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Honda Unveils Production Fuel Cell Vehicle: FCX Clarity
www.greencarcongress.com ^ | 11/14/2007 | Jack Rosebro

Posted on 11/14/2007 2:54:22 PM PST by Red Badger

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Get yourself a Honda!............
1 posted on 11/14/2007 2:54:23 PM PST by Red Badger
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To: Uncledave

ping!.....


2 posted on 11/14/2007 2:54:43 PM PST by Red Badger ( We don't have science, but we do have consensus.......)
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To: Red Badger

Cool technology. Looks like an overturned turtle, though.


3 posted on 11/14/2007 2:56:53 PM PST by reagan_fanatic (Ron Paul put the cuckoo in my Cocoa Puffs)
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To: Red Badger

Kinda strange that Honda is taking the lead over Toyota on this. I thought their Chairman was kind of ragging on Hybrids as a cyclical fad a year or two ago.

I love my Honda Hybrid. I really hate these lease arrangements, though. They can take the car back without a purchase option, just like they did with their electrics a while back.


4 posted on 11/14/2007 2:59:50 PM PST by Wiseghy ("You want to break this army? Then break your word to it.")
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To: Red Badger

thanks, bfl


5 posted on 11/14/2007 3:00:46 PM PST by neverdem (Call talk radio. We need a Constitutional Amendment for Congressional term limits. Let's Roll!)
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To: Red Badger

When they are as large as an American SUV with the same power, they will have something.


6 posted on 11/14/2007 3:03:02 PM PST by bmwcyle (BOMB, BOMB, BOMB,.......BOMB, BOMB IRAN)
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To: Wiseghy

Is it a lease only option? You can’t buy to own?


7 posted on 11/14/2007 3:05:53 PM PST by Blue Highway
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To: Wiseghy

Also where does one get their tank filled up with hydrogen?


8 posted on 11/14/2007 3:06:41 PM PST by Blue Highway
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To: Red Badger
the stack can start at temperatures as low as -22° Farenheit

Generally this vehicle will work from June through August in Fairbanks. Use in other months will be intermittent.

9 posted on 11/14/2007 3:09:24 PM PST by RightWhale (anti-razors are pro-life)
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To: Wiseghy
” I really hate these lease arrangements, though. They can take the car back without a purchase option, just like they did with their electrics a while back.”

It seems that Honda is assuming all the risks inherent in a new technology, through the leases. It’s better to pay a flat amount, than assume an unknown amount of risk. Even if the vehicle worked perfectly, you’d be at risk for technological advances that could hammer the resale value. It’s likely that fuel cells will be more powerful, more efficient, more reliable, and cheaper in three years -- which would make older vehicles worth a lot less. Buy when the technology has matured a bit, and has a track record of reliability.

10 posted on 11/14/2007 3:09:25 PM PST by USFRIENDINVICTORIA
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To: RightWhale

I was thinking the same thing. I probably live in the only area of Canada where it would work — at least without some sort of pre-heater.


11 posted on 11/14/2007 3:10:35 PM PST by USFRIENDINVICTORIA
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You can’t buy to own?

Most customers wouldn't want to own. By the time three years have passed the technology would have moved on and this would be obsolete.

12 posted on 11/14/2007 3:11:19 PM PST by RightWhale (anti-razors are pro-life)
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To: USFRIENDINVICTORIA

The hybrids have been working just fine year round though. Mileage is off just a tad when it is 40 below.


13 posted on 11/14/2007 3:13:46 PM PST by RightWhale (anti-razors are pro-life)
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To: Blue Highway

Presumably, the dealership will have a filling station. Other than that, your options will probably be pretty limited.

By coincidence, I live only a mile away from the Southern California Air Quality Monitoring Division office in Diamond Bar, which has hydrogen. I have no idea what it costs.

$600/mo is still a pretty pricey lease for an econobox, though. I could lease a Lexus RX400 hybrid for that.


14 posted on 11/14/2007 3:15:35 PM PST by Kellis91789 (Liberals aren't atheists. They worship government -- including human sacrifices.)
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To: Red Badger

Looks like some sort of large scale test.. Car looks okay.. I’d like to know the performance numbers.

Good for Honda.. But, chances are, this is all a PR campaign....


15 posted on 11/14/2007 3:15:56 PM PST by tje
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To: USFRIENDINVICTORIA

“Buy when the technology has matured a bit, and has a track record of reliability.”

Excellent Point on risk taking. That’s interesting.

My ‘03 hybrid in CA could be sold for almost what I bought it for. However, that’s mostly because it has those coveted diamond lane stickers on it. They only gave away 45k of them. They add about $4k or more to resale, or so I’m told.


16 posted on 11/14/2007 3:17:41 PM PST by Wiseghy ("You want to break this army? Then break your word to it.")
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To: USFRIENDINVICTORIA

That all sounds pretty logical.

But it cut no ice with all the cry babies when GM took back the GM EV1 at the end of their leases.

Hopefully, Honda will decide to continue with new models after this introductory vehicle and its lease-only aspect.


17 posted on 11/14/2007 3:21:54 PM PST by Kellis91789 (Liberals aren't atheists. They worship government -- including human sacrifices.)
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To: Blue Highway

at the Lawrence Livermore Laboratory in Calif.


18 posted on 11/14/2007 3:26:40 PM PST by fish hawk (The religion of Darwinism = Monkey Intellect)
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To: Red Badger
Wonderful...whats the equivalent gas mileage in bbls of crude when power generation and hydrogen production are included...probably not so hot.
19 posted on 11/14/2007 3:29:01 PM PST by Dead Dog
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To: Red Badger
For the Clarity, Honda has replaced the ultra-capacitors used in the FCX Concept with a lithium-ion battery pack.

Why does this not seem like a good idea? 

Lithium-Ion Batteries Linked to Airplane Fires

20 posted on 11/14/2007 3:55:06 PM PST by Phsstpok (When you don't know where you are, but you don't care, you're not lost, you're exploring!)
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