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The dollar's in decline. Great news!
The Times (London) ^ | November 23, 2007 | Gerard Baker

Posted on 11/22/2007 6:59:12 PM PST by PotatoHeadMick

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To: lonestar67

Not only more export, but less export competition for business that only supply the domestic market. For example, Canadian and Mexican ag is less a factor for US farmers now.


21 posted on 11/22/2007 7:36:19 PM PST by Professional
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To: Professional; Hydroshock
When the current party ends, the us dollar, us stocks, and us bonds will be the place the world turns to for safety and calm.

What? Do you mean they'll turn to the world's remaining superpower and strongest economy for their investments? Shocking.

Let's see what all the doom and gloomers have to say. Good article.

22 posted on 11/22/2007 7:36:35 PM PST by groanup (Lawyers never create anything, especially wealth, but they sure steal a lot of it.)
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To: Brilliant

That savings rate does not include 401k plans, other employer sponsored plans. If you factored that into the national savings rate, you’d see a different picture altogether.


23 posted on 11/22/2007 7:37:52 PM PST by Professional
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To: PotatoHeadMick

It is good news! A stronger manufacturing base will strengthen our Nation. And here’s some related news for a grin.

Why Wait? More Stores Open for Thanksgiving Shoppers
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1929467/posts


24 posted on 11/22/2007 7:39:29 PM PST by familyop (Roma est perdita)
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To: groanup

Yes, when the get rich quick schemes fail, we’ll more than likely see some renewed interest in companies that have real earnings, with decent valuations. You can’t blame investors overseas for avoiding the US market, despite valuations that are at buying levels, the currency factor has pretty much kept them out of here. Eventually the US dollar will strengthen, and a very sudden up move should ensue?


25 posted on 11/22/2007 7:42:21 PM PST by Professional
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To: Professional
That savings rate does not include 401k plans, other employer sponsored plans.

I've read that enough times to believe it to be true, but what is the rationale? Can you explain the underlying methodology?

26 posted on 11/22/2007 7:47:09 PM PST by sphinx
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To: Professional
That savings rate does not include 401k plans, other employer sponsored plans. If you factored that into the national savings rate, you’d see a different picture altogether.

Nor does it include premium products such as life insurance cash values and annuities does it? How about people who make regular payments into mutual funds?

27 posted on 11/22/2007 7:48:28 PM PST by groanup (Lawyers never create anything, especially wealth, but they sure steal a lot of it.)
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To: goldstategop
Considering that until tonight the record low was just barely under 75 then this is quite a big deal: Also the Euro is hitting almost 1.50 to the dollar.


28 posted on 11/22/2007 7:50:53 PM PST by Revel
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To: sphinx

Seems as stupid as not including food and energy in the inflation number.

I’m going to guess, that the reason why it is not counted, is the limited ability to access the funds. So, yes, the money can’t be used as savings for near term emergencies/needs/desires, but it certainly goes a long way to fund retirement? Since most Americans will live longer as retirees, than as productive workers, it seems only logical that Americans do save a significant amount of discretionary income for this cause. Also, the tax advantages and corporate matches make the decision pretty easy too.

A large 401k balance, also creates consumer confidence. Obviously if you feel financially secure for retirement, then the idea of spending some money on luxury items, entertainment seems normal.


29 posted on 11/22/2007 7:51:02 PM PST by Professional
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To: Professional
Eventually the US dollar will strengthen, and a very sudden up move should ensue?

Maybe. That market is so vast and liquid that sudden, gap moves of immense proportion are rare. It will, IMHO, be a prolonged upward move that could last for years.

30 posted on 11/22/2007 7:52:09 PM PST by groanup (Lawyers never create anything, especially wealth, but they sure steal a lot of it.)
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To: groanup

I didn’t know about insurance, but that’s pretty interesting. Are you sure about mutual funds? I also don’t think they include investment into r/e, the equity that is created within that holding.

Frankly, who wants a developed economy, only putting money into bank products? That is hardly good for economic growth is it?


