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Why the Ron Paul Campaign is Dangerous
NewsBull ^ | November 11, 2007 | JB Williams

Posted on 11/11/2007 12:39:35 PM PST by PlainOleAmerican

I hate wasting this much press time on Ron Paul. But the Paul campaign is becoming a real threat to the Republican primary process and if allowed to continue, he will take votes away from the most conservative Republican candidates in the party, not the most liberal. This is bad for the party and the country.

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So, how Republican is Republican candidate Ron Paul?

If he’s funded largely by anti-war leftists, from Democrat stronghold districts and counting on Democrats, Libertarians and members of the Green Party to win the Republican nomination, not very…

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The FACTS in this column are hard to argue with, especially if you take a few minutes to follow the facts to their natural conclusion via the sources named in the column.

If Republicans want a nominee selected and funded by voters who normally support leftist Democrats, Ron Paul is your guy...

But if Republicans want a Republican nominated by Republicans to run against Hillary, it's time to put an end to the Ron Paul campaign...

1 posted on 11/11/2007 12:39:36 PM PST by PlainOleAmerican
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To: SJackson; Allegra; lormand; Petronski; ejonesie22; mnehrling; drpix

Look-out-this-is-gonna-attract-the-swarm PING! ;)


2 posted on 11/11/2007 12:41:02 PM PST by KentTrappedInLiberalSeattle ("Ron Paul and his flaming antiwar spam monkeys can Kiss my Ass!!" -- Jim Robinson, 09/30/07)
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To: PlainOleAmerican
The guy can’t even poll 5%. He’s meaningless. He has a lot of kooks who spam and send him money but when it comes to actual national numbers he loses to a joke campaign by a liberal entertainer. By the time the candidates are chosen he will be nothing but an embarrassing memory and a trivia question. Don’t sweat the nutburger.
3 posted on 11/11/2007 12:43:25 PM PST by joebuck
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To: KentTrappedInLiberalSeattle

They don’t have to like the facts, but it’s getting harder and harder for them to ignore them...

This column is right on the money (literally). Anyone willing to follow the money will find that this column is TRUE and accurate.

Not that Paul supporters have a history of checking their facts...


4 posted on 11/11/2007 12:44:15 PM PST by PlainOleAmerican
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To: PlainOleAmerican
I guess nobody else feels the way I do about Ron Paul's candidacy...but I've always felt that his poll numbers and contributions were being driven by Democrats, not Republicans.

He gives instructions on his website on how to re-register to vote in the Republican primaries.

When I was in Pueblo yesterday, there were people in lawn chairs at every busy intersection in town with "Ron Paul" signs.

Pueblo is the second largest Democrat stronghold in Colorado.

5 posted on 11/11/2007 12:45:33 PM PST by moondoggie
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To: PlainOleAmerican
BS, unless you define the most conservative voters and being actually the most liberal, that isn’t happening.

In any case, he will not get nominated and will go away in the real main election. So I do not believe he wants to be the next Ross Perot.

6 posted on 11/11/2007 12:46:22 PM PST by A CA Guy (God Bless America, God bless and keep safe our fighting men and women.)
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To: joebuck

This is the problem, right here...

http://www.primarilypaul.com/ron-paul-in-the-primaries/

Daily Paul is all over this strategy... They CAN botch the RNC nomination process by doing the same things they have been doing to online polls.


7 posted on 11/11/2007 12:46:53 PM PST by PlainOleAmerican
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To: PlainOleAmerican

just because there are people willing to throw their money down the toilet doesn’t mean he’s dangerous.
Rudy is the most dangerous to the GOP precisely because he is not an anti-war kook.


8 posted on 11/11/2007 12:47:14 PM PST by ari-freedom (I am for traditional moral values, a strong national defense, and free markets.)
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To: moondoggie

How do you feel about Ron Paul?


9 posted on 11/11/2007 12:48:15 PM PST by PlainOleAmerican
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To: PlainOleAmerican

I’m pretty sure the majority of Paul’s funding comes from perturbed libertarians.

