till now he was an amusing diversion (sort of like a clown at a circus) now he’s ceased being funny or even sane.


22 posted on 11/09/2007 12:14:10 PM PST by ECM (Government is a make-work program for lawyers.)
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To: A CA Guy

Let him run as a third-party candidate. He’ll finish Hillary. LOL!


23 posted on 11/09/2007 12:14:20 PM PST by ShandaLear (Extremists always meet each other full circle.)
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To: Pawtucket Patriot

Haven’t the slighest; but Clinton cut the budget for the military.


24 posted on 11/09/2007 12:15:38 PM PST by freekitty ((May the eagles long fly our beautiful and free American sky.))
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To: UncleDick

>It isn’t the Paul supporters who are spamming FR with Paul threads today.<

Oh really? Then who is it and why? Brats will settle for adverse attention rather than none.


25 posted on 11/09/2007 12:16:12 PM PST by Paperdoll ( Vote for Duncan Hunter in the Primaries for America's sake!)
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To: Pawtucket Patriot

I see you are new as of today. Welcome


26 posted on 11/09/2007 12:16:30 PM PST by freekitty ((May the eagles long fly our beautiful and free American sky.))
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To: UncleDick

27 posted on 11/09/2007 12:18:22 PM PST by mnehring (I am free not to support Ron Paul... Wow, I feel special...)
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To: ShandaLear
Fine, you get Ron Paul to run as the green party candidate and we’ll talk about that.
If he runs as any other type of third party candidate, he will help the Hildabeast!
28 posted on 11/09/2007 12:18:48 PM PST by A CA Guy (God Bless America, God bless and keep safe our fighting men and women.)
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To: freekitty

Thank you, thought I’d stop leering and start participating.


29 posted on 11/09/2007 12:36:29 PM PST by Pawtucket Patriot
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To: Pawtucket Patriot

Good for you and Welcome again.


30 posted on 11/09/2007 12:43:52 PM PST by freekitty ((May the eagles long fly our beautiful and free American sky.))
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To: bmwcyle
Ron Paul and his supporters are Liberals.

This is the third thread in a row that you have spammed. Knock it off. If you can't tell the difference between a liberal and a libertarian then you need to leave Free Republic because you aren't smart enough to have a discussion in politics.

Let me put this bluntly: libertarianism is the political philosophy that founded the United States and the Republican Party. Even Reagan recognized that. A failure to understand the philosophy of libertarianism is a failure to understand the core tenets of the conservative philosophy. While modern conservatism has diverged from libertarianism, you could never call libertarians 'socialists' even by comparison. Big Government Compassionate Conservative President Bush is much closer to being a socialist than Ron Paul who has *gasp* actually recommended reducing the power and size of the federal government.

31 posted on 11/09/2007 1:03:55 PM PST by burzum (None shall see me, though my battlecry may give me away -Minsc)
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To: LSUfan
Man if we had cut the military, we reall could have some of these...
32 posted on 11/09/2007 1:08:32 PM PST by ejonesie22 (Real voters in real voting booths will elect FDT.)
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To: freekitty
Apparently he cut the defense enough. We got 9-ll.

Maybe that is what cut and run is talking about when he keeps preaching that it was our policies that caused 9/11. I thought he was saying that we just did not appease his terrorist buddies enough.
33 posted on 11/09/2007 1:10:16 PM PST by rideharddiefast
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To: burzum; bmwcyle
Knock it off. If you can't tell the difference between a liberal and a libertarian then you need to leave Free Republic because you aren't smart enough to have a discussion in politics.

Man you Paul schmucks take the cake....

You back a guy who goes against the very words of the founder of FreeRepublic AND you have the audacity to tell some one to leave...

Damn, just damn...

34 posted on 11/09/2007 1:12:41 PM PST by ejonesie22 (Real voters in real voting booths will elect FDT.)
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To: ejonesie22

And your post is another example of rabid anti Paul bias, schmuck.


35 posted on 11/09/2007 1:17:20 PM PST by burzum (None shall see me, though my battlecry may give me away -Minsc)
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To: A CA Guy
Fine, you get Ron Paul to run as the green party candidate and we’ll talk about that. If he runs as any other type of third party candidate, he will help the Hildabeast!

