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A lawsuit has been served against our Canadian "sister" site, Free Dominion.
Free Dominion ^ | 11-23-07 | The Heavy Equipment Guy

Posted on 11/23/2007 3:43:25 AM PST by backhoe

Edited on 11/23/2007 1:22:32 PM PST by Admin Moderator. [history]

Its purpose is to silence free speech.
And, to shut down discussion of any and all subjects which offend the perpetually aggrieved, professional whiners & moaners.
 

The skull behind the Smiley Face of "political correctness" is revealed-- and bear in mind, the Legal Jackal, Richard Warman, behind all this is getting rich, using the law to cudgel people in to silence-- but the threat, to free speech, is real:
 
 The Free Dominion Eight - Which FDers made Warman's lawsuit?... [ 1, 2 ]

 

Connie Fournier wrote:
Oh, yeah, he wants $150,000 in damages, but he is willing to settle this for the bargain price of $10,900.


I can't think of any words that are contemptuous enough to use in response to that.



Backhoe says:
What a sorry, conniving, thieving little bastard.


Abusing the might and majesty of the law to extort money from innocent people.

And, to silence them.

All under the aegis of "rights..."

At least with a common street criminal, you know you are dealing with a crook- he is nothing more than a silk-shirted thief.

Connie, you let us know what you need- me and Miss Emily are far from rich, but we'll scrape the floorboards, and I can always bump the fundraisers with drivel and doggerel and musings from the swamps of Georgia...

Get the meanest, most aggressive lawyer you can find.

 
The above story is a subset of this:
 
Be sure to read it all...
...use the links.

This affects all of us.
 
If Richard Warman, Hyena in a $1,000 suit, can silence one site- he can silence another.
 

****UPDATE****

More information has come up, here:

  Court Papers from Richard Warman [ 1, 2, 3 ]


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Keystone Cops Ask Levant for Help -- From the producers at the "colorful scrips that keep writing themselves", this one has to rank very near the top. The Alberta Human Rights Commission (AHRC) doe not have enough evidence to proceed with their prosecution of Ezra Levant, and as such, have asked Levant to provide them with copies of his video of his day with Officer McGovern.

Un-effing-believable.

read Levant's post here about their request.
 
Bad news for Marc Lemire and for freedom around the globe

561 posted on 05/14/2008 4:05:20 PM PDT by backhoe (Just a Merry-Hearted Keyboard PirateBoy, plunderinÂ’ his way across the WWWÂ…)
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We need another $3000 to keep the legal boat afloat [ 1 ... 4, 5, 6 ]
http://www.freedominion.com.pa/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?p=1181796#1181796
 That, and another PayPal donation brings us to: $3495
 
http://www.fivefeetoffury.com/

Restaurant owner can't afford to fight HRC complaint by lazy pothead

A Burlington businessman brought to the Ontario Human Rights Tribunal after he told a medical marijuana user not to light up in front of his family restaurant has given up fighting the complaint because he couldn't afford the legal fees.

"The financial burden, the burden on me and on my family was too much," Ted Kindos, owner of Gator Ted's Tap and Grill, said yesterday after reaching a settlement.

Kindos said his lawyer told him it could cost up to $60,000 to continue fighting the complaint; it was scheduled for eight days of hearings at the Human Rights Tribunal beginning yesterday. Kindos said he has already spent $20,000. (...)

Neither Gibson nor Kindos would reveal details of the settlement, although Gibson did say he got what he originally asked for. It was reported in February that he sought $20,000 for mental anguish and for Kindos to pay for annual training and retraining of his staff on human rights policies.

If you're well enough to spawn two children and sit in hot tubs all day, let alone go out to eat, you aren't sick enough to be on "disability", let alone to smoke "medical marijuana."

Canada sucks.


562 posted on 05/15/2008 2:48:39 AM PDT by backhoe ("It's so Easy to spend somebody else's Money..."[ My Dad. circa 1958 ])
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Dear Mr. Poilievre,
Great letter, great blog too.
 via
http://blazingcatfur.blogspot.com/
 
Stillman: Truth is no defence. (Harper, you can’t handle the...
 
CHRC Seeking Hate Tip Line ...an informal secret police in Canada made up of minority groups and leftist thugs.

563 posted on 05/15/2008 1:38:16 PM PDT by backhoe ("It's so Easy to spend somebody else's Money..."[ My Dad. circa 1958 ])
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Steyn: The fish rots from the head commissar down --Canada needs to come to its senses, fast.
We have undergone not just a coup but a de facto socialist revolution.  We need our country back, there is no place for us to go and become refugees.
 
Steyn, Levant, etc. : - Saudi Canadian HRCs ?
 
Mark Steyn: I'm Starring in One of Those Movies

564 posted on 05/15/2008 3:56:28 PM PDT by backhoe
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CANADA vs FREE SPEECH: IN A NUTSHELL– “The constitutional question - plus: Reactions to the Attorney-General’s polytechnic Marxist claptrap”; and “The fish rots from the head commissar down …. (steynonline)
 
 It's 1938 all over again
 
Be Prepared [ 1, 2 ]
 
CHRC - Goldberg Files Part I
 
Should a coup be thrown in Canada?
 

Buzz

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It's tough to gauge political momentum in Ottawa, especially from 3,000 kilometres away. But I think that the campaign to abolish section 13 of the Canadian Human Rights Act, the thought crimes section, is positively buzzing.

A lot of little things are happening at once, like vibrating molecules bumping up against each other. As Debbie Gyapong reports, Keith Martin has written to all the MPs on the Justice Committee, asking them not only to review section 13, but also the corruption at the Canadian Human Rights Commission.

(Here's a list of the Justice Committee's members. It's chaired by Art Hanger, the Conservative MP for Calgary Northeast. Why not take a moment to write to Hanger to encourage him to dig into the CHRC -- if I know Hanger, I don't think he'll need a lot of convincing. You can e-mail him here.)

At the same time, the mainstream media is fully engaged in the story of human rights commissions and their abuses. Reporters like Joseph Brean are now regularly tracking the story and weighing in from time to time (as in this newsy update, pegged to Mark Steyn's Toronto visit). And Peggy Wente continues her series on the subject with a devastating critique of Barbara Hall's latest adventure at the Ontario Human Rights Commission, on top of her last salvo about the CHRC's half-million dollar award to a sensitive wannabe mountie. Wente's column is read by a lot of folks who don't usually surf the conservative blogosphere.

