Hispanic vote gaining importance at local, national levels

Chattanooga Times Free Press ^ | November 23, 2007 | Perla Trevizo

[Travis McGee]

Azzztlan keeps growing and growing, thanks to the OBL Quislings in govt.

U.S. Constitution, Article 4 Section 4:

"The United States shall guarantee to every State in this Union a Republican Form of Government,

and shall protect each of them against Invasion;"

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Invasion: \In*va"sion\, n. [L. invasio: cf. F. invasion. See Invade.] [1913 Webster]

1. The act of invading; the act of encroaching upon the rights or possessions of another; encroachment; trespass.

QUISLING: a synonym for traitor, someone who collaborates with the invaders of his country.

Current federal law 8USC 1373(a) PROHIBITS SANCTUARY CITIES. It reads as follows:

"Notwithstanding any other provision of federal, state, or local law, a federal, state, or local government entity or official may not prohibit, or in any way restrict any government entity or official from sending to, or receiving from, the Immigration and Naturalization Service information regarding the citizenship or immigration status, lawful or unlawful, of any individual."

[stephenjohnbanker]

“The Georgia Association of Latino Elected Officials recently released a report that states the Latino electorate in Georgia is growing at “astounding rates.”

Legal? I doubt it.

[stephenjohnbanker]

When will that ever happen?

[Cacique]

Firs we need to get rid if the terms HISPANIC and LATINO. It describes absolutely nothing. 60+% of the so called hispanic population in this country is Mexican-American. The rest are Mostly Puerto Rican, Dominican and South American and the only thing we have in common is we all can speak Spanish.

Trying to lump us all together describes nothing. It would be like saying that the rest of the United States must be made up of Anglos. It's a reflection of either laziness or an attempt by the liberal elites to invent another group in need of entitlements. Just as Anglo describes nothing, neither does Hispanic. We ought to make efforts at forcing the media and demographers into making distinctions.

[beaversmom]

They won’t need us at all before long, except to pay the bills!

8 or so years ago, my husband worked with a young Mexican American. He was gloating to my husband about all the Mexicans coming into the United States--how the Mexicans were taking over. My husband shot back at him, "Well, if that happens, who's going to pay for all the welfare?". From what my husband said, that retort teed him off pretty good.

[OKIEDOC]

Yesterday at Wal-Mart there was a young man sitting at the entrance with a sign saying register to vote here.

I needed to change my registration and asked him for the form.

He said do you have a drivers license and I said yes.

He then said fill out the form and you should receive a card in about two weeks with your new precinct.

The other night a Hispanic Activist woman on O’Really said giving drivers license to illegals would not allow them to vote.

As I saw yesterday all you need to register to vote is a drivers license and no other identification.

Last night coming home from Thanksgiving celebrations I listened to a Mexican radio program out of Mexico extolling illegals to stand firm against the government of the United States.

To tie up the government by filing frivolous lawsuits.

To frequent Hispanic owned businesses who support citizenship for illegals.

To write letters to those in charge such as local, state and federal representatives.

When possible register to vote using any means possible.

To join groups that are anti to U.S. immigration policies.

Already we have professors at California Universities that are members of MECHA who are attending meetings in Mexico City.

Making speeches calling for the overthrow of the U.S. government and state governments in the area of ATZLAN.

[puroresu]

Yes, I would make English proficiency a requirement for voting. I’d do a lot more than that, but it’s a start.

[greyfoxx39]

The Hispanic vote will be minimized if all states require official photo I.D. cards to vote. Then the citizens of this country will not be disenfranchised!

That's gonna be hard to do with the dems contolling states the way they do in Richardson's NM...He and the leg have defeated voter ID giving the illegals here voting rights. Then they did away with voting machines and brought back paper ballots to further control the outcome.

[trumandogz]

Yes, I would make English proficiency a requirement for voting.

That would disenfranchise quite a few Cajuns in S. Louisiana.

[puroresu]

That would disenfranchise quite a few Cajuns in S. Louisiana.

Then they should learn English. Go to Mexico and ask for a ballot in a language other than Spanish. Go to get a driver's license there and demand an application in some language other than Spanish. They'll tell you to come back when you learn Spanish. And that's after, of course, they determine that you're legally in the country.

While you're at it, sneak across the border and demand welfare benefits and sanctuary status in Mexico. Or try it in Japan and see how fast they kick you out of the country. I swear, I think sometimes our country must have a death wish.

Voting is a privilege, not a right. People should have to be fluent in English to vote.

Why do you think otherwise?

[Melas]

You forgot the native born who can’t speak English. It’s not uncommon in Texas border towns at all to find 3rd or 4th generation Americans who don’t speak a word.

[Melas]

no kids born here and being citizens and who have lived here and been educated here would not speak Ingles by aged 18.