And even if leftists do contribute to his campaign, it seems like they would be working against their interests, since Paul’s view of government is completely antithetical to liberal leftist ideology.


10 posted on 11/11/2007 12:48:51 PM PST by Tears of a Clown
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To: PlainOleAmerican
Upon investigation, it appears that Mr. Dondero is exactly right. Much of Ron Paul’s money is not coming from mainstream Libertarians or Republicans.

Although he is running as a Republican, he actually has very little support from rank and file Republicans, as every national Republican poll confirms. But it turns out that he has very little support from mainstream Libertarians either. As Dondero pointed out, “Ron Paul is only attracting support from the leftwing side of the libertarian spectrum, virtually none of whom are Republicans.”

According to official campaign fund raising filings posted at www.opensecrets.org, Ron Paul’s top contributor is well known internet giant Google. Google, with Al Gore on the board of directors, has a long history of progressive political activism, both in the way they censor search results to bury conservative slanted stories, and in their campaign contribution habits, which is solidly Democrat, with the exception of Ron Paul.

Like Howard Dean before him, Ron Paul first grabbed headlines with his very hi-tech internet campaign, which is now easily explained by the fact that his largest constituency is in the computer tech community. It also explains how Paul supporters have perfected the art of “spamming” or “jamming” online polls, creating a false impression of bigger support while invalidating poll after poll. Other tech giants like Microsoft and Verizon top his donors list as well.

Among Ron Paul’s top donor zip codes are of course parts of Texas, but also heavily liberal districts in Chicago (60614), San Francisco (94117), more than 80% of which supports Nancy Pelosi and Barbara Boxer, and Los Angeles – Long Beach, which is his second largest donor area after Dallas.

What we have here is a candidate trying to win the Republican nomination by raising money from liberals across the political aisle.

This is why his fund-raising is not translating to improved poll positions.

His donors are not Republicans. So no matter how much money he raises, it is not translating into Republican support in the polls. He remains at or below 5% support in every national Republican poll, no matter how much money he raises.


11 posted on 11/11/2007 12:49:14 PM PST by KentTrappedInLiberalSeattle ("Ron Paul and his flaming antiwar spam monkeys can Kiss my Ass!!" -- Jim Robinson, 09/30/07)
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To: A CA Guy

Follow the facts first, then comment.

Here’s the problem with his campaign...

http://www.primarilypaul.com/ron-paul-in-the-primaries/


12 posted on 11/11/2007 12:49:19 PM PST by PlainOleAmerican
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To: Tears of a Clown

Not since their main goal is to lose the war on terror and Paul is more likely to do that than Hillary...


13 posted on 11/11/2007 12:50:39 PM PST by PlainOleAmerican
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To: KentTrappedInLiberalSeattle

LOL! Reporting for duty!


14 posted on 11/11/2007 12:51:21 PM PST by alice_in_bubbaland (Ron Paul is nutcase, plain & simple.)
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To: PlainOleAmerican
Man, you opened up a can of worm. Hang on, this is going to fun.


15 posted on 11/11/2007 12:52:29 PM PST by darkwing104 (Let's get dangerous)
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To: PlainOleAmerican

I disagree that Paul is going to have much influence over who is going to be the eventual Republica nominee.

However, I’d much rather Democrats and other leftists waste their money by sending to Ron Paul. Leaves less for Hillary!.


16 posted on 11/11/2007 12:52:33 PM PST by Doohickey (Giuliani: Brokeback Republican)
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To: ari-freedom

Neither Giuliani or Paul should be a Republican nominee...

But only one of them is telling leftists to jump parties to screw up the Republican nomination process.

http://www.primarilypaul.com/ron-paul-in-the-primaries/

If Paul can get enough to do it to keep more conservative Republicans from getting the nomination, that could lock a Giuliani nomination...