Look for coverage to ramp up again in two weeks as Maclean's and Steyn head into trial at the B.C. Human Rights Tribunal. I predict front-page reporting in the National Post, the Globe and Mail and the Vancouver Sun, and editorials of thoughtful outrage from coast to coast.

Last week's new human rights complaint, filed against the Halifax Chronicle-Herald, will be an ongoing fountain of news stories and editorials, too. If there were still any doubters, this latest attack on the free press makes it clear that section 13 and its provincial equivalents are a menace to anyone with an opinion -- not just to "neo-Nazis" or "conservatives". The fact that this complaint, like the one against Steyn and me, was filed by a radical Muslim should also disabuse Canadians of some illusions. A crack in our national armour of liberty has been found, and the jihadists are focusing all of their attacks on it. Steyn has, of course, a must-read Maclean's article on this troubling trend. 

There has been an interesting crescendo of legal activity, too. Maclean's magazine came out, all guns blazing, telling the Canadian Islamic Congress that they will never "settle" the CIC's complaint against them. In other words, when Maclean's loses at the B.C. Tribunal in two weeks, they'll appeal to a real court. Maclean's is the kind of litigant with the resources to go all the way to the Supreme Court. It was very encouraging to see them exhibit the will to match.

The National Post, too, joined the legal fight this week. Like Maclean's, they could have chosen to pay some danegeld to extricate themselves from Richard Warman's lawsuit; instead, they decided to fight. That decision was clearly a principled one, since a $10,000 settlement offer would likely have been all that was needed to get a relieved Warman to discontinue the action against them. The Post will spend much more than $10,000 fighting. It's impressive to see a display of principle like that. (Though it is pragmatic, too, in the long run. If the Post were to get a reputation as a legal pushover, there would be a long line of shake-down artists lining up at their door).

All of these things are happening around the same time; all of them are jiggling and jostling the molecules in this complex story. 

But the chemical reaction really heated up when the Department of Justice released its outrageous legal brief in support of section 13. The kind of junk arguments in that memo -- that slavery and the Holocaust wouldn't have happened had there been hate speech laws; that the legal defences of truth and fair comment ought not to apply to "hate speech"; that Jews rely on hate speech laws for their self-esteem, etc. -- are the sort of thing one encounters all the time at human rights commissions. But what made this so stunning was that it was a memo written by two of the Justice Minister's own lawyers, Simon Fothergill and Alysia Davies, not some arms-length commission. These weren't CHRC nutbars. They were Rob Nicholson's own nutbars. And 50 pages really lets a guy and a gal express their nuttiness well.

That memo caused a buzz on my own website, spiking traffic, and not just from outraged readers (including appalled conservatives and Conservatives). Judging from my visitor statistics, plenty of folks in Parliament, the Justice Department, the Federal Court of Canada and various human rights commissions were very interested in the public reaction the memo got -- including that it got a public reaction at all. I understand that Blazing Catfur, who has done a particularly good job at rebutting the junk law in that memo, has received a spike in nervous visitors from both the Justice Department and the CHRC, too.

But the memo (which you can read here if you have the stomach) has caused a ruckus bigger than the blogosphere. I have had two reporters -- who haven't reported on HRCs before -- e-mail me to get background on the memo. One reporter -- to his credit! -- didn't even believe the memo was real, asking me for corroboration that it wasn't a "forged document". That's exactly how I reacted to so many of the insane details about the CHRC when I first encountered them: I simply didn't believe they were real. (I mean, if a Hollywood screenwriter came up with this, it would be rejected by test audiences with a "yeah, right!") 

I'm told that Nicholson's memo has been e-mailed around Parliament Hill, not just amongst reporters, but amongst government MPs and even cabinet ministers. It has moved the embarrassment from the confines of the CHRC -- which could always be disowned as an arms-length nuthouse -- into the bosom of one of the most important ministries in the Conservative government. Simon Fothergill and Alysia Davies work for Rob Nicholson; they spoke in his name.

Put yourself in Nicholson's shoes for a moment.

Three months ago, when this issue was starting to percolate into his political consciousness, he put out some talking points for Conservative MPs, the purpose of which was to throw the hot potato to someone else. That's standard operating procedure for any government, let alone a minority government: put out fires, don't start them. Here is some of his spin:

The Canadian Human Rights Commission and the Canadian Human Rights Tribunal are independent agencies that administer the Canadian Human Rights Act, according to procedures specified by the law, without interference from the government.

and

The Department of Justice continues to monitor the Commission and Tribunal to ensure that our human rights system remains effective.

But those talking points just don't work anymore -- it's not an "independent agency" that's in the mess, it's the Justice Minister, because of Fothergill and Davies.

And, when example after example of the CHRC's own corrupt processes are brought to your attention -- not just by the mere public, but by Keith Martin -- how do you still cling to this old talking point:

If asked about the Canadian Human Rights Commission (CHRC) and its process: Refer letter writer to the CHRC’s website which has very detailed information pertaining to its mandate, discrimination and harassment, dispute resolution and much more.

 

No, I think the problem has spread from the CHRC into the Justice Department. I think it's becoming an embarrassment that can't be sloughed off on others. HRCs are becoming denormalized -- and if Nicholson doesn't do something about them on his watch, he risks having his own government become tainted by them. I think he'll act -- even if it takes some gentle encouragement from caucus, cabinet and even the Prime Minister. It was Stephen Harper himself who, in 1999, told B.C. Report magazine:

 

Human rights commissions, as they are evolving, are an attack o­n our fundamental freedoms and the basic existence of a democratic society… It is in fact totalitarianism. I find this is very scary stuff.

 

I think this campaign has momentum. And we haven't even heard from the Privacy Commissioner yet. I stand by my prediction that we will see real changes before the year is out.

 

Because There's Always A "Next"

"No, those who scare me are those who (not entirely unlike the Nazis) are in positions of authority and responsibility and think that this gives them a vantage point on what kinds of speech should and should not be acceptable. It's not that I care deeply if some truly marginal and deeply resentful fool gets caught in the sights of some kind of hate police and penalized. It's that in creating such a precedent for thought policing, both cop and citizen naturally ask, well, who's next?"


