Posted on 11/15/2007 7:06:55 PM PST by Doctor Raoul
As I said at the GOE rally, the Iraq Veterans Against The War are out to smear this generation of military as "babykillers" the way their mentors the Vietnam Veterans Against the War did during the Vietnam era. Once again, our country needs Winter Soldiers. We Support the Troops Who Oppose the War In 1969, the My Lai massacre helped fuel popular opposition to the The U.S. Government lied to get us into war and continues to conceal
Don't let the Vietnam Veterans Against the War call TWO generations of vets "babykillers".
But I never expected that they'd give away their intent by calling it "Winter Soldier" just like their mentors.
Winter Soldier was a series of 109 interviews that were turned into a book and film. According to B.G. Burkett's investigation of Winter Soldier in his book Stolen Valor, many were phony soldiers that never served, others like VVAW leader Al Hubbard served but not in Vietnam, John Kerry served in Vietnam but not in Cambodia during Christmas under orders from Nixon as claimed and others served in Vietnam but had their stories refuted by others.
The Iraq Veterans Against the War ARE the NeoJohns, the Kerry Wannabes and they were mentored by the Vietnam Veterans Against the War, in particular VVAW leaders David Cline and Bill Perry.
There's the direct links to their the web pages at the bottom of this excerpt: In 1971, over one hundred members of Vietnam Veterans Against the War
gathered in Detroit to share their stories with America. Atrocities
like the My Lai massacre had ignited popular opposition to the war,
but political and military leaders insisted that such crimes were
isolated exceptions. The members of VVAW knew differently.
Over three days in January, these soldiers testified on the systematic
brutality they had seen visited upon the people of Vietnam. They
called it the Winter Soldier investigation, after Thomas Paine's
famous admonishing of the "summer soldier" who shirks his duty
during difficult times. In a time of war and lies, the veterans who
gathered in Detroit knew it was their duty to tell the truth.
Over thirty years later, we find ourselves faced with a new war. But
the lies are the same. Once again, American troops are sinking into
increasingly bloody occupations. Once again, war crimes in places
like Haditha, Fallujah, and Abu Ghraib have turned the public
against the war. Once again, politicians and generals are blaming
"a few bad apples" instead of examining the military policies that
have destroyed Iraq and Afghanistan.
In March of 2008, Iraq Veterans Against the War will gather in our
nation's capital to break the silence and hold our leaders
accountable for these wars. We hope you'll join us, because yours
is a story that every American needs to hear.
Click here to sign a statement of support for Winter Soldier: Iraq & Afghanistan
Vietnam War. U.S. political and military leaders insisted that such
crimes were isolated exceptions. Members of Vietnam Veterans
Against the War knew differently.
In January of 1971, over one hundred Vietnam Veterans gathered in
Detroit to testify their experiences to America. Their testimony,
called the Winter Soldier Investigation, revealed that atrocities
were systemic and responsibility laid at the highest levels of
government.
the true nature of military occupation.
On the weekend of 13-15 March, 2008, Iraq Veterans Against the War will
assemble history's largest gathering of US veterans of Iraq and
Afghanistan, as well as Iraqi and Afghan survivors. They will
provide first hand accounts of their experiences and reveal the
truth of occupation.
We support Iraq Veterans Against the War and their Winter Soldier: Iraq
& Afghanistan Investigation. Join us in supporting the effort to
reveal truth in the way that only those who lived it can.
Download and save the Winter Soldier Questionnaire and the Winter Soldier Evidence form PDF files.
Contact every veteran you know, especially Vietnam vets, and help put a stop to their plans to smear this generation by exposing IVAW as the VVAW's Junior Varsity.
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trooprally, need your ping list on this.
Pass the word.
Doctor Raoul, can I post it on my blog?
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More lies from the 1960s grave.
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I heard that all of the leaders of this “Winter Soldier II” movement were murderers, drug addicts, rapists, pedophiles, and guilty of many other unsavory, illegal, and immoral acts.
It’s just a matter of getting maybe a million or two people to send written attestations to those facts, using whatever stories, names, addresses, and methods they find most suitable to the occasion.
It’ll take them 3 or 4 years to verify or reject all of those attestations.
“In March of 2008, Iraq Veterans Against the War will gather in our
nation’s capital to break the silence and hold our leaders
accountable for these wars. We hope you’ll join us, because yours
is a story that every American needs to hear.”
Oh, I’ll be there, but not on your side of the street!!
TRAITOR SCUM
I dont think honest and reasonable Americans will buy into this crap as much this time. The Dems and the liberals have proven to be quite bufoonish. However, the seditious folks need to be called out..
Thank you for the post. I’ll pass it on.
Iraq Veterans Against the War P.O. Box 8296 Philadelphia, PA 19101 (215) 241-7123, ivaw@ivaw.org Name:_________________________________ Address:__________________________________________ Phone:______________________ Email:________________________________ Date of Birth:____________ Occupation:______________________ Military Training:__________________________________________ Unit(s):_______________________________ MOS (including title):________________________________ Duty Period(s):__________________________Decorations:________________________________________ Numbers of Tours (if any): ____Iraq ____Afghanistan ____ Other; please specify______________ .AO:___________. DD214 (Check one): ____in IVAW records ____Attached ___Will Provide (No veterans or military personnel will be able to testify without a DD214 or military ID.) Do you have any documentation, including photos, videos, military orders, SOPs, memos or any relevant documentation?____________________________________________________________ Are there people whom IVAW can contact to corroborate your accounts? If so, please list names and contact information:______________________________________________________________________________ ________________________________________________________________________________________ POINTS TO COVER WHEN COLLECTING TESTIMONY Individual soldiers should not be scapegoated for policies designed at the highest levels of government. Instead, the responsibility for war crimes should be placed where it truly belongs—upon the politicians, generals, corporations, think tanks, and universities that devise and control military policy. As much collecting of testimony as is possible must be done in person, because many veterans are still confused and guilty about what they did or saw over there; only through personal contact can their questions and fears be adequately resolved. Emphasize that they are not alone in what they witnessed and that we are all having a hard time adjusting to this society after experiencing this insanity. Only through openly talking about it are we ever going to be able to readjust ourselves and find solutions. Some veterans might ask why we are not investigating insurgent atrocities. First, we only know the ins and outs of our government’s policies. Second, and most important, we recognize that small-scale individual-type atrocities occur in all wars. This investigation is designed to demonstrate that our policies (stated and unstated) are, in fact, genocidal (and illegal) in nature, i.e., the destruction of the Iraqi and Afghan people, culture, and infrastructure. Veterans should give as much detail as possible concerning dates, places, and units involved. However, we are not interested in naming individual soldiers, since that looks like we are trying to scapegoat them. Remember: this is not going to be a trial but simply a presentation of war crimes testimony, for the purpose of awakening the world as to where the responsibilities for war crimes lay. Use the questions to get a general idea, and then use a blank sheet or the back of the questionnaire for a more detailed explanation of the testimony. Ask the veteran to sign it when you’re done. Always ask if there is anything else that the veteran might like to talk about that had been left out. If there are any questions that you can’t answer, say so and contact the national office; we will try to get the answer. Always ask veterans if they have any photos, videos, or any other materials that might be useful in presenting their testimony. Try to get the names, addresses, phone numbers, and email addresses of corroborating witnesses when possible. Try to get the veteran to call his/her buddies to see if they are interested in participating in the investigation. If you should come across any questions that you feel are missing on the questionnaire, please add them to your list and notify us. Watch out for the line “I don’t have anything, just S.O.P stuff”—only to find out that this means small kills teams, baiting civilians into a sniper trap—de facto unit policy. We’ll have info on housing, food, and transportation as each of those is secured.
Iraq Veterans Against the War P.O. Box 8296 Philadelphia, PA 19101 (215) 241-7123, ivaw@ivaw.org Would you like to present this information anonymously? Yes/No? Name:_________________________________ Address:__________________________________________ Phone:______________________ Email:________________________________ Date of Birth:____________ Occupation:______________________ Military Training:__________________________________________ Unit(s):_______________________________ MOS (including title):________________________________ Duty Period(s):__________________________Decorations:________________________________________ Numbers of Tours (if any): ____Iraq ____Afghanistan ____ Other; please specify______________ .AO:___________. DD214 (Check one): ____in IVAW records ____Attached ___Will Provide (No veterans or military personnel will be able to testify without a DD214 or military ID). Do you have any documentation, to include photos, videos, military orders , SOPs, memos or any relevant documentation?____________________________________________________________ Are there people whom IVAW can contact to corroborate your accounts? If so please list names and contact information:______________________________________________________________________________ ________________________________________________________________________________________ Please include information that indicates the dates and locations presented in this material as well as the units and commanders involved if they are O-4/E-8 or above. If you are sending a large amount of material please provide instructions on what you feel is most important Is there anything else you would like us to know or that you think is important? Do you have friends that can provide similar evidence? If so, please help us get in contact with them. Is any evidence provided classified?
Maybe this time these scumbags can round up a “baby killer” who actually made it out of BCT.
This hideous event will likely coincide with the court martial of LCpl Stephen Tatum for the incident in Haditha.
These morons own the Haditha "massacre" lock, stock, and barrel and will never admit that it never took place--no matter how much evidence comes out or how many Marines are exonerated.
DD214’s up.
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AH...Baby killers. I kinda miss those days.
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The irony is that leftists of all stripes are the real "babykillers." After all, they have been killing American babies since 1973.
Can we expect them to protest the Baby Killers at Planned Parenthood too?
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This could be fun. We can turn it against Kerry et al., plus the phonies from today!
Thanks for the pings.
We all know it’s completely up to us as patriots to refute
these horrible lies! The internet can do what the Has-been
media won’t!
That tool wasn’t available during VietNam, unfortunately, or
the outcome would have been much, much different!
You’re right, Luv. The info-war is raging, and we cannot sit back and ignore it.
This is despicable. Yet I am not surprised. The enemy lives among us and sneers at our love of God and country.
It makes me sick.
To be added to the Murtha Watch ping list please notify myself or RedRover.
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These guys need to meet the real Winter Soldier.
Bump for tomorrow...
>> >> POINTS TO COVER WHEN COLLECTING TESTIMONY
>> >> Individual soldiers should not be scapegoated for
>> >> policies designed at the highest levels of government.
This is such crap. They’re manufacturing scapegoats.
These vile, repprehensible people with their vile, reprehensible activities show that merely having served in teh military does not necessarily prevent you from being anti-American.
Logan’s Prayer Warriors....this is NOT my typical prayer ping, although, our Vets could use prayer...
I’m pinging you to call attention to what certain elements of our society are doing, again as during the Viet Nam war, to the current vets.
Please be aware. Please fight it when you can...please pray for them.
Thanks, Dr. Raoul...
Thanks Brad’s Gramma,here’s a bump.
Blood-boiling ping!
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Sure hope this is warmer than last year’s GoE I.
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