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(AZ Gov) Symington: I saw a UFO in the Arizona sky
CNN ^ | 11/10/2007 | By Fife Symington

Posted on 11/09/2007 12:23:48 PM PST by Tulsa Ramjet

Former Arizona Governor Fife Symington will be moderating a November 12 event at the National Press Club where he will discuss the Phoenix Lights incident. He says he will be joined by 14 former high-ranking military and government officials from seven countries who will share evidence from what they call their own UFO experiences and investigations.

Fife Symington says he nearly had a close encounter while governor of Arizona.

(CNN) -- In 1997, during my second term as governor of Arizona, I saw something that defied logic and challenged my reality.

I witnessed a massive delta-shaped, craft silently navigate over Squaw Peak, a mountain range in Phoenix, Arizona. It was truly breathtaking. I was absolutely stunned because I was turning to the west looking for the distant Phoenix Lights.

To my astonishment this apparition appeared; this dramatically large, very distinctive leading edge with some enormous lights was traveling through the Arizona sky.

(Excerpt) Read more at cnn.com ...


TOPICS: Culture/Society; News/Current Events; US: Arizona
KEYWORDS: nut; phoenix; symington; ufo
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81 posted on 11/09/2007 1:54:10 PM PST by evets (beer)
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To: Calvin Locke

See post#46.

A philosopher like Locke would go after this voraciously.


82 posted on 11/09/2007 1:56:12 PM PST by Kevmo (We should withdraw from Iraq — via Tehran. And Duncan Hunter is just the man to get that job done.)
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To: Tulsa Ramjet

The Phoenix Lights were a wonderful example of disinformation, and how to destroy the credibility of both a story and witnesses by flooding the media with a combination of denial and false information.

To start with, the event began just at sundown and the start of EENT (End of Evening Nautical Twilight), when visibility is quite good.

Some variety of what was most likely an experimental, V-shaped US Air Force Aircraft, capable of hovering, had some kind of mechanical breakdown at between an altitude of one and three hundred feet over a residential area in Phoenix. The end result was that it just sat there, hovering, for about an hour or more, with only slow drift because of very light evening winds.

Otherwise, it produced only very minimal noise, certainly nothing like typical engine noise.

People left their houses and cars, some of whom had cameras, and one of whom had a video camera, shooting at the aircraft and the lights on its underside, about 150 feet over his house for over 10 minutes.

Eventually, it was able to develop slow momentum, and was able to move away from the city. By then, night had fully fallen, and it was no longer visible. Then the fun began in earnest.

Initially, the hundreds of reports flooding the local news channels, including a Phoenix city councilwoman, were taken at face value, but by the 10pm news, denials were already being issued. The councilwoman was bluntly told to shut up, that she was seeing things as was a nut.

Within days, a flood of totally unrelated information was filling the local news, covering the gamut with such things as “other UFOs seen other places”, “UFOs as a part of conspiracy culture”, “Air Force and local radar see nothing, deny everything”, “local residents insist they saw UFOs, afraid of being branded kooks”, “weather balloons or flares, which was it?”, etc. The local news showed video of the Phoenix skyline at night taken from the top of a high rise building, and said they could see no UFO there. Well, duh.

It was an impressive display of bad information pushing out good, and a little non-subtle intimidation.

The truth of the matter is that, if you are flying lower than commercial aircraft, in a helicopter or whatever, the only flight corridor you can take from North to South through northern Arizona, which is where you would be heading if you were coming from Nevada, specifically Groom Lake AB (which does not exist), is approximately over the North-South Verde River. This would put you right where the Phoenix Lights were seen.

It was most likely heading to or from the California coast off of San Diego, which is one of the few places you can fly aircraft at supersonic speeds. This still annoys San Diego a lot, who protest it.

People saw the Phoenix Lights all the way from Henderson, Nevada, just outside Las Vegas, through several other Arizona towns North and South of Phoenix, though they disappeared South of Phoenix, about where the freeway turnoff is for San Diego. Surprise, surprise.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Phoenix_lights

Why I find this as being so utterly unimpressive is because we *want* the Air Force to develop advanced aircraft. And we *want* them to keep their advanced designs secret from our enemies as long as possible. And no, the public does not have a need to know about our secret military weapons.

So the bottom line is, yes, the Phoenix Lights were a UFO.

It is not our business. Any more than if some general left a briefcase full of Top Secret papers at a truck stop.


83 posted on 11/09/2007 1:56:34 PM PST by Popocatapetl
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To: Kevmo

Gog and Magog.
Pat Robertson’s body snatching is one of the first signs of takeover.


84 posted on 11/09/2007 1:57:01 PM PST by Tulsa Ramjet ("If not now, when?" "Because it's judgment that defeats us.")
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To: Tulsa Ramjet

I’m afraid I don’t understand your post.


85 posted on 11/09/2007 1:58:12 PM PST by Kevmo (We should withdraw from Iraq — via Tehran. And Duncan Hunter is just the man to get that job done.)
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To: Yo-Yo

Right! Everybody knows that story is just a truth deflection!! Probably created today and dated back.