How would him running 3rd party help Clinton? He would take the votes of the white flag wavers from her and no true Republican would ever vote for a blame America first terrorist appeaser like cut and run.
If he ran 3rd party it may not get the Republican candidate any more votes, but it would sure take some away from the anti-American candidate..
36 posted on 11/09/2007 1:18:42 PM PST by rideharddiefast
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To: LSUfan

He’s starting to sound like he’s in a Saturday Night Live skit making fun of himself.


37 posted on 11/09/2007 1:19:33 PM PST by joebuck
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To: ejonesie22

Oh, and just in case you are confused (which is likely since you didn’t comprehend my first post), I stated that a libertarian is not a liberal. If you can’t comprehend that then you are not smart enough to discuss politics either.

It is interesting that your response did not even try to defend that point. Why is that? Because it makes modern compassionate conservatives look like socialists in comparison?


38 posted on 11/09/2007 1:19:44 PM PST by burzum (None shall see me, though my battlecry may give me away -Minsc)
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To: MinnesotaLibertarian
Its a case of "do unto others"...


39 posted on 11/09/2007 1:21:51 PM PST by darkwing104 (Let's get dangerous)
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To: burzum

Your tagline alone is why there is anti Paul bias here. Think about it.


40 posted on 11/09/2007 1:22:23 PM PST by rintense (I'm 4 Thompson!)
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To: burzum
Riiight...

Try again, it’s not bias when it is backed by the truth....

He is an anti war surrender monkey...

41 posted on 11/09/2007 1:24:03 PM PST by ejonesie22 (Real voters in real voting booths will elect FDT.)
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To: LSUfan

This was exactly the same position taken by many of the “class of ‘94” Republicans.

And until Paul and Barr and Gingrich called out Clinton on calling a ‘reduction in the rate of increase’ a ‘budget cut’, CNN and the media at the time were giving Clinton a boost.


42 posted on 11/09/2007 1:28:07 PM PST by JerseyHighlander
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To: burzum
Oh quit, there was nothing to “comprehend” in your post.

Damn you Paulites are not only arrogant, but thick.

It is irrelevant where you began, it is where you have ended up...

“Ron Paul and his flaming antiwar spam monkeys can Kiss my Ass!!”- Jim Robinson, Sept, 30, 2007

43 posted on 11/09/2007 1:29:57 PM PST by ejonesie22 (Real voters in real voting booths will elect FDT.)
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To: ejonesie22

Well I am not going to vote for another President who ignores our economy and bloats the government. Ron Paul is the only one of the candidates who has actually recommended to reduce the size of the government below the year 2000 size. If the other candidates want to compete for my vote then they had better at least learn some more libertarian economic principles.


44 posted on 11/09/2007 1:42:02 PM PST by burzum (None shall see me, though my battlecry may give me away -Minsc)
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To: ejonesie22

Good luck with that. We’ll keep the Muslims off your back while you get it sorted...


45 posted on 11/09/2007 1:45:37 PM PST by ejonesie22 (Real voters in real voting booths will elect FDT.)
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To: LSUfan
So? And your point is?

Please post all pages of the article so that we can see what you are not telling us.
46 posted on 11/09/2007 1:55:34 PM PST by Iwo Jima ("Close the border. Then we'll talk.")
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To: rideharddiefast

I know. It’s hard to tell.


47 posted on 11/09/2007 2:21:23 PM PST by freekitty ((May the eagles long fly our beautiful and free American sky.))
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To: Iwo Jima

That is the entire article.


48 posted on 11/09/2007 2:22:46 PM PST by LSUfan
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To: freekitty
Apparently he cut the defense enough. We got 9-ll.

Are you kidding me? 9-11 did not happen due to a lack of military resources. We had 10 times the military resources we would have ever needed to stop those attacks. Instead we had such a bloated government that it was impossible for one part to talk to another. Even with a military that could have easily taken out the airliners in plenty of time, the information was never passed. If the government was smaller then coordination would have been easier before and during the attacks. The defense budget (which was more than 1/3rd of the defense budget of the entire world at the time) was more than enough to have combated the attacks.

49 posted on 11/09/2007 2:29:02 PM PST by burzum (None shall see me, though my battlecry may give me away -Minsc)
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To: burzum

I agree with you on bloated government and our departments can’t talk to each other; but the military budget was cut.

I would like to see the departments moved around the country instead of being in one place. Too much concentrated power can not be good.

And I don’t know that our military would have been ready to do this epsecially after the Clintons and 8 years.


50 posted on 11/09/2007 2:47:18 PM PST by freekitty ((May the eagles long fly our beautiful and free American sky.))
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