Posted by Kate at 1:20 AM | Comments (0)

I am slow to this topic; many other bloggers have already commented on this document and the Canadian government's use of the "hate speech" “expert” Alexander Tsesis, starting with Ezra Levant (here and here; a good place to find links to others is Blazing Cat Fur). But I have been otherwise occupied and just couldn't jump quickly into the fray. My comments are in the way of a first impression that come to me without a wide reading of the critics of Tsesis (see Cat Fur).

 

Reader Tips

"The persecution of a national news magazine and political websites by the CHRT, the libel suits against bloggers - that’s fine with the Liberals. They are firmly behind that - but to prevent a Liberal from using the auspices of parliament to question a man who is sueing him in a civil court - that’s one step too far."

Who's kidding whom? If he appeals this to the Canadian Human Rights Commission, there's a better than even chance he'll end up with high speed.

Yes, Canada does.

No more apologies. The Post is calling Warman's bluff.

Yours in the comments.


Posted by Kate at 1:17 AM | Comments (2)
 

Spanking Siddiqui

"Perhaps Mr Siddiqui might be a less opaque. There is no ‘ongoing debate in Canada over when freedom of speech crosses the line into hate.’ When the likes of Hamas, Hizbollah and the policies of the Arab world are given credibility, the question of hate is not in question. What is in question is just how much hate is acceptable- and the answer to that is quite clear: Canadians have a very high tolerance for hate if it is well camouflaged."


Posted by Kate at 5:56 PM | Comments (9)

565 posted on 05/16/2008 4:22:16 AM PDT by backhoe
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Warman Wednesday was a HUGE success! Thanks, Mark Steyn!
 
CHRC Scumbags have new page to defend Section 13
 
Human rights commission orders Quebec city to stop praying
 
Breaking ! CHRT Denies CCF Intervener Status
 
Churches shouldn't be running our social services (BARF!!!!)...
 
CHRC - Goldberg Files Part I [ 1, 2 ]
 
CHRC files – Goldberg Files Part II
 
CHRC files – Goldberg Files Part III
 

Dutch Cartoonist Jailed

For this.

Artizans.jpg

Correction: The cartoon shown is from the Halifax Chronicle Herald, who are also being dragged before a HRC for publishing it. No jail time, though.

Yet.

Posted by Kate at 5:20 PM | Comments (43) "And I thought we liberated Holland. I'm starting to think that it's reached the point where violence is needed to shove a stake in the heart of leftist Political Correctness and leftist speech suppression."

SoCon Or Bust asks;"If they think the price is steep now, what’s it going to cost us when we have to fight to keep Sharia out later on?"

Break it to SoCon gently. Islam's sharia is here in Canada now. In addition, the Canadian version of Islam's sharia is the Canadian Human Rights Act, thanks to the socialists: PET, Big Bertha Wilson, Tommy Shoyama latterly of Saskatchewan, et al. The compact between Islam and the left has been made. The end result is now apparent; the loss of our freedom of speech.
The enforcement arms of Islam's sharia/CHRAct are the HRCs/tribunals; the commissars are Lucy, Hall, Worn, et al.
The price is being paid now. It will take a prodigious effort to cast off the chains which have been forged by the left-Islamic alliance.

And the elites of this country think people like SDAers are the problem . . .


566 posted on 05/17/2008 3:24:40 AM PDT by backhoe
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Kevin Sorenson is the Conservative Member of Parliament from Crowfoot, Alberta.

What's Crowfoot like? Well, in the 2004 election, Sorenson received 80% of the vote in his riding. In 2006, that moved up to 82.5% when that NDP family up and left. Without checking Elections Canada, I'm guessing the remaining 17.5% of votes were write-ins for an Alberta independence party of some stripe.

I remember speaking at a Reform Party BBQ there, back in 1998, at Big Knife Provincial Park. I can testify that there were no tofu hotdogs on the grill.

I have received an exchange of correspondence between Sean McCormick, a constituent of Crowfoot, and Sorenson. Sean's letter is a good, old-fashioned broadside. He told me he's a little sheepish about the tone he used but, if I know Crowfoot, Sean's letter is probably the most liberal and wishy-washy thing that Sorenson's office has received in years.

I was going to just excerpt from the exchange (which was also copied to Rob Nicholson and Stephen Harper) but I really don't want to leave out a single word of Sean's missive:

Dear Sirs,

As a voter living in the Crowfoot riding in Alberta, I am writing to express my dismay over the revelations of wrongdoing and corruption by Human Rights Commissions both at the provincial and federal levels that Canadians have been witness to these past few months. I am disgusted and angered by what I have seen. This fiasco runs contrary to my values and spits in the face of my grandfather, a war veteran who served this country in WWII.

We've seen dishonest and flagrantly illegal behavior on the part of Human Rights Commissions and their employees. That Richard Warman continues to be allowed to make Section 13 his own personal plaything destroys any notion of our country having a working justice system (Mr. Nicholson, I'm speaking to you if you can hear anything from that cave you've been hiding in).

This is the ONLY issue I'm voting on come the next election. My vote goes to the candidate/party that is doing the most to shut down these HRC boondoggles, or at the very least, repeal Section 13 of the human rights act. I am also willing to volunteer my time and put my money (the maximum contribution allowed by law) behind the candidate that best represents my values on this issue. I normally vote along conservative lines, but I'm willing to cross the floor on this issue, even if that means voting for one of those granola-crunching Green Party freaks.

So far the Liberals are in the lead for getting my vote thanks to the efforts of Dr. Keith Martin. If you want my vote and support back, you know what you have to do.

Sincerely,

Sean McCormick

The bulk of Sorenson's reply is the form letter authored by Rob Nicholson's office back in February -- a big dose of blandness designed to lull and numb. But buried amongst that politically correct hay was Sorenson's own sharp little needle:

I want you to know that I also have grave concerns with these troubling actions of the Commission, and look forward to receiving a copy of the response you receive from Minister of Justice Rob Nicholson.

Nice. I know that response will not satisfy most red-blooded Crowfoot voters. But it's good enough for me, for now. Sorenson is the chair of Parliament's Foreign Affairs Committee; that's not quite a cabinet position, but it's a high enough rank that he knows he has to be careful about mowing the Justice Minister's lawn.

