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I Love and Respect My Feminist Mother, But We Can’t Talk
North Star Writers Group ^ | November 12, 2007 | Nancy Morgan

Posted on 11/12/2007 10:32:00 AM PST by ConservativeColumns

My mother is a feminist. A die-hard, take no prisoners, true-blue feminist. Armed with a hard-won PhD., she has made her life's work the counseling of the transgendered, the gay and the sexually confused. Honest work in which she is passionately invested. The only fly in the ointment is me, her conservative daughter.

I am as passionate a conservative as my mother is a feminist. It's hard to imagine two more diametrically opposing viewpoints. I view the current state of feminism as doing more harm than good. As undermining the traditional and family values that I consider the backbone of our country. On the other hand, my mother considers conservative values as outdated, invalid and having absolutely no intrinsic value.

I understand how mom came to be such an ardent feminist. Though I thoroughly disagree with her views, I respect and admire the courage and sacrifices she made in attaining them.

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TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Culture/Society
KEYWORDS: conservative; feminism; feminist; genx
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To: Red Badger; fish hawk; randog; Candor7; GMMAC; RipSawyer; JamesP81; Gaffer; Mad Dawg; BufordP; ...
Hi RedBadger, re your: "I’ve wanted to start an organization called M.A.N. Acronym for Men Against NOW..........Use their tactics against THEM and see how THEY’LL like it!......"

Well, a 'Men's Rights' movement/organization isn't allowed to use the distortion, propaganda, and generally foul tactics used by the feminist movement.

But, as Bill Pyne used to say,"There's great fellowship in a good cause." That would seem to include such groups as mensrightsnews.org, the American Coalition of Fathers and Children (acfc.org) and others. There are whole sectors of the economy to be 'masculinized', i.e. their opportunities made more available to men. And much law to be reformed and made fair to men.

And by the way, how's the Men'sRights Ping List going here at FR? Is there one?

61 posted on 11/12/2007 12:16:57 PM PST by ProCivitas (Duncan Hunter = Pro-Family + Fair Trade = Pro-America. www.gohunter08.com)
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To: Red Badger
All my old girlfriends are feminist (some well known ones).

My wife’s righter than me.

To quote Neal: “George...I win”.

62 posted on 11/12/2007 12:20:57 PM PST by PfromHoGro (Cherish the Farve)
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To: mrs. a
Today, my sisters and I are all expected to do perform the same set of duties - while also holding down full-time jobs.

Oh but surly the 'equal footing with men, and 'fulfilling high-paying jobs are reward enough'. /s
63 posted on 11/12/2007 12:22:07 PM PST by TalonDJ
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To: ProCivitas
...Men'sRights Ping List going here at FR? Is there one?

I don't know, but those other Orgs don't have as cool an acronym as mine.........

64 posted on 11/12/2007 12:24:43 PM PST by Red Badger ( We don't have science, but we do have consensus.......)
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To: SuziQ
She got pregnant at 16, and felt she had to get married. That's all well and good, but then she had four more kids, all the while staying with a man who beat her.

But surely all women were in the same boat as that and surely all of society is to blame and must be changed. And naturally someone so wise and discerning as that is just the person to do the changing.
65 posted on 11/12/2007 12:24:53 PM PST by TalonDJ (This might be sarcastic.)
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To: TigersEye

Sure sounds like it doesn’t it? lmao! I decided that I am doing everything my way & those who don’t like it can get dinner elsewhere!


66 posted on 11/12/2007 12:25:27 PM PST by pandoraou812 ( Its NOT for the good of the children! Its BS along with bending over for Muslim's demands)
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To: driftless2
You make some extremely good points. Feminists act like all men were professionals who were intent on keeping women 'in their place', and it just wasn't true.

I do remember my blue collar Daddy talking about a women who had joined the previously all male 'bull gang' at work. These were the newer workers, and they were given all the crap jobs, digging ditches, heavy work, etc. He was impressed that she worked as hard as the rest of them, and never asked for any special treatment.

One night, after supper, my Daddy picked up the broom and started sweeping the kitchen. My Mama asked him what he was doing, and he said "I'm gonna sweep and mop the kitchen!", like it was something he always did (not). Turns out, he had been chatting with this woman at work, and she'd been complaining that when she got home from work, her lazy husband sat on his butt complaining that his supper wasn't ready and the house wasn't clean enough. She said it never occurred to him that he could HELP her in any way. That made a real impression on Daddy, because by that point, my Mama was working full time because all of us were in school. From that day on, til the day he died, my Mama never swept, or mopped the kitchen after supper, he did. And it wasn't meanness on Daddy's part that he never helped, it just never occurred to him, and she never asked, because she'd always had older kids around to help her. It was just that he became aware of the need by talking to this woman. And she wasn't a feminist or anything, she was just a less fortunate woman looking to make some money for her family.

The brow beating and bitterness toward men on the part of the feminists was never necessary, because, as you said, the change was already in progress. The core leaders of the feminist movement did it to exacerbate the tensions that have always been there between men and women, but were never ugly before. I believe they created the 'movement' just to foment social change in the country, which would lead to increasing socialism, and that's exactly what has happened. By pushing the idea that women don't need men in their lives, they created a whole generation of women who now have to raise kids without benefit of a husband, and without family support like their generation had. Thus the demand for more government programs to help them.

