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$11 million verdict brings scrutiny of Phelps finances
Kansas City Star ^ | 11/24/07 | David Klepper

Posted on 11/24/2007 7:44:20 AM PST by Non-Sequitur

TOPEKA | Countless flights across the country. Car rentals, gas money, food and lodging. All those cardboard signs. For the 71 members of Fred Phelps’ Westboro Baptist Church, the costs of doing business must add up.

And those costs could soon grow a lot higher. A Maryland jury recently ordered Westboro to pay nearly $11 million to the father of a fallen soldier whose funeral was the subject of one of Westboro’s protests.

Many hope the lawsuit, and future ones like it, will put the notorious church out of business for good. It’s something that new funeral picketing bans, now passed in 43 states, have proved unable to do.

(Excerpt) Read more at kansascity.com ...


TOPICS: Miscellaneous; US: Kansas
KEYWORDS: billofrights; churchofhate; fredphelps; kansasphelps; westboro
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To: CitizenUSA
People that think like you are a big part of the problem. Hence, if they are not breaking a law being despicable, others have to make up and pass new laws. Therefore giving government more control over you and me. Sometimes people need to be punished for being despicable. Leave it be.
61 posted on 11/24/2007 9:43:29 AM PST by fish hawk (The religion of Darwinism = Monkey Intellect)
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To: red irish

red irish wrote: “Are you saying if this group was saying nasty things about Muslims there would not be any court action? “

No. There would likely be court action in either case. My points were:

#1 Do restrictions on offensive speech violate the 1st Amendment?

#2 Is this particular case likely to be overturned on appeal?

For whatever reasons, libs seem to rush to the defense of Muslims these days.


62 posted on 11/24/2007 9:43:50 AM PST by CitizenUSA
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To: CitizenUSA

From BreitBart...

http://www.breitbart.com/article.php?id=D8SKEED02&show_article=1

“BALTIMORE (AP) - A federal jury on Wednesday awarded the father of a fallen Marine $2.9 million in compensatory damages after finding an anti-gay Kansas church and three of its leaders liable for invasion of privacy and intent to inflict emotional distress for picketing the Marine’s funeral in 2006.”

Also...

” The jury was to begin deliberating the size of punitive damages after receiving further instructions, although U.S. District Judge Richard Bennett noted the size of the compensatory award “far exceeds the net worth of the defendants,” according to financial statements filed with the court.”

This is how they arrived at the $11 million award.

This is a civil case.

The government has no interest or involement and therefore is NOT a ‘free speech’ or First Ammendment violation of rights.

The First Ammendment does NOT protect you from a citizen suing you for libel, slander or emotional distress or any other ‘speech’ you make.

The First Ammendment was written to protect you from the Government. NOT citizens.


63 posted on 11/24/2007 9:44:56 AM PST by Bigh4u2
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To: Bigh4u2

Bigh4u2 wrote: “And the First Ammendment and ‘free speech’ have nothing to do with it.”

I didn’t know civil suites could override constitutional protections. Seriously, how can legal claims for offensive speech override a constitutional protection of free speech?

If you’re a lawyer, please explain.


64 posted on 11/24/2007 9:47:19 AM PST by CitizenUSA
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To: CitizenUSA

What is so hard to understand?
It is in black and white: Slander and Libel are not protected.


65 posted on 11/24/2007 9:48:13 AM PST by Darksheare (Cordite Chipmunk, the Splodent Rodent.)
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To: CajunConservative

CajunConservative wrote: “They don’t have the right to slander and libel people without consequence.”

slander: Oral communication of false statements injurious to a person’s reputation.

libel: A false publication, as in writing, print, signs, or pictures, that damages a person’s reputation.

No disrespect, but how did they slander and/or libel someone?


66 posted on 11/24/2007 9:50:22 AM PST by CitizenUSA
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To: Bigh4u2; Redleg Duke; Eaker

I’d say that guy is trolling, that’s why he can’t seem to understand that libel and slaner are not protected.


67 posted on 11/24/2007 9:50:52 AM PST by Darksheare (Cordite Chipmunk, the Splodent Rodent.)
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To: CitizenUSA

“I didn’t