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Advice to young men: Do not marry, do not have children
ENTERSTAGERIGHT ^ | 11/12/2007 | Stephen Baskerville

Posted on 11/13/2007 7:08:30 AM PST by Responsibility2nd

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To: Responsibility2nd

Except for what the gays said, I agree 100% with everything Doctor Baskerville said. It’s all true and I went through it and, yes, I slept in the car.

Today I’m happily married and will stay that way, but when my first marriage blew up, the only way I found out of the mess Dr. Baskerville describes was to help another lawyer make payments on his (fill in the blank: Porsche or whatever).

Divorce is an industry all right, and a profitable one.


41 posted on 11/13/2007 7:28:16 AM PST by RoadTest ("The Lord bringeth the council of the heathen to naught" - Psalm 33, verse 10)
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To: papertyger

Ah! My wife and I adopted from China nine years ago, our first child, after twenty years of marriage. Just so happens the twentieth wedding present is “CHINA”....;-)


42 posted on 11/13/2007 7:28:17 AM PST by azhenfud (The fool hath said in his heart, There is no God.)
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To: nesnah

I’m sorry about your divorce and that your wife is saying bad things about you to the kids. If it is any consolation, I’m a child of divorce, and my mother said bad things about my Dad (nothing too horrible, but she was bitter and inappropriate in the way she talked to us about him). But we stayed loyal to our Dad as well, and every year got smarter and could judge what was what for ourselves.


43 posted on 11/13/2007 7:29:11 AM PST by Greg F (Duncan Hunter is a good man.)
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To: Hacklehead
Feminism destroyed marriage and the family, as many conservatives predicted.

That was the goal.

44 posted on 11/13/2007 7:29:30 AM PST by MrB (You can't reason people out of a position that they didn't use reason to get into in the first place)
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To: Halls
It takes two to end a marriage.

No it doesn't---it only takes one. If your husband decided tomorrow he no longer wanted to be married to you, there's not a damn thing you can do about it. It took me about a year and a half to figure out that you cannot push rope, no matter how hard you try.

45 posted on 11/13/2007 7:29:53 AM PST by Hemingway's Ghost (Spirit of '75)
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To: Responsibility2nd

Well, if A, then certainly B.


46 posted on 11/13/2007 7:29:58 AM PST by BibChr ("...behold, they have rejected the word of the LORD, so what wisdom is in them?" [Jer. 8:9])
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To: Bushwacker777
Whoa man. Those aren't the only two options, especially with todays women who are more than happy to give the milk away for free.

If the wife is truly bad, tape your phone calls with her if its legal in your state and then present her a copy letting her know you will be taking her back to court. Make a real effort to get your kids and don't give up.

I have a good friend who did just this and he now has custody and gets child support.

Men just need to fight with good lawyers and stay cool.

47 posted on 11/13/2007 7:30:06 AM PST by normy (Don't hit at all if it is honorably possible to avoid hitting; but never hit soft.)
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To: kittymyrib
If you have a good marriage and good children, you should thank God every day.

+1 to that.

48 posted on 11/13/2007 7:30:09 AM PST by Ramcat (Thank You American Veterans)
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To: ClearCase_guy
Communist party goal #40, as read into the US Congressional record in 1963: 40. Discredit the family as an institution. Encourage promiscuity and easy divorce.

I remember reading about this. The communists also strongly supported government-run schools. Lenin said, "Give me your children for five years in a a government school, and you'll never get them back again."

49 posted on 11/13/2007 7:30:18 AM PST by American Quilter (The urge to save humanity is nearly always a cover for the urge to rule. - H. L. Mencken)
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To: mad_as_he$$

Sounds like he ruined his own life, certainly the life of his ex wife. I hope he spends the rest of his life in jail where he belongs.


50 posted on 11/13/2007 7:30:31 AM PST by twigs
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To: AFPhys
I greatly hate to say this: Much in this article is very accurate, and worth serious consideration.

Unfortunately Doc, the problem may be much bigger than the author describes. I know quite a few men and women in their early 20's, who are simply scared of getting married for fear that their lives will be ruined by divorce. It is not just the divorce laws, it is also related the combative, trial & error culture that sets men in competition with women in a temporary marriage or live in situation where a lasting commitment plays second to immediate self gratification.

51 posted on 11/13/2007 7:30:52 AM PST by ghostrider
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To: Responsibility2nd
Well, you don't have to marry to establish meaningful relationships...any more than you need a passport to take interesting vacations. Many people seem to be missing the point that today's "government marriage" has devolved into a wealth redistribution tool used by social engineers. In rejecting that structure, society in general and men in particular aren't rejecting the idea of relationships, they are rejecting the idea of government management of relationships.

So go ahead and form good relationships with evolved people...just don't feel the need to tell the State about it. ;)

52 posted on 11/13/2007 7:31:43 AM PST by Mr. Jeeves ("Wise men don't need to debate; men who need to debate are not wise." -- Tao Te Ching)
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To: ByDesign; wardaddy

Amen.

I would add that it’s not “divorce” that has destroyed families, but feminism.

Women have been sold a lie for the last 30 or 40 years that they don’t need men or a family in order to be fulfilled. It’s rubbish.

If a young man wants to marry and have a long-lasting relationship, he needs to find a woman who has rejected Oprah and Lifetime Network and has embraced God as her role model.


53 posted on 11/13/2007 7:31:48 AM PST by ItsOurTimeNow ('Post Tenebras Lux '- It's not a breakfast cereal!)
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To: Hemingway's Ghost

I disagree. It may take one who wants to end the marriage, but how it got to that point was caused by both.


54 posted on 11/13/2007 7:31:48 AM PST by Halls (I hate illegals, I hate socialism, I hate liberals! What else can I say?)
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To: Responsibility2nd
These “Fathers Rights” types really need to take a long hard look at how they screwed up.

Aw, what's wrong? Is 'ums confoosed with the facts?

55 posted on 11/13/2007 7:32:27 AM PST by papertyger (changing words quickly metastasizes into changing facts -- Ann Coulter)
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To: All

I have a son and a daughter. I tell the daughter to get married, and the son to not get married.


56 posted on 11/13/2007 7:32:29 AM PST by null and void (No more Bushes/No more Clintons)
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To: Responsibility2nd

Sorry, but advising men not to marry just because you personally are bitter is nonsense.

Better advice is to advise your sons on the type of woman they should be marrying, and open truth about what marriage is and what it requires.

If a woman is stuck on her needs, don’t marry her.. if she’s stuck on materialism don’t marry her... if she’s stuck on her career don’t marry her... If she views a traditional family and wife and motherhood as evil, don’t marry her.... If she can’t keep a home, don’t marry her.. if she can’t cook, think long and hard before you marry her.

If you as a man are contemplating marriage you as well need to know your needs and desires will come last, especially once the children are born. If you cannot and will not put your family first, don’t get married.... don’t think it will be easy.. don’t be naive and think that love will conquer all. All the love in the world cannot save some relationships.

Certainly you should love your spouse and she should love you, but keep your eyes open. Be pragmatic and practicle and marry a woman who is the same. IF she doesn’t believe in God, and that we all serve a greater purpose and are here for a reason, even if we have no idea personally what it is, don’t marry her.

Finally never ever marry a woman who does not laugh, and that you cannot make laugh, and that cannot make you laugh. If she cannot laugh at herself, run away, run far far away. Life is hard, its full of unpleasantness, with moments of pure joy sprinkled in. Laugher will be the only thin that will get you through the rough spots.

Never be to proud to say I’m sorry when you are, and never marry a woman who is to proud to say she’s sorry when she is. Do not take her for granted, and never marry someone who takes you for granted.

Basically be pragmatic when deciding to get married, not naive and ideolistic. No its no guarantee that you won’t wind up divorced someday.. but you’ll reduce the odds greatly.


57 posted on 11/13/2007 7:32:44 AM PST by HamiltonJay
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To: Responsibility2nd
No fault divorce also puts many women into poverty. The scenario where the 35 year old man turns in his wife for a newer model is all too often real. He decides to play and she is left to raise the kids on a substantially reduced income.

It is much more of a two way street than many here want to admit. No fault divorce is merely a reflection of our present culture, where people are allowed to walk away from their responsibilities with minimal consequences.

Oh, by the way, no fault divorce was not a creation of courts or judges. It was imposed on them by legislatures.

58 posted on 11/13/2007 7:33:14 AM PST by CharacterCounts
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To: Haddit

You’re a very wise father and your children are most fortunate. They will have your wisdom to live by for the rest of their lives. Good on you!


59 posted on 11/13/2007 7:33:30 AM PST by twigs
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To: Responsibility2nd

He sounds like one of those 40+ year olds that marries a 20 year old from Russia....wonder how that will work out....


60 posted on 11/13/2007 7:34:39 AM PST by dakine
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