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Get Kids Vaccinated Or Else, Parents Told
Washington Post ^ | 14 Nov 2007 | Nelson Hernandez

Posted on 11/14/2007 8:32:37 AM PST by my3centseuro

The parents of more than 2,300 Prince George's County students who failed to get needed vaccinations could face fines of $50 a day and up to 10 days in jail if their children do not meet the state's immunization requirements, county officials said yesterday.

The threat of legal action is a last resort after months in which Prince George's has struggled to get its 131,000 students immunized for chicken pox and hepatitis B, as mandated by the state.

More than 2,300 students have not been immunized and have been barred from attending schools, almost two months after a Sept. 20 deadline for meeting the requirement.

"We can do this the easy way or the hard way, but it's got to get done," Prince George's State's Attorney Glenn F. Ivey (D) said at a news conference in Upper Marlboro.

"I'm willing to move forward with legal action." School officials have made calls, sent letters and conducted home visits to make arrangements for free appointments for the needed shots.

But often the students' addresses and phone numbers have been outdated, making contacting them difficult. Other students have received the vaccines but failed to get the necessary booster shots.

The school system turned to the justice system as a final option and received the backing of Circuit Judge William D. Missouri, the county's administrative judge, and Circuit Judge C. Philip Nichols Jr., who handles juvenile matters.

"This is an educational crisis," said R. Owen Johnson Jr., chairman of the school board. "This is a public health and a children's rights issue."

(Excerpt) Read more at washingtonpost.com ...


TOPICS: Culture/Society; News/Current Events; US: District of Columbia; US: Maryland
KEYWORDS: education; govwatch; publichealth; schools; vaccination; vaccinations; vaccines
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1 posted on 11/14/2007 8:32:38 AM PST by my3centseuro
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To: my3centseuro

This is insanity.

How would an unvaccinated kid create a threat to a vaccinated kid?


2 posted on 11/14/2007 8:36:08 AM PST by kailbo
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To: my3centseuro

Just one more reason among so many to Home School. Your kids will be smarter and healthier.


3 posted on 11/14/2007 8:37:39 AM PST by Arcy
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To: kailbo

I think an unvaccinated kid would create a threat to another unvaccinated kid.


4 posted on 11/14/2007 8:38:23 AM PST by rhombus
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To: kailbo

I think there is a possibility you can still catch the disease even if you are vaccinated.

I wonder what they will do about the illegals.


5 posted on 11/14/2007 8:38:36 AM PST by AppyPappy (If you aren't part of the solution, there is good money to be made prolonging the problem.)
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To: my3centseuro

I think if people want their children to attend the government’s schools, they have to follow the government’s rules.


6 posted on 11/14/2007 8:40:55 AM PST by Tax-chick ("How inscrutable are His judgments and how unsearchable His ways!")
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To: AppyPappy

>>I wonder what they will do about the illegals<<

Can’t profile! Despite the fact that illegals are bringing with them all their 3rd world diseases with them.


7 posted on 11/14/2007 8:42:12 AM PST by ItsOurTimeNow ('Post Tenebras Lux '- It's not a breakfast cereal!)
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To: my3centseuro

The chicken pox vaccine wears off after a number of years, and now we have problems with “vaccinated” college kids getting it.

It is better to get your chicken pox as a small fry.

Young children are not normally at risk for hepatitis B, and the first generation of that vaccine had a high rate of nasty side effects, including bowel detachment.


8 posted on 11/14/2007 8:43:56 AM PST by Dr. Sivana (Not a newbie, I just wanted a new screen name.)
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To: my3centseuro
It is a public health and Children's rights issue. And there is some debate as to what those Children's rights actually are. Should they have a right to opt out of the vaccine to avoid certain reactions? While I do support vaccination, it sure doesn't help to know that our education systems is mixed up on this at any level.
9 posted on 11/14/2007 8:45:46 AM PST by DoughtyOne (Mrs Crinton have Pay Feava. There she go now. "Ah Hsu Ahhh Hsu Ah Hsu!" Crintons worth every penny.)
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To: my3centseuro
Prince George's has struggled to get its 131,000 students immunized for chicken pox and hepatitis B, as mandated by the state.