I'd put Sorenson down pretty firmly on our side of the ledger. He doesn't just have concerns, he has "grave concerns"; he calls the CHRC's actions "troubling"; and he claims he's "looking forward" to Nicholson's reply. I'm sure he is, actually -- he's obviously not satisfied with Nicholson's three-month-old talking points that are obsolete to the point of being insulting.

I'm not sure that Sorenson has gone far enough to win Sean's vote -- and donation. I'd say Keith Martin's private member's motion puts the Liberals in the lead. I'm pretty sure Sorenson isn't going to lose Crowfoot over this issue. But I'm equally sure that Sean speaks for about 82.5% of his neighbours. Probably more.

P.S. Gentle reader, why don't you take literally 30 seconds out of your busy day to write an encouraging letter to Sorenson? Just click here for his e-mail address.

P.P.S. If you haven't yet written an e-mail to your MP, why not? It's pretty easy, as Sean shows. You can find your MP's e-mail address very quickly: here, if you know your riding's name or MP's name, or here, if you just know your postal code. Send me the exchange, and I'll post it. If you get a snail-mail letter, please send it to me in .pdf format, or e-mail me a note and I'll tell you how to fax it to me.

Athanasios Hadjis: "I'm lazy"

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As I reported two weeks ago, the Canadian Constitution Foundation applied for intervenor status in Marc Lemire's constitutional challenge to section 13 of the Canadian Human Rights Act, the thought crimes section.

It was a breakthrough: a highly-regarded, mainstream civil rights organization weighing in on behalf of Lemire. The CCF is a registered charity, with a sterling record of defending minority rights, ranging from Japanese-Canadian fishermen to a Nisga'a chief. Not only is the CCF comprised of true constitutional experts -- it even has Eugene Meehan, the former president of the Canadian Bar Association on its board of advisors -- but it is politically mainstream. It can't be sloughed off as some neo-Nazi front -- the opposite, in fact.

No wonder their application for intervenor status was summarily rejected.

Today, Athanasios Hadjis, the chair of the tribunal hearing the matter, threw out the CCF's request to join in as an intervenor. Hadjis's brief ruling is a repulsive blend of arrogance, laziness and prejudice. Let's be honest: Hadjis is bored, and doesn't want to waste time going through the motions of a fair hearing, and the CCF means he potentially has hours of extra reading to do.

Throughout the March 25th hearing, Hadjis repeatedly sighed "we're done" -- even when the lawyers of the case weren't done. I wasn't there, so I don't know how many times Hadjis looked at the clock, but I'm sure it was in the dozens. But can you really blame Hadjis? The Canadian Human Rights Tribunal has a 100% conviction rate for section 13 thought crimes. They're just going through the motions anyways. Can't they just hurry up, so he can declare Lemire guilty?

Hadjis's ruling is laughable, and the CCF should immediately appeal it to the Federal Court. Take paragraph 6:

The administration of this case has been to say the least, unwieldy and challenging.

Hadjis is right. He has run a mockery of a hearing. A dozen examples of his incompetence come to mind, ranging from the withholding of transcripts from the respondent, to Hadjis's continuing refusal to compel the prosecutors at the Canadian Human Rights Commission to hand over their document disclosure. The trial is done, and the respondent has yet to see the full case against him.

(Question: when does serial incompetence become corruption? Answer: when the respondent's rights are violated, and Hadjis doesn't give a damn. That was long ago.)

You've got to admire Hadjis's use of the passive tense: "this case has been... unwieldly". Yes, that's like writing "mistakes were made" -- it's wonderfully vague. It was Hadjis's job to make the hearings work. He failed. I'm not quite sure why the respondent should pay for that by having a prospective ally denied.

Or look at Hadjis's excuse in paragraph 8:

...interested party status will not be granted if it does not add significantly to the legal positions of the parties representing a similar viewpoint.

Oh, really? Is there really a difference amongst the positions taken by three of the intervenors against Lemire -- the Canadian Jewish Congress, the B'nai Brith and the Simon Wiesenthal Center? They're so cookie-cutter, they even file joint affidavits -- as in this affidavit, that denigrates Canadian Jews as being psychologically insecure. Yet all three of them received Hadjis's approval. That couldn't be because they're all on the side of the prosecution, is it?

Or: is it because, before Hadjis received his patronage appointment, he was vice-president of Canada's Hellenic Congress, and he formed a coalition with the Canadian Jewish Congress? Did he approve the CJC's application because they were old friends, but the CCF wasn't?

Also in paragraph 8 is this line:

If the CCF has any specific arguments that if feels may be relevant to the constitutional issue, nothing prevents it from sharing them with the Respondent and any of the existing interveners so that they may be put before the Tribunal by these participants' more than able counsel and agents.

Oh, really? So the CCF can sit in the gallery, and pass notes to Lemire's lawyer during the breaks? That's awfully sporting. But let's look frankly at the last six words there: "more than able counsel and agents". The fact is, arrayed against Lemire are not only the entire resources of the federal Justice Department, but the eight-figure budget of the CHRC with a 170-person staff; and the other intervenors against him -- including two lawyers from the enormous firm Blake Cassels & Graydon.

On the other team we have Barbara Kulaszka, a sole practitioner, representing Lemire himself; Paul Fromm, a non-lawyer; and occasional participation from Victoria lawyer Doug Christie. All are working essentially pro bono -- they couldn't even afford to pay for transcripts.

It's impressive how well that rag-tag team has done in the face of such overwhelming odds. But I don't think that a neutral observer would say that Lemire's team is "more than able" to match the force against them.

Pound for pound, it just hasn't been a fair fight. Which is exactly why Hadjis doesn't want the legal eagles from the CCF -- or anyone else, like the Canadian Civil Liberties Association -- coming in. Not just because, with the likes of Eugene Meehan on board, the CHRC's case would be torn to ribbons. But also because Eugene Meehan and the others at the CCF have a perfect reputation politically. Unlike Fromm, Christie and Kulaszka, they aren't outside the political mainstream. Hadjis wants to keep Lemire marginalized, both legally and politically.

The most telling line in Hadjis's phone-it-in ruling -- issued on a Friday, to minimize media scrutiny -- is the last line:

I note that none of the participants has objected to the proposed intervention of the CCF... 

So let's get this straight. No-one other than Hadjis thinks it's a problem having the CCF there. No-one else thinks it will be too much of a hassle; no-one else thinks the case will be inordinately delayed or prejudiced; no-one else is arguing that the CCF is redundant.