Untrue wardaddy. Just as surely as there are children who'll never leave the Bronx, there are children in border towns (where Spanish predominates) who'll never travel outside of their little sphere, and many speak only Spanish.

[ZULU]

“The Georgia Association of Latino Elected Officials recently released a report that states the Latino electorate in Georgia is growing at “astounding rates.”

“Appalling” would be more appropriate.

12 million immigrants came through Ellis Island in many decades.

There are AT LEAST 12 million or more illegals, most of them from Hispanic America, and most of those from Mexico
now. While the Ellis Island immigrants for the most part were assimialted, learend to speak English and became Americans, this crew wants us to use THEIR language and allow more of their illegal brethren in.

I’m beginning to feal like an American Indian in the 1700’s or a Romano-British Celt in the face of Anglo-Saxon invaders,

[wardaddy]

I lived in Miami 8 years.

Any kid in border towns goes to public school in the US is going to learn rudimentary Ingles unless they don’t ever go to school which sounds unusual since it is well known that many folks in Mexico in border areas send their kids across the river to school in the US when they can.

The only folks I’ve ever seen here who didn’t learn English were older naturalized ones like in Miami or illegals....both in unassimilated enclaves.

English should be required period. It IS the culture that binds....about the only filament left.

[Melas]

I lived in Miami 8 years

No comparison. Miami is still when all is said and done a large metropolitan city. The towns I'm thinking of all rural towns, hours away from what you or I would probably call civilization. Places where the locals drive to Roma (population 9000) to shop.

It wasn't on the border, but I lived in a little town of 882, 20 miles from the big city of 8,000 for almost a decade. While the language thing doesn't come into play, it was an eye opener about a way of life I'd never seen, nor want to again. Most of the residents are born there and will die there. A good percentage will never venture outside of the area for more than a weekend in their whole lives.

Little border towns are all that, but in place of distinct country accent, they speak Spanish.

[Hornitos]

American citizens speak English...

And who says that American citizens have to speak English only?

[trumandogz]

Voting is a privilege, not a right.

Is that in the Constitution?

[puroresu]

Is that in the Constitution?

No, and neither is a general right to vote. The Constitution didn't address the subject until the ratification of the 15th Amendment. That amendment excluded using race as a limiting factor for permitting people to vote. It said that people had a right not to be excluded from voting based on race, not that they had a right to vote per se. In other words, states were still free to place other limitations, such as those on gender, or age, or language fluency, or failure to pay a poll tax or pass a literacy test.

It took other constitutional amendments to provide for nationwide female suffrage, to lower the voting age nationwide to 18, and to eliminate poll taxes in federal elections.

Therefore, there is no general right to vote in the Constitution. The idea that there is one is a product of the sixties, and it's as silly as the claim that there's a "right" to abortion or same-sex "marriage".

When the Constitution is silent on an issue, it's reserved to the states. If a state wants to grant a general right to vote to everyone, they can, but there's no constitutional obligation.

This is because the Founding Fathers regarded voting as a privilege reserved to those who could be trusted with the franchise. They didn't put it in the Constitution because they respected states' rights on the issue, but every state at the time excluded women from voting, most excluded blacks from voting, and virtually all of them limited the vote to white males who could read and write. Now, you may not like that, but it's a fact. The absence of any reference to voting in the Bill of Rights demonstrates that the Founders didn't rank it in the same league as freedom of the press, or speech, or religion. That is, as a fundamental right of the citizenry in general.

What would possibly compel you to believe otherwise? And to repeat my prior question, why do you think that people who can't speak English should be permitted to vote?

[dennisw]

I just read a negative review of Joan Peters “From Time Immemorial” (1985) which questioned her theses is that a large part of the increase of the Arab population was owing to in-migration by Arabs into Jewish areas. The critic relied heavily on official records, and it made me smile.

That's an old criticism of "From Time Immemorial" and you have shed new light on it. Well done!
This reminds me of Kosovo where the Albanian Muslim invasion was done legally (Tito promoted it) and illegally. 

Israel and South Africa are similar in that European people settled both and as they generated economic activity people from all around immigrated (legally, illegally, was there even such a distinction back then?) to where the action was. Blacks moved in to work mines and farms and Arabs moved in where the Jews were

The Muslim attitude is they are "the best of people". Rightful lords of the earth who have an Allah given right to live anywhere and if it's in an infidel nation they have a right to bleed the infidels dry. It's called the Jizya tax

[puroresu]

Every civilization has its weaknesses. One of the weaknesses of Western civilization is that it’s so successful that it attracts mass migration of people from other nations. We stupidly permit this, because A) we’re more benevolent than other populations and B) it benefits us in the short term because these new arrivals will work for low wages. But in the end, they bleed us dry via our generous welfare programs and eventually they block vote against us and threaten to take our nation from us, or do take it from us, as in the case of South Africa.