17 posted on 11/11/2007 12:52:36 PM PST by PlainOleAmerican
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To: alice_in_bubbaland

This is gonna be a good one. You can just tell. ;)


18 posted on 11/11/2007 12:52:48 PM PST by KentTrappedInLiberalSeattle ("Ron Paul and his flaming antiwar spam monkeys can Kiss my Ass!!" -- Jim Robinson, 09/30/07)
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To: darkwing104

I’m in for the ride...


19 posted on 11/11/2007 12:54:07 PM PST by PlainOleAmerican
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To: PlainOleAmerican
Man, you opened up a can of worm. Hang on, this is going to be interesting.


20 posted on 11/11/2007 12:55:08 PM PST by darkwing104 (Let's get dangerous)
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To: Doohickey

Leftists can send him all the money they want, I like it...

Here’s what I don’t like...

http://www.primarilypaul.com/ron-paul-in-the-primaries/


21 posted on 11/11/2007 12:55:12 PM PST by PlainOleAmerican
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To: PlainOleAmerican
"They CAN botch the RNC nomination process by doing the same things they have been doing to online polls."

I don't buy it. First off from a national standpoint virtually nobody votes in online polls. Thus a very few paulistinians can sit and vote for their guy over and over for hours and influence them. That won't work in primaries where (for the most part) you only get to vote once. Paul's numbers are so infintesimal his kook supporters can't influence jack.

22 posted on 11/11/2007 12:55:14 PM PST by joebuck
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To: PlainOleAmerican

How odd. According to this site, Paul is irrelevant yet dangerous. I wonder how that can be....


23 posted on 11/11/2007 12:56:04 PM PST by Nate505
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To: KentTrappedInLiberalSeattle

LOL....you can say THAT again!


24 posted on 11/11/2007 12:57:10 PM PST by goodnesswins (Being Challenged Builds Character! Being Coddled Destroys Character!)
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To: KentTrappedInLiberalSeattle; PlainOleAmerican

As unstable as RINO Paul is, his supporters are even worse.


25 posted on 11/11/2007 12:57:14 PM PST by wagglebee ("A political party cannot be all things to all people." -- Ronald Reagan, 3/1/75)
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To: joebuck

All they have to do is spam a few of the early primary states with open primaries...

And they have plenty of support across the aisle. Just not in the legitimate Republican Party.


26 posted on 11/11/2007 12:57:24 PM PST by PlainOleAmerican
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To: darkwing104

Worms...

Well that is as good a term as any for Paul supporters...


27 posted on 11/11/2007 12:57:31 PM PST by ejonesie22 (Real voters in real voting booths will elect FDT.)
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To: PlainOleAmerican
There is no Ron Paul problem unless he ran as a third party candidate.

The other issue is the stupid or child minded third party voters/non-voters.
Some people are permanently ignorant and are doomed to repeat their mistakes over and over because they are THAT DUMB.

Look for the self righteous dumb voters to help Hillary by not voting Republican as some moronic version of a protest vote or non-vote.

These people are just plain stupid and don’t get that if you don’t get the Republican in, you get the fire breathing Hillary who will not give us conservative judges, less taxes and less social programs.

Some people are going to be dimwits again and I bet they will boast of their stupidity here on FR after they did it like they believe they were being heroes instead of the morons they really are.

28 posted on 11/11/2007 12:58:19 PM PST by A CA Guy (God Bless America, God bless and keep safe our fighting men and women.)
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To: Nate505

Tampering with the election process at a tiome when elections are desided by only a couple points...

Tampering with the party nomination process... is always dangerous.

http://www.primarilypaul.com/ron-paul-in-the-primaries/


29 posted on 11/11/2007 12:58:40 PM PST by PlainOleAmerican
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To: april15Bendovr; 2CAVTrooper

Ping! ;)


30 posted on 11/11/2007 12:58:46 PM PST by KentTrappedInLiberalSeattle ("Ron Paul and his flaming antiwar spam monkeys can Kiss my Ass!!" -- Jim Robinson, 09/30/07)
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To: PlainOleAmerican

but it’s more likely that the split between Mitt, mccain, fred and Huck will end up with a rudy win. either way, the GOP will not have a candidate that’s soft on terror. It would be a different story if all the dems switched parties just to vote for RP but I doubt they would have the guts to vote for a pro-life Texan who wants to abolish social security just to end a war that we are almost finished with.