Richard Warman, the nominal complainant himself, doesn't object.

It's lazy-bones Hadjis, who frets again about his own management skills.

I'd call for Hadjis to be impeached as a judge but, of course, he's not a judge. He's chief kangaroo in a kangaroo court.

He's already made up his mind. Lemire is guilty. Why waste time.

Fire. Them. All.

UPDATE: I see that Hadjis has released other rulings today, including this one, denying Lemire full disclosure of the case against him, including the disclosure specifically required under Rule 6 of the tribunal's own rules.

This is the problem of trying to fight a rogue, corrupt organization like the CHRC/CHRT from within. It's impossible, when the other side not only controls the rules, but changes those rules if you somehow manage to win under them.

An appeal to a real court is a possible remedy, but Canadian courts generally defer to administrative tribunals, even if they're wrong. I believe that a court challenge is necessary, and might even win; but I believe that the better strategy is the one that we've been following to date: denormalize the HRCs in public, and make it possible for legislators to reform or abolish them. There's no point playing a rigged game. When men like Hadjis themselves are the problem, it's unreasonable to think that men like Hadjis will fix the problem.

It's up to Rob Nicholson, Jason Kenney and even Stephen Harper to fix the problem.

h/t BCF


567 posted on 05/17/2008 7:20:23 AM PDT by backhoe
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Keith Martin responds to Justice Dept. brief-- I've spoken to members on the Justice Committee and there's a great deal of support across party lines to deal with this because members on the Justice Committee recognize that the removal of Section 13-1 and an investigation of the Canada Human Rights Commission is in support of that fundamental human right, the right to freedom of speech. And they recognize that it is our responsibility to defend this right, a right that Canadians bled for and fought for over two world wars and that it is our responsibility in this House of Commons to defend that right.
 
CHRC files – Goldberg Files Part IV

568 posted on 05/17/2008 12:59:19 PM PDT by backhoe
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HRC Watching Us
 
 
Hmmm the CHRC is working overtime, they have been on my site for 1/2 an hour. Imagine a civil servant so dedicated that they come in on the Saturday of a long weekend.

Or do we have them running scared?

You can see the Stats Log here:

http://tinyurl.com/5adjdc

569 posted on 05/17/2008 4:25:30 PM PDT by backhoe
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http://www.fivefeetoffury.com/

A model letter to an MP about the Human Rights Commissions

Like many people I've heard from, Sean is donating to our legal defense funds rather than to the Conservative Party, and he's letting them know about it:

As a voter living in the Crowfoot riding in Alberta, I am writing to express my dismay over the revelations of wrongdoing and corruption by Human Rights Commissions both at the provincial and federal levels that Canadians have been witness to these past few months. I am disgusted and angered by what I have seen. This fiasco runs contrary to my values and spits in the face of my grandfather, a war veteran who served this country in WWII.

We've seen dishonest and flagrantly illegal behavior on the part of Human Rights Commissions and their employees. That Richard Warman continues to be allowed to make Section 13 his own personal plaything destroys any notion of our country having a working justice system (Mr. Nicholson, I'm speaking to you if you can hear anything from that cave you've been hiding in).

This is the ONLY issue I'm voting on come the next election. My vote goes to the candidate/party that is doing the most to shut down these HRC boondoggles, or at the very least, repeal Section 13 of the human rights act. I am also willing to volunteer my time and put my money (the maximum contribution allowed by law) behind the candidate that best represents my values on this issue. I normally vote along conservative lines, but I'm willing to cross the floor on this issue, even if that means voting for one of those granola-crunching Green Party freaks.

So far the Liberals are in the lead for getting my vote thanks to the efforts of Dr. Keith Martin. If you want my vote and support back, you know what you have to
do.



570 posted on 05/18/2008 3:25:24 AM PDT by backhoe
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Conservative Party fundraiser: "I agree with you"

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I received an e-mail from a conservative activist whose name would be known to many readers of this blog. The activist asked me to share this story, but not to disclose other identifying details. I thought it was interesting:
 
I got a phone call from a Conservative fundraiser today, asking me if I still supported the party. I said yes. The fundraiser said there may be an election as early as June 16 and asked would I consider giving again to help them win a majority government?
 
I said that I would be giving all the money that I would normally give to the Conservatives to the bloggers and others that are being crushed by human rights commissions. I said I was disappointed with the Tory government's not standing up against the way human rights commissions are crushing our fundamental freedoms. I mentioned the Justice Department brief that showed government support for the Canadian Human Rights Commission.
 
I said I would not be giving any more money to the party until it took a stand.  I said I knew Stephen Harper and his party had their hearts in the right place but they had to act. 
 
Well, to my shock, the fundraiser said,  "I agree with you."  
 
The fundraiser also said, "You are not the only one."
 
Other Conservative donors are telling the Tories they won't give them any money until they act on this.
 
According to the latest filings with Elections Canada, the Conservatives raised over $5 million in the first three months of 2008, compared to less than $900,000 for the Liberals. (Interestingly, the NDP were second, with $1.1 million.) A boycott of donations, such as the one mentioned above, and in the cases of Ward Benedict and Sean McCormick, below, is not going to bring the party to its knees. But it will certainly get the party's attention, which is the point.
 
The Conservatives -- indeed, all parties -- don't just use their fundraising calls and letters to raise money. They also use them as an opportunity to communicate with members and supporters, to take the pulse of their base. The kind of anger that would cause life-long supporters and donors to threaten to cut off the Tories is something that certainly will be fed back to the Parliamentary caucus. The subject has obviously come up often enough that the particular fundraiser in this case had encountered it before.
 
I think this is a sign that the Conservatives have finally been seized with this issue. They didn't really want to be; until now, they were happy to let Keith Martin, a Liberal, be the leader, and for the conservative blogosphere to thump the tub, and for pundits to weigh in. But when the Conservative government issued its 50-page defence of the Canadian Human Rights Commission and its prosecution of section 13 thought crimes, it was no longer a neutral observer -- it became part of the problem. 
 
Keep at it -- I think we're coming close to the tipping point. And with a spring election all but called off, the government has some time to fix the problem, and to redeem itself. 
 
P.S. Another long-time party activist sent me copies of his simple but powerful letters to the chair of the Conservative Fund, the Prime Minister and a tough on to the Justice Minister. I've redacted his name, and will omit his letter to his MP so as not to identify him.
 