Is the chicken pox shot mandated in most states now?

10 posted on 11/14/2007 8:46:42 AM PST by Tired of Taxes (Dad, I will always think of you.)
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To: my3centseuro

gee I wonder if they are going to make the same demands of illegal immigrants?


11 posted on 11/14/2007 8:47:08 AM PST by mrmargaritaville
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To: AppyPappy
"I wonder what they will do about the illegals."

Nothing. Illegals are a protected class.
12 posted on 11/14/2007 8:48:27 AM PST by LIConFem (Thompson 2008. Lifetime ACU Rating: 86 -- Hunter 2008 (VP) Lifetime ACU Rating: 92)
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To: Tired of Taxes

Yes.

http://www.immunize.org/laws/varicel.htm


13 posted on 11/14/2007 8:49:15 AM PST by Tax-chick ("How inscrutable are His judgments and how unsearchable His ways!")
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To: my3centseuro
I thought chicken pox was was what you got when you were vaccinated against small pox.
14 posted on 11/14/2007 8:50:51 AM PST by HuntsvilleTxVeteran (Remember the Alamo, Goliad and WACO, It is Time for a new San Jacinto)
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To: Dr. Sivana

When I was a kid, we didn’t get too many vaccinations — polio for sure and I think later whooping cough and/or diptheria. I don’t even know if they had chicken pox, mumps or measles vaccines back then. Anyway, I had the pox, measles and mumps — in fact, I had 2 bouts of measles, including the German strain. The nice thing was that once I had them, I never had them again. When you’re a kid and you contract these diseases, you bounce back fairly quickly. I know some who contracted these diseases as adults and suffered greatly.

The only problem is that now I’m hard of hearing. According to some studies, people who have had any or all of the three childhood diseases are at risk for deafness later on in life. Of course, mine could also be due to a lot of loud rock music too. :)


15 posted on 11/14/2007 8:52:09 AM PST by fatnotlazy
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To: Dr. Sivana
The chicken pox vaccine wears off after a number of years, and now we have problems with “vaccinated” college kids getting it. It is better to get your chicken pox as a small fry.

I know people who have chicken pox parties. When one child catches it, they bring their children to visit and catch it so that they won't catch it later in life. I always thought chicken pox parties was a terrible idea. But your comment makes me wonder if they have the right idea after all...

16 posted on 11/14/2007 8:52:34 AM PST by Tired of Taxes (Dad, I will always think of you.)
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To: metmom

Pung


17 posted on 11/14/2007 8:53:18 AM PST by MacDorcha (We have been at war with this mindset since before the Socratic method was borne.)
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To: Trueblackman

PG County Ping.


18 posted on 11/14/2007 8:54:32 AM PST by Vision (" 'Not by might nor by power, but by my Spirit,' says the Lord Almighty." Zechariah 4:6)
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To: Tax-chick

Thanks for the link.


19 posted on 11/14/2007 8:54:52 AM PST by Tired of Taxes (Dad, I will always think of you.)
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To: Tax-chick

I think people need to understand your concept in its fullness -

when you rely on the government to supply a good or service instead of providing it for yourself, you have to live by their dictates.

Think about how this applies to socialized healthcare. EVERY behavior can be deemed to affect the healthcare system, so EVERY behavior will be regulated/controlled.


20 posted on 11/14/2007 8:55:35 AM PST by MrB (You can't reason people out of a position that they didn't use reason to get into in the first place)
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To: Tax-chick

If I pay my school taxes, I should be entitled to send my child to government schools.

My child poses no threat to the vaccinated child, right? He’s vaccinated. He can’t get the disease from my child.


21 posted on 11/14/2007 8:56:26 AM PST by kailbo
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To: AppyPappy
I wonder what they will do about the illegals.

Give them drivers licenses and voter registration cards?

22 posted on 11/14/2007 8:58:23 AM PST by Fresh Wind (Scrape the bottom, vote for Rodham!)
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To: kailbo
My child poses no threat to the vaccinated child, right? He’s vaccinated. He can’t get the disease from my child.