31 posted on 11/11/2007 12:58:56 PM PST by ari-freedom (I am for traditional moral values, a strong national defense, and free markets.)
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To: PlainOleAmerican

Hitlery is a Stalinist, not a pacifist. She would love to win a war.


32 posted on 11/11/2007 12:59:30 PM PST by wagglebee ("A political party cannot be all things to all people." -- Ronald Reagan, 3/1/75)
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To: wagglebee
As unstable as RINO Paul is, his supporters are even worse.

Oh, they've been in rare form this weekend, haven't they...? ;)

33 posted on 11/11/2007 1:00:15 PM PST by KentTrappedInLiberalSeattle ("Ron Paul and his flaming antiwar spam monkeys can Kiss my Ass!!" -- Jim Robinson, 09/30/07)
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To: wagglebee

They’re “bi-pauler”....


34 posted on 11/11/2007 1:00:18 PM PST by PlainOleAmerican
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To: PlainOleAmerican

I don’t want you to make RP seem more relevant and powerful than he actually is. If you do that, the MSM will pump him up even more as the “threat to the GOP” It’s best to ignore these guys so that they don’t think too much of themselves


35 posted on 11/11/2007 1:01:52 PM PST by ari-freedom (I am for traditional moral values, a strong national defense, and free markets.)
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To: PlainOleAmerican; KentTrappedInLiberalSeattle

He’s only dangerous if he tars Republicans with the old racist/antisemite tag. As to actual votes, he rarely exceeds the margin of error in any poll. If conservatives votes are split in the primary, it’s a function of multiple quality candidates, all but Guiliani. Paul won’t be a factor, and a 3rd party run will likely draw as much from the left as the right, particularly if a reborn pro-war Hillary is the nominee.


36 posted on 11/11/2007 1:01:53 PM PST by SJackson (every one shall sit in safety under his own vine and figtree, none to make him afraid,)
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To: ejonesie22
Well that is as good a term as any for Paul supporters...

I prefer Cultists...


37 posted on 11/11/2007 1:02:53 PM PST by darkwing104 (Let's get dangerous)
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To: wagglebee
Hitlery is a Stalinist, not a pacifist. She would love to win a war.

Would she ever.

38 posted on 11/11/2007 1:03:01 PM PST by SJackson (every one shall sit in safety under his own vine and figtree, none to make him afraid,)
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To: KentTrappedInLiberalSeattle

I’m sitting back and...waiting.


39 posted on 11/11/2007 1:03:16 PM PST by alice_in_bubbaland (Ron Paul is nutcase, plain & simple.)
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To: KentTrappedInLiberalSeattle

I’ve been out of town all weekend, but the Paulistinians make the Deaniacs from four years ago look stable.


40 posted on 11/11/2007 1:04:12 PM PST by wagglebee ("A political party cannot be all things to all people." -- Ronald Reagan, 3/1/75)
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To: PlainOleAmerican

Facts or assumptions?


41 posted on 11/11/2007 1:04:53 PM PST by DeaconBenjamin
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To: A CA Guy
Wrong...

You have it backwards. If he ran on a third party ticket, he would drain more anti-war votes from Democrats than from Republicans.

As it is, he is looking to hijack the RNC nomination using leftist money and leftist votes to over-ride the legitimate Republican primary vote. At worst, he could be nominated atop the RNC ticket by members of the DNC. (Not likely)

But at best, he can drain off votes from more conservative RNC candidates leaving Rudy atop the nomination. (possible)

No matter how you cut it, it’s dangerous to conservatives. What Republican would support such a thing?