By the way, in case it's unclear, I think the Conservative government is going to do the right thing here. I think they just need to know how important this issue is. That was always part of the plan, remember: denormalize the HRCs to build public pressure, to make it possible for political action -- in that order. It's been a nutty six months for the government -- they truly thought they were going to the polls on three occasions. Bringing up a new, uncharted issue like reforming or abolishing HRCs just didn't fit with the election script. I think that Stephane Dion's serial surrenders, combined with the growth of the issue, spiked by the Nicholson memo, means things are about to reach a critical mass.
 

Russ Hiebert is the Conservative Member of Parliament from the gorgeous riding of South Surrey -- White Rock -- Cloverdale. He's also the Parliamentary Secretary to the Minister of Intergovernmental Affairs and Western Economic Diversification.

On May 12, Ward Benedict, one of Hiebert's constituents, wrote this e-mail to him, the Justice Minister and the Prime Minister:

Dear Sirs:

http://ezralevant.com/2008/05/justice-minister-rob-nicholson.html

After reading Mr. Ezra Levants disection of MP Nicholsons Ministries just released legal brief, I am writing to let you know that until the Conservatives step in and get actively involved in eliminating Sec. 13 of the Canadian Human Rights act, I will not be contributing another dollar to the CPC.

I understand that it is a sensitive issue that could easily be spun by the media to reflect poorly on the CPC, but if maintaining the status quo to avoid getting bloodied up a bit is your solution, then we might as well have a Liberal government in power.

When the Conservative Party takes solid and corrective positions on issues like this, I am encouraged and happy to fund the Party. (and have contributed significantly in the past

As I wrote to Mr. Gerstein earlier, I will be sending any dollars I would normally send to the CPC, to Mr. Ezra Levant, Kathy Shaidle and Kate McMillan to assist them with the legal fees they will have to incur to fight the free speech battles they are involved in as a result of bad law and a corrupt CHRC.

For shame sirs, for shame.

Sincerely,

Ward Benedict

To which Hiebert's constituency assistant replied:

Mr. Benedict,

 

Thank you for your comments. We have discussed this issue many times with Mr. Hiebert and are in agreement with you regarding your opinion on the Human Rights Commission.

 

I am happy to record your comments, but am not able to comment further on it at this time.

 

Kathy Jary

Constituency Assistant for RUSS HIEBERT, MP

 

On the one hand, I'm a little bit disappointed that the letter was signed by Hiebert's assistant, rather than Hiebert himself. On the other hand, the reply was apparently e-mailed back within eighteen minutes. I'll take that as an indication of the office's enthusiasm on the subject.

 

I'm slightly confused by the letter: it agrees with Ward's tough talk, but declines to comment further. OK; perhaps, as a Parliamentary Secretary for an unrelated ministry, Hiebert knows he ought to refrain from policy freelancing in someone else's portfolio. But if he agrees with Ward's tough talk, that's a pretty serious rebuke of the Canadian Human Rights Commission.

 

I'm glad Hiebert is on board, and it's not too surprising -- he's an exceedingly bright MP who thinks a lot about policy. The fact that he's a lawyer means he's likely very sensitive to the corruption and breaches of natural justice that are rampant at the CHRC. Hiebert is also a member of Parliament's Access to Information, Privacy and Ethics Committee. It would not surprise me one bit if the CHRC's abominable approach to all three of those subjects found itself hauled before Hiebert's committee. In fact, I'd bet on it.

 

I look forward to Hiebert adding more substantively to his assistant's reply on his behalf. But I accept her comments as the plain truth: I'm sure that Hiebert and his staff have indeed discussed the matter "many times", and that they are "in agreement" with Ward's view that the CHRC is a national shame.

 

Friends, take a moment to send Hiebert an e-mail of encouragement -- just click here. And, if you have any similar correspondence with your MP that you'd like to share, please e-mail it to me, or if it's via snail mail, please send it to me as a scanned .pdf, or a fax.  

Our sister site's take:

Conservative Party fundraiser: "I agree with you"
 
Parl Sec: "are in agreement with you" about CHRC
 
 


571 posted on 05/18/2008 5:58:13 AM PDT by backhoe
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Tory MP: HRC cases "scurrilous"; supports Keith Martin's bill
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Bruce Stanton (pictured here) is the freshman Conservative MP from the Ontario riding of Simcoe North. His constituent, David Tracey, wrote a series of letters to him, starting back in January. David didn't get a substantive reply, but he kept at it, again and again, until he finally announced he was withdrawing his support for Stanton.

That got Stanton's attention!

Here is a copy of their e-mail exchange. My favourite part, needless to say, is where Stanton calls the human rights charges against Mark Steyn and I "scurrilous cases". I agree! He ends his letter to David with an encouraging word: "I support Keith Martin's Bill".

But Stanton makes a factual error: he says that the cases against Steyn and me have been brought in provincial jurisdictions, and thus Stanton (and the federal Conservative government) cannot do anything about it.

But, in fact, the complaint against Mark Steyn was filed in no fewer than three jurisdictions (thus inventing a new abuse of process that I will dub "triple jeopardy"). One of those jurisdictions is indeed the Canadian Human Rights Commission, a creature of and subject to the federal Parliament. You can see a copy of that federal complaint here.

Look, it's easy to lose track of all the human rights shenanigans -- there's so much baloney out there, even Richard Warman, Canada's complainer-in-chief, can't seem to remember all the details of his own cases. I'm not upset that Stanton has mixed up his BCHRT with his OHRC and his CHRC. But now that he knows Steyn's "scurrilous case" has in fact been seized by the CHRC, I look forward to him doing something about it!

Of course, the real solution is not for Stanton to meddle in any particular case, whether or not it's scurrilous. The real solution is for the abusive, corrupt law itself to be dealt with -- and Stanton should do that whether or not Steyn's case proceeds. Right now, the Conservative government is not neutral on the matter: Rob Nicholson's 50-page defence of the section 13 thought crime provision of the Canadian Human Rights Act has made this a very live and very current issue for the government, and that brief doesn't mention Steyn.

That's the point here, folks. We're not just upset about political censorship because Steyn and me and other conservatives have been charged under those laws. We're upset about those laws no matter who is charged under them, because we don't believe that political censorship, by the government, is appropriate in a country whose anthem contains the words "the True North, strong and free."