67 posted on 11/12/2007 12:25:30 PM PST by SuziQ
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To: Jersey Republican Biker Chick

“Bet Holiday dinners are fun...”

Silly JRBC, don’t you know that liberals think that Holidays are “tools of the man, used to keep the brothas oppressed” (or some such BS).


68 posted on 11/12/2007 12:28:54 PM PST by exile ("Get off my phone, ya big dope"- The Great One)
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To: driftless2

You’re right in that Gloria Steinem, Bella Abzug and the others never represented all women. But they DID have the ear of the media and pushed their notions into every facet of our lives, schools, print media and TV programming. By always presenting the worst situation for women on a TV show, they manipulated public opinion to their point of view, and created the notion that a majority of women supported the movement.


69 posted on 11/12/2007 12:29:36 PM PST by SuziQ
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To: AppyPappy
100% like my experience. The last one went something like this:

*random chit chat*
Liberal: Bush is an idiot
Me: Oh? Well he does have degrees from Harvard and Yale.
Lib: What? Who? Al Gore? (global warming had been mentioned earlier)
Me: No, Bush. Al Gore flunked out of divinity school.
Lib: *Random incoherent assertions to bush’s stupidity.*
Other more moderate Lib: Ok, no more talking politics this evening.

70 posted on 11/12/2007 12:30:55 PM PST by TalonDJ
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To: Alouette

“I chose a conservative, religious lifestyle and had 9 kids.”

9 Kids!? Somebody get Alouette and her husband some board games or something.


71 posted on 11/12/2007 12:30:56 PM PST by exile ("Get off my phone, ya big dope"- The Great One)
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To: ConservativeColumns

“Maude starred Beatrice Arthur as Maude Findlay, a middle-aged, politically liberal, married woman living in suburban Tuckahoe, Westchester County, New York, who embraced the tenets of women’s liberation, always voted for Democratic Party candidates, strongly supported legal abortion, and advocated, albeit often clumsily, for civil rights and racial and gender equality.”

Offer to take “Maude’ out to the gun range?


72 posted on 11/12/2007 12:31:42 PM PST by tumblindice (Newbies have to fetch the targets--it's tradition.)
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To: SuziQ
The brow beating and bitterness toward men on the part of the feminists was never necessary, because, as you said, the change was already in progress.

It is just that some, rather than work out the issues in their own life, preferred to blame it in society and try to tear it down.
73 posted on 11/12/2007 12:34:23 PM PST by TalonDJ
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To: SuziQ
the results of their poor personal life choices

There's nothing that a lib despises more than having to live with the results of their personal life choices.

Everything "liberal" involves making someone else pay for the results of personal choices.

74 posted on 11/12/2007 12:35:25 PM PST by MrB (You can't reason people out of a position that they didn't use reason to get into in the first place)
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To: Red Badger

“FemiNazism” is why my first wife became a was...as in with “Ex” in front of the word “Wife”, as in divorce. I endured two and one half years of absolutely insane negative Liberalism attempting to find the woman I’d proposed marriage to before it was impossible for me to continue.

Wish she’d have shown her credo’s prior to the “I do’s”. Never saw it coming.

Married a second time for almost thirty years now. Life is good with a lovely positive thinking Conservative lady.


75 posted on 11/12/2007 12:36:01 PM PST by rockinqsranch (Dems, Libs, Socialists...call 'em what you will...They ALL have fairies livin' in their trees.)
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To: ConservativeColumns
she has made her life's work the counseling of the transgendered, the gay and the sexually confused.

First of all there is no such thing as "transgenedered" simply self mutilated.

Secondly, the only counseling that's going to do them any good is making them accept they are mentally ill and work to solve it, not pandering to their narcisstic and abhorant desires.

I highly doubt whatever counselling this man hating feminist is offering these people is doing them much good.

76 posted on 11/12/2007 12:37:35 PM PST by HamiltonJay
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To: TalonDJ

*snort* I’m sure the author’s mother believes JUST that!


77 posted on 11/12/2007 12:38:43 PM PST by SuziQ
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To: rockinqsranch

Geez... didn’t you talk to her before you were married?

I find it hard to believe that she could hide such a belief system.


78 posted on 11/12/2007 12:39:47 PM PST by MrB (You can't reason people out of a position that they didn't use reason to get into in the first place)
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To: Red Badger

I don’t drink much beer but love German wines.


79 posted on 11/12/2007 12:40:43 PM PST by fish hawk (The religion of Darwinism = Monkey Intellect)
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To: Jersey Republican Biker Chick
Bet Holiday dinners are fun

My Uncle (God rest his soul) was a diehard liberal democrat, and my Dad was a Conservative. Whenever we had a family get together, it would invariably degenerate into a heated argument. At times, they would get so passionate that I feared it would come to blows. But at the end, they always shook hands and gave each other hugs before they left.

Politics and family are a strange combination.
80 posted on 11/12/2007 12:41:56 PM PST by reagan_fanatic (Ron Paul put the cuckoo in my Cocoa Puffs)
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