Not always true, my vaccinated daughter got chickenpox from an unvaccinated child. Granted it was a very mild case, but she did get it nonetheless.

23 posted on 11/14/2007 8:59:08 AM PST by Gabz (Don't tell my mom I'm a lobbyist, she thinks I'm a piano player in a whorehouse)
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To: kailbo

You lost me when you used the word “entitled.”


24 posted on 11/14/2007 8:59:16 AM PST by Tax-chick ("How inscrutable are His judgments and how unsearchable His ways!")
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To: MrB
Think about how this applies to socialized healthcare. EVERY behavior can be deemed to affect the healthcare system, so EVERY behavior will be regulated/controlled.

Raucous round of applause! That is exactly where we're going.

25 posted on 11/14/2007 8:59:58 AM PST by Tax-chick ("How inscrutable are His judgments and how unsearchable His ways!")
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To: Gabz

That’s my point.

Vaccinated kids are at risk as well. To mandate any shot that’s not 100% effective, with a chance of side effects is bad policy.


26 posted on 11/14/2007 9:02:14 AM PST by kailbo
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To: Tax-chick

My bad—

wrong word choice.


27 posted on 11/14/2007 9:03:50 AM PST by kailbo
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To: my3centseuro

The shots are free too. What are the reasons for the parents not doing this? They need more information. It is pretty easy to get the shots. My kids get them yearly whatever they need. Last thing I want is for them to get sick because my wife and I did not do our job. One guy at my command was sent back to the states because he refused to give the shots to his kids. Do you think this will hurt his career??? A big possibility.


28 posted on 11/14/2007 9:04:00 AM PST by napscoordinator
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To: kailbo

Parents can opt out of vaccinations for their children by citing religious or philosophical reasons....easy form to fill out and it gets them off your back.

Not sure if this is a state or federally-run opt-out program.


29 posted on 11/14/2007 9:06:33 AM PST by Dasaji (The U.S.A. is the Land of Opportunity and you've got 50 states to do it in!)
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To: napscoordinator

www.909shot.com.com

National vaccine information center.

It’s a site worth the time.


30 posted on 11/14/2007 9:07:20 AM PST by kailbo
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To: my3centseuro

What legitimate excuse could parents have for not getting their child immunized?


31 posted on 11/14/2007 9:07:31 AM PST by Poundstone
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To: kailbo
"This is insanity."

I think it's great news.

The more oppressive and demanding the state becomes, the fewer students will attend, the more likely the public schools will wither away or even collapse. Can't ask for more than that.

32 posted on 11/14/2007 9:07:54 AM PST by Bonaparte
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To: my3centseuro
chicken pox and hepatitis B

Let's see. Tossing parents in jail for not getting their kids a vaccine for, respectively:

1) A disease that's virtually harmless when you get it, for which the vaccine doesn't work, long-term.

2) A disease that you can't get unless you take recreational drugs intravenously or get sodomized on a regular basis. A vaccination against HepB wouldn't be a necessary precaution for most kids.

But the important thing is that numerous local contractors depend for their income on giving vaccines and boosters against trivial or obscure diseases, and public school children represent a key market segment. So their contacts and friends on the school board and the local family court bar have no choice but to stand in solidarity with them.

33 posted on 11/14/2007 9:08:16 AM PST by SamuraiScot
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To: Dasaji

It is state run and rules vary state to state.


34 posted on 11/14/2007 9:08:24 AM PST by kailbo
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To: kailbo

That should be only one .com


35 posted on 11/14/2007 9:09:18 AM PST by kailbo
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To: kailbo

I am perfectly happy that she only had a mild case, something the pediatrician had told me was very possible. I knew that, and still chose to have her immunized, and at that particular point in time it had nothing to do with state mandates for school.

I chose to chance her still getting a mild case, possibly at a young age, as opposed to getting them at the age of 13 as I did when such a vaccine was not available.


36 posted on 11/14/2007 9:09:22 AM PST by Gabz (Don't tell my mom I'm a lobbyist, she thinks I'm a piano player in a whorehouse)
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To: kailbo

Thanks! I will look at it. It is not going to make me regret getting these shots for my kids is it????? Yieks!