I'm putting Stanton down on our side of the ledger. Anyone who supports Keith Martin's bill, and calls the cases against Steyn and me "scurrilous" is on our team. But I sent a note back to David, encouraging him to point out to Stanton that he needs to do more than just point fingers at abusive provincial HRCs -- the federal Conservative government runs the most abusive HRC of all.

Please take 30 seconds to write a note to Stanton, here. Tell him he's on the right track, but he needs to bone up on the CHRC's own scurrilous conduct, too.


572 posted on 05/18/2008 4:01:18 PM PDT by backhoe
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CHRC - Hadjis files - Part I
 
http://www.fivefeetoffury.com/

ET -- phone HRC!

I had better tread carefully today, for I am going to write disparagingly about an entire class of sentient beings -- and we should all know what has happened to Ezra Levant, Mark Steyn, Kathy Shaidle, Kate McMillan, Jonathan Kay, Fr. Alphonse de Valk, Mark and Connie Fournier, Marc Lemire, and a bewildering, quickly growing list of other Canadian writers hauled before the so-called "human rights" commissions, and shaken down with frivolous but financially ruinous sue-and-stall court litigation, on the suspicion that they may have entertained "hateful," politically incorrect thoughts.

The group I intend to slur today are the Extraterrestrials. I'm not sure how the courts will interpret "hate-speech" and "hate-thought" towards this group, which is not yet specifically protected under any of Canada's awkwardly-worded "rights" codes. Arguably, any attack on Extraterrestrials could be taken as personal attacks on members, former members, outriders and hangers-on of the "human rights" commissions themselves, and therefore provoke the next round of vexatious lawsuits.

Still, if Canada is to recover free speech and freedom of the press, journalists will have to be brave and bold, and I'm prepared, like a Boy Scout, to do my bit. I don't care what the personal consequences to me -- they can sue me, they can throw me in prison (I've already been hauled before the Ontario Press Council) -- but I'm going to speak out. I'm going to tell you exactly what I think about Extraterrestrials.
I don't think they exist.


I guarantee that David Warren will get more hate mail about this column than just about any he's written this year. I'd pay good money to read it, too.




573 posted on 05/19/2008 2:44:49 AM PDT by backhoe
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CHRC files - RCMP to Investigate CHRC ...a criminal complaint against the Canadian Human Rights Commission for theft of an innocent woman’s internet connection.
 
Help the Canuck 6-- buy & download this ebook:

I could blog full time for one year...

if each of my daily blog readers bought a copy of my new e-book, Acoustic Ladyland.

If you hate shipping fees and that long wait between ordering your books and getting them, then this e-book is for you. You buy it online then download it as a PDF, so you get to enjoy it right away.

PLUS, Mark Steyn says you should read it:

 
 
http://www.fivefeetoffury.com/

Jonas: "Going to bat for Mark Steyn's freedom of expression..."


"...is like going to bed with Gina Lollobrigida. Anybody can do it. The challenge to liberty's libido is going to bat for a James Keegstra's freedom of expression, or an Ernst Zundel's. Defending the Charter rights of crude racists and Holocaust deniers is a test of liberal virility. It's a test we failed.


574 posted on 05/19/2008 12:29:25 PM PDT by backhoe
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 A Return to Tolerance (Part 3 of 3)
 

Good news from the prairies

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Saskatchewan has announced that it will follow Alberta's lead, and begin electing its senators. That's heartening to Westeners who have felt that the construction of Confederation -- effectively a unicameral system dominated by Ontario and Quebec -- was to our disadvantage.

It wouldn't shock me if B.C. made the same decision soon. B.C. Premier Gordon Campbell has been a Blue Liberal, and has shown an interest in democratic reform on the provincial level. Add to that the fact that half of B.C.'s six senate seats are now vacant -- and Stephen Harper has frozen appointments of non-elected senators -- and you've got a lot of positive reasons for B.C. to make it a Western trifecta.

Electing 18 Western senators out of 105 won't make a big difference, at first. But it will create an interesting dynamic in the Senate, where 18 politically legitimate legislators push up against a mass of patronage appointees. It will even look interesting, for the average age of elected senators will likely be 20 years younger than the appointees who currently occupy the upper chamber.

I believe that senate elections are only the first step to meaningful senate reform; the number of senators for each province will have to be adjusted, either in our constitution, or otherwise -- such as by leaving some provinces' excess seats permanently unfilled. But either way, the logjam must first be broken. Brad Wall's bold Sask Party is helping to do that.

Not everything in the world comes back to human rights commissions, but there is a connection here. Some months ago I mused about where legislative change might come, amongst Canada's 14 HRCs. Besides the federal Conservatives, I listed Wall's Sask Party. Not only are they conservatives with little patience for the politically correct madness of the HRCs, but Saskatchewan's HRC has been particularly abusive of its powers, especially in regards to freedom of speech and freedom of religion.

Perhaps that combination -- a bold new government with lots of political capital to spend, plus a particularly abnormal HRC -- means they'll beat the federal Conservatives to the punch, and be the first jurisdiction to rein these beasts in.

The fact that Saskatchewan's new Justice Minister, Don Morgan, was an enthusiastic subscriber to the Western Standard might just help, too!

Canada's Elected Free Speech Honour Roll [ 1, 2 ]

The list now seems to be 7 MP's:

1. Liberal - Keith Martin

2. Liberal - Dan McTeague

3. CPC - James Rajotte

4. CPC - Lee Richardson

5. CPC - Kevin Sorenson

6. CPC - Jason Kenney

7. CPC - Bruce Stanton


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CHRC Files - RCMP to Investigate CHRC Part II
 

RCMP launches investigation into CHRC tactics

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siren.gifThe Royal Canadian Mounted Police have begun an investigation into alleged criminal conduct by members of the Canadian Human Rights Commission.

The conduct in question was revealed at an extraordinary hearing on March 25th, a hearing the CHRC desperately tried to keep closed to the press.

An officer of Bell Canada, appearing under a subpoena, testified that the CHRC had hacked into a private citizen's Internet account, to cover their electronic tracks as they surfed anti-Semitic websites under the alias "Jadewarr". You can read the transcript of the hearing here -- a transcript the CHRC did not release to the public.

The victim of the CHRC's illegal hacking, Nelly Hechme, told reporters that she was "completely shocked" by the news. Canada's Privacy Commissioner, who has jurisdiction over the CHRC, is now investigating the matter.