86 posted on 11/09/2007 1:58:36 PM PST by Tulsa Ramjet ("If not now, when?" "Because it's judgment that defeats us.")
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To: Rick.Donaldson
"With our obsession with antagonisms of the moment, we often forget how much unites all the members of humanity. I occasionally think how quickly our differences, worldwide, would vanish if we were facing an alien threat from outside this world." .. Former President Ronald Reagan, while sharing the stage with former Russian leader, Mikhail Gorbachev, 1988.
87 posted on 11/09/2007 1:59:03 PM PST by FReepaholic (This tagline could indicate global warming.)
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To: Rick.Donaldson

I threw a garbage can lid into the air when I was 11 and snapped some pictures that are far better than anything I’ve seen here.


88 posted on 11/09/2007 2:05:27 PM PST by onedoug
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To: wolfcreek

THX 1133


89 posted on 11/09/2007 2:06:37 PM PST by Tulsa Ramjet ("If not now, when?" "Because it's judgment that defeats us.")
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To: wolfcreek

oops, THX 1138. Maggie McOmie.


90 posted on 11/09/2007 2:06:53 PM PST by Tulsa Ramjet ("If not now, when?" "Because it's judgment that defeats us.")
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To: Tulsa Ramjet

Looks to me like this is just another example of the MSM trying to deflect attention from Kucinich’s goofiness which the MSM is afraid will stick to the Democrat party. In other words, CNN: “See! Republicans believe in UFOs even more so than the Democrats!”


91 posted on 11/09/2007 2:13:38 PM PST by FreedomForce (Duncan Hunter 2008)
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To: Frank_Discussion

http://greyfalcon.us/Belschrmiet.htm


92 posted on 11/09/2007 2:16:54 PM PST by B4Ranch (( "Freedom is not free, but don't worry the U.S. Marine Corps will pay most of your share." ))
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To: Kevmo; Tulsa Ramjet
Pat Robertson’s body snatching is one of the first signs of takeover.

I’m afraid I don’t understand your post.

That's all right, I do...LOL

93 posted on 11/09/2007 2:17:44 PM PST by greyfoxx39 (I have a tagline . I just don't think the forum police will allow me to use it. THEY'RE EVERYWHERE!)
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To: Tulsa Ramjet

Satan. Select people are being possessed to push society over the edge. Make is seem ‘natural.’ Why do you think Abraham’s son’s (Isaac-Jew and Ishmael-Muslim) are fighting? All strife is a eon-old head fake to divert the people of Abraham from the root of evil’s purpose so that they will destroy each other. there. are you ready?


94 posted on 11/09/2007 2:22:24 PM PST by Tulsa Ramjet ("If not now, when?" "Because it's judgment that defeats us.")
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To: eyedigress
That picture is exactly what I saw over Phoenix one month BEFORE the Phoenix lights incident, except what I saw had a slightly more pronounced V shape. I was leaving a friend's house in Gilbert at dusk and as I walked out the door it was moving south from over the McDowells.

I stopped and as I stared at it, it stopped. I have to admit that my first thought was UFO. As I watched, the light on the far right moved straight out in front of the others, made a 90 degree turn and crossed in front of the other lights. When it moved independently, I relaxed somewhat remembering that the Apache Junction airfield was just a few miles east. They were, at the time, training foreign pilots on the Apache Helicopters which were assembled there and night flights were routine.

When my friend noticed that I had stopped and was staring, he glanced up and said "Oh those. We see them all the time." He recounted that he and his son had watched a formation at Christmastime from his son's bedroom window.

95 posted on 11/09/2007 2:24:51 PM PST by MARTIAL MONK
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To: Frank_Discussion

Well, I can’t observe anything this evening, but overcast skies. :(

Oh well...


96 posted on 11/09/2007 2:26:00 PM PST by Rick.Donaldson (http://www.transasianaxis.com - Visit for lastest on DPRK/Russia/China/Etc --Fred Thompson for Prez.)
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To: Kevmo
“I’m afraid I don’t understand your post.”

The MSM is part of the problem. Hard news today is allowing the nation to stalk O.J. through 24/7 media to see if he will be indicted, or even perpetual evening deliberation from Geraldo on whether Anna Nicole Smith was murdered. Who f-ing cares? If you look below the white picket fence, maggots and worms are sliming and squirming, and we just smile with our pepsodent smile.

97 posted on 11/09/2007 2:26:17 PM PST by Tulsa Ramjet ("If not now, when?" "Because it's judgment that defeats us.")
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To: Rick.Donaldson

If it means anything to you, the first things that Bill Clinton did for himself as president were to look into the UFO and JFK assassination files. He thought as President, he might see something convincing, but I seem to recall that nothing pointed to the existence of UFOs or a conspiracy to kill JFK.


98 posted on 11/09/2007 2:27:06 PM PST by weegee (NO THIRD TERM. America does not need another unconstitutional Clinton co-presidency.)
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To: Tulsa Ramjet
Nothing to see here....move along....move along.
99 posted on 11/09/2007 2:29:13 PM PST by Tulsa Ramjet ("If not now, when?" "Because it's judgment that defeats us.")
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To: Popocatapetl
Here's a satellite photo of Groom Lake facility (aka Area 51), that doesn't exist. :) Doesn't exist now, didn't exist in 2003 either. LOL


100 posted on 11/09/2007 2:30:07 PM PST by Rick.Donaldson (http://www.transasianaxis.com - Visit for lastest on DPRK/Russia/China/Etc --Fred Thompson for Prez.)
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