37 posted on 11/14/2007 9:09:53 AM PST by napscoordinator
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To: Dr. Sivana

and Lupus Nephritis and SLE and..


38 posted on 11/14/2007 9:10:09 AM PST by fooman (Get real with Kim Jung Mentally Ill about proliferation)
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To: rhombus

There is a phenomenon in microbiological immunology called “Herd Immunity”. When ‘MOST’ of a group are immunized, not all, but most, it seems to confer protection to the entire group. This is not to say the unimmunized party is specifically protected, but more relates to the probability that they will not be infected because most people will not carry the infectouos agent and they will have less exposure. That is the theory.


39 posted on 11/14/2007 9:10:11 AM PST by Texas Songwriter
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To: Arcy

Just one more reason among so many to Home School. Your kids will be smarter and healthier.

In PA, you are still subjected to the District’s health and testing guidelines. . .kids have to have dr./dental exams at certain ages and you have to submit a form you had it done. Stadardized testing is also still required.

So, even if you homeschool, The State still has a few claws in your children.


40 posted on 11/14/2007 9:11:08 AM PST by Dasaji (The U.S.A. is the Land of Opportunity and you've got 50 states to do it in!)
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To: my3centseuro

This is NOT new.


41 posted on 11/14/2007 9:11:12 AM PST by Unassuaged (I have shocking data relevant to the conversation!)
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To: my3centseuro

So much for opting out.....

You knew that option would go sooner or later.


42 posted on 11/14/2007 9:11:14 AM PST by metmom (Welfare was never meant to be a career choice.)
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To: my3centseuro

Where I live it is all local school districtsrun by locals and funded by local votes. No votes for levies, no funds.

If they tried this here there would be a revolt.


43 posted on 11/14/2007 9:11:45 AM PST by Anonymous Rex ( For Rent)
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To: Gabz

ping


44 posted on 11/14/2007 9:12:09 AM PST by metmom (Welfare was never meant to be a career choice.)
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To: HuntsvilleTxVeteran

“I thought chicken pox was was what you got when you were vaccinated against small pox.”

You are thinking of cowpox.


45 posted on 11/14/2007 9:12:28 AM PST by Unassuaged (I have shocking data relevant to the conversation!)
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To: DaveLoneRanger; 2Jedismom; aberaussie; Aggie Mama; agrace; Antoninus; arbooz; bboop; bill1952; ...

ANOTHER REASON TO HOMESCHOOL

This ping list is for the “other” articles of interest to homeschoolers about education and public school. If you want on/off this list, please freepmail me. The main Homeschool Ping List by DaveLoneRanger handles the homeschool-specific articles. This is becoming a fairly high volume list.
46 posted on 11/14/2007 9:12:43 AM PST by metmom (Welfare was never meant to be a career choice.)
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To: Poundstone
"What legitimate excuse could parents have for not getting their child immunized?"

A lot of people have learned to distrust the health care system. Go figure, but they don't want treatment of any kind forced on themselves or their children. Somehow, they got the notion that they are free adult Americans who can make their own choices about what's best for their families and what will be put into their children's bodies.

47 posted on 11/14/2007 9:13:03 AM PST by Bonaparte
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To: abclily; aberaussie; albertp; AliVeritas; Amelia; AnAmericanMother; andie74; AVNevis; bannie; ...

Public Education Ping

This list is for articles relating to public education. mcvey and republican professor have asked me to take over the list. If you want on or off this ping list, please FReepmail me.
48 posted on 11/14/2007 9:13:20 AM PST by metmom (Welfare was never meant to be a career choice.)
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To: Gabz
Not always true, my vaccinated daughter got chickenpox from an unvaccinated child.

So, we would have to conclude that the chicken-pox vaccine is exactly how useful?

And therefore, why is the vaccine preferable to actually getting the disease, which—unlike the vaccine—effectively confers immunity to future infection?

49 posted on 11/14/2007 9:14:06 AM PST by SamuraiScot
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To: MrB

And all will become one with the BORG! (Except of course those who correctly chose to leave).


50 posted on 11/14/2007 9:14:07 AM PST by glide625
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