31 posted on 11/22/2007 7:53:47 PM PST by Professional
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To: goldstategop
For those who need perpective:


You all just keep dreaming that this is good for you.
32 posted on 11/22/2007 7:55:00 PM PST by Revel
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To: groanup

The USD move down sure has been a big one! Looking at a long term chart, the USD took a massive plunge back in the very early 80s, coincides with the Reagan bull market. Just a hunch, but when the dollar does turn, it will be very sharp, last a long time. I base this on the amount of money that is at the disposal of speculators, and their stated intentions of doing a complete trade reversal, going from short to long. Either way, I can’t see this current economic connundrum lasting much longer, something’s got to give, and very soon. Will be very interesting to see what consumer spending forecasts are like after this holiday w/e?


33 posted on 11/22/2007 7:57:16 PM PST by Professional
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To: Revel

Hey, if you owe money, does not a discounted dollar mean a discounted payment, principal?

Ask Airbus how they feel about their “strong” currency. You can already hear the foreign govts screaming unfair/foul at the fed policy that is creating this weak dollar...

Yes, there are some drawbacks, but the big one, spiking costs of borrowing, are not in the mix right now.


34 posted on 11/22/2007 7:59:38 PM PST by Professional
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To: Professional

Hey Air bus is hurting. But you know what. So is every American that actually has savings. The day may come soon when it costs $1000.00 for a loaf of bread. Just ask other country’s that have gone down this road.


35 posted on 11/22/2007 8:03:24 PM PST by Revel
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To: PotatoHeadMick

Dollars are ounces. if you make them smaller, you just count out more to make your pie.


36 posted on 11/22/2007 8:03:26 PM PST by donmeaker (You may not be interested in War but War is interested in you.)
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To: Professional
Even though they aren't supposed to do it a lot of life insurance products are sold as retirement savings (the so called "living benefit" of the policy). Illustrations abound showing periodic payments into variable life policies (the policies that acutally have "sub accounts" ((mutual funds)) in them growing exponentially for a period of years until you want to borrow it out "tax free" yippee!!)

Many people are making periodic payments into variable and fixed annuities also. These are purely retirement products.

As for mutual funds, I can't tell you how many times I have had mutual funds wired into accounts that I am taking over that have a history of periodic payments. I know because we have a hell of a time figuring out the basis for possible future sale.

Bank products are eaten up by inflation and taxes. There are many products out there that are sold as alternatives explicity to taxable CD's. And, no I don't think home equity is included. Even though a lot of seniors downsize and take out equity to retire on.

37 posted on 11/22/2007 8:03:45 PM PST by groanup (Lawyers never create anything, especially wealth, but they sure steal a lot of it.)
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To: Mr. K

Oh, yes. And even better, outsourcing or even relocating to foreign countries (something that many FReepers go ballistic over) becomes more and more unattractive to American companies as the dollar falls. In fact, companies in other countries will outsource their work to the US as being more economical for them. So a falling dollar means more American jobs.

Even worse for our trading partner China - a falling dollar means that their products are therefore less desirable.


38 posted on 11/22/2007 8:07:45 PM PST by Spktyr (Overwhelmingly superior firepower and the willingness to use it is the only proven peace solution.)
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To: Professional
can’t see this current economic connundrum lasting much longer, something’s got to give, and very soon.

I got wind of a Goldman Sachs report to its clients about a month ago. They said the same thing. Currency RSI's show extremely overbought. Sell.

They were a month early SO FAR but probably right on the major direction very soon.

39 posted on 11/22/2007 8:07:55 PM PST by groanup (Lawyers never create anything, especially wealth, but they sure steal a lot of it.)
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To: Professional
That's a plausible theory. I suspect another reason people save less (outside of their retirement plans) is the prevalence of two-income families among middle and upper-middle income families. Apart from retirement, the most important reason to save is to provide a cushion against emergencies, especially job loss. Nowadays, however, the working spouse is the safety net. Folks have a lot more hang time than they used to.

The third traditional reason to save was for a big purchase, but today we just put it on a credit card.

40 posted on 11/22/2007 8:07:56 PM PST by sphinx
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