42 posted on 11/11/2007 1:05:01 PM PST by PlainOleAmerican
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To: SJackson

She wants to prove that she has bigger b@lls than her husband/beard.


43 posted on 11/11/2007 1:05:10 PM PST by wagglebee ("A political party cannot be all things to all people." -- Ronald Reagan, 3/1/75)
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To: PlainOleAmerican
After 10 years of freeping, it's really sad to see so many neocons upset about the growing number of young, netwise Republicans who are wildly excited about a dark horse candidate who preaches limited govt and a return to basic constitutional values. How does hate and anger help the cause/help the party? C'mon, folks, the elephant has a big tent, room for everybody here... there are young people all over the country who are getting involved and showing up at Republican events this year because of Ron Paul, instead of mouthing the tired socialist pablum we so often see at college campuses near an election year. Like it or not, there is a contingent of Liberty lovers in the Republican Party, and their ability to recruit younger folks should be valued and appreciated, not ran out of town on a rail of derision. If you disagree with their goals (drug legalization, pullback of troops, etc), at least recognize the value of their method: use the constitution as a guiding light, reduce govt, reduce taxes.

At least those kids aren't out there waving Mao and Che posters.
44 posted on 11/11/2007 1:05:30 PM PST by Mudcat (What would Reagan do?)
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To: ari-freedom

Also a problem, but one that should work itself out within the party, not from across the aisle.


45 posted on 11/11/2007 1:06:54 PM PST by PlainOleAmerican
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To: KentTrappedInLiberalSeattle
As Dondero pointed out, “Ron Paul is only attracting support from the leftwing side of the libertarian spectrum, virtually none of whom are Republicans.”

Which is really odd when you consider that Paul is pro-life, and the left side of the libertarians is usually as militantly pro-choice as the most liberal Democrat. I think it shows the degree to which the militant anti-war left has wedded itself to the Paul campaign as a Trojan horse to try and screw up the Republicans. You really think any of the Code Pinko/Troofer types that walk around their anti-war rallies with "Ron Paul 2008" signs give a damn about Constitutional government or the gold standard? All they hear is "bring the troops home now."

This, to me, is the sad thing about Ron Paul. I don't think the guy's a kook. I like his constant Quixotic fights for constitutional small government, and I agree with many of his domestic positions (though I wish he'd be clearer and more concrete in his positions on his website). But none of that matters because his foreign policy is somewhere between naive and suicidal.

}:-)4

46 posted on 11/11/2007 1:07:49 PM PST by Moose4 (Ron Paul is like a beautiful plate of food ruined by a cow patty.)
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To: ari-freedom; PlainOleAmerican; KentTrappedInLiberalSeattle
ust because there are people willing to throw their money down the toilet doesn’t mean he’s dangerous.
Rudy is the most dangerous to the GOP precisely because he is not an anti-war kook.

It's a double-edged sword. Paul can do to the GOP nomination what Perot did to the national election in 1992 and throw the nomination to Rooty.

47 posted on 11/11/2007 1:07:53 PM PST by wagglebee ("A political party cannot be all things to all people." -- Ronald Reagan, 3/1/75)
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To: Mudcat
a return to basic constitutional values... only not so much.
48 posted on 11/11/2007 1:08:16 PM PST by KentTrappedInLiberalSeattle ("Ron Paul and his flaming antiwar spam monkeys can Kiss my Ass!!" -- Jim Robinson, 09/30/07)
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To: wagglebee

Exactly, but here parties core constituents aren’t.

Code Pink and MoveOn have a different plan and that makes Hillary vulnerable.


49 posted on 11/11/2007 1:08:18 PM PST by PlainOleAmerican
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To: Moose4
Which is really odd when you consider that Paul is pro-life, and the left side of the libertarians is usually as militantly pro-choice as the most liberal Democrat.

They don't want him to win the election, just screw up the GOP.

50 posted on 11/11/2007 1:09:08 PM PST by wagglebee ("A political party cannot be all things to all people." -- Ronald Reagan, 3/1/75)
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