The March 25th hearing marked a watershed in the campaign to rein in Canada's human rights commissions. Reporters feasted on sordid details of the CHRC's "anti-hate" squad signing up to white supremacist Web sites, and posting bigoted comments. Those revelations embarrassed the CHRC and its handful of political supporters, and the Privacy Commissioner's investigation could lead to real political consequences.

But not even the CHRC's most passionate critics could have imagined that the Mounties would be investigating the CHRC.

According to this letter written two weeks ago by the Ottawa Police Service, a criminal complaint filed against the CHRC by Marc Lemire has now been referred to the RCMP's Integrated Technological Crime Unit. Here is the key excerpt from that letter:

After a full consideration of all aspects of the matter, it is our opinion that this matter falls within the jurisdiction of the Royal Canadian Mounted Police. We have discussed this matter with the RCMP and the matter has been assigned to Cpl Stephane Turgeon.

I expect that the RCMP will be in touch with you...

So what happens now?

Can the Conservative government really keep using its old talking points, including these two, to avoid dealing with the issue?

·         The Canadian Human Rights Commission and the Canadian Human Rights Tribunal are independent agencies that administer the Canadian Human Rights Act, according to procedures specified by the law, without interference from the government.

·         The Department of Justice continues to monitor the Commission and Tribunal to ensure that our human rights system remains effective.

Just how bad does it have to get before the government stops saying that the CHRC follows "procedures specified by the law"? We've got the Privacy Commissioner and the RCMP investigating now. What does it take to get the government's attention -- a NATO airstrike?

 

And how about the claim that the government is "monitoring" the CHRC to ensure that it "remains effective". Effective at what? Hacking Internet accounts? Shredding their records and deleting their hard drives? Staying out of jail? How exactly about the CHRC's conduct could be called "effective"?

 

Question: when the RCMP investigates CHRC staff, will the CHRC pay for their criminal lawyers? If so, is that an indication that those CHRC staff hacked the website in the course of their duties?

 

Until two weeks ago, the Conservative government had plausible deniability about the CHRC's corruption. But not any longer. The Justice Department's 50-page defence of the CHRC's prosecutions under section 13 moved the government from "neutral" into the "pro-CHRC" camp. That was bad policy. And now an RCMP investigation means the government has to do much more than just defend a bad law -- it means it has to defend a scandal. That's bad politics.

 

The Conservatives have had an excuse for not cleaning up the CHRC's stables: for six months, they've been preparing for an imminent election. Now that Stephane Dion has all but acknowledged that won't happen at least until the fall, it's time for the Conservatives to act, and to act swiftly.

 

I've got a three-word action plan when it comes to the CHRC:

 

Fire.

 

Them.

 

All.

 

"Close their doors,

and open their files..."

( Mark Fournier )

 

British Columbia's Bill 42

Read more here on Bill 42, the Election Amendment Act.

Posted by Kate at 12:01 AM | Comments (10)
"People aren't stupid - they understand that the BCTF (the teachers' union), the BCGEU (government employees) or the BC Federation of Labour have an axe to grind. If Gordo is afraid of policy-based criticism, he should stop enacting stupid policies; if he thinks his policies are good, he should be willing to defend them."

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CHRC damage control
Have you filed a Law Society Complaint against Lucy Warman?
 
 The original Bete Noire
 
Meanwhile,

Teenager faces prosecution for calling Scientology 'cult'

-- Sounds as if the City of London has been infiltrated by the Church of Scientology cult.

577 posted on 05/20/2008 7:13:50 AM PDT by backhoe
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Jadewarr, Son Of Encryption: Updated

Ezra has the story and the links;

The Royal Canadian Mounted Police have begun an investigation into alleged criminal conduct by members of the Canadian Human Rights Commission.

The conduct in question was revealed at an extraordinary hearing on March 25th, a hearing the CHRC desperately tried to keep closed to the press.

An officer of Bell Canada, appearing under a subpoena, testified that the CHRC had hacked into a private citizen's Internet account, to cover their electronic tracks as they surfed anti-Semitic websites under the alias "Jadewarr". You can read the transcript of the hearing here -- a transcript the CHRC did not release to the public.

The victim of the CHRC's illegal hacking, Nelly Hechme, told reporters that she was "completely shocked" by the CHRC's conduct. Canada's Privacy Commissioner, who has jurisdiction over the CHRC, is now investigating the matter.


As usual, there's a round-up of recent CHRC commentary at Free Mark Steyn

Previous entries.--

It's 1:36 AM.

Rin Tin Jadewarr

Jadewarr Steps Out To The Corner Store

Jadewarr, Son Of Encryption

A glimpse in the Star Chamber - part II

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578 posted on 05/20/2008 9:21:03 AM PDT by backhoe
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CTV National contacts Lemire over RCMP/CHRC

Blazing Cat Fur has posted an update in the spirit of public minded concerns.

579 posted on 05/20/2008 11:46:01 AM PDT by backhoe
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http://www.steynonline.com/content/view/1278/128/

The Mounties meet the Jade Warrior
Tuesday, 20 May 2008

Looks like Attorney-General Rob Nicholson may have picked the wrong week to sign up with Jennifer Lynch, QC and the Stormfront members of the Canadian "Human Rights" Commission. The Royal Canadian Mounted Police have begun an investigation into possible criminal conduct by the CHRC. Ezra Levant has more. And here's some background from me on the "human rights" Stormfront boys' shenanigans that started the investigation. (Incidentally, the CHRC called up Maclean's and demanded apologies over this column, but none were forthcoming.)

Will these lively developments form part of the discussion at what reads like the world's dullest schedule for a seminar on Canada's "human rights" commissions? Don't hold your breath - not with panel topics like "Can HRCs be made more effective?" - ie, can we separate even further from the norms of Canada's legal inheritance?

In other news, Point de Bascule, the lively Quebec website, noticed a revealing line in Le Journal's story on the Quebec commission on "reasonable accommodation" (of minorities and whatnot):

L'idée d'un projet de conquête islamiste a peut-être quelques fondements en Europe, mais pas au Québec.

Or in English: "The idea of an Islamist project of conquest has perhaps some basis in Europe, but not in Quebec."


580 posted on 05/20/2008 12:00:36 PM PDT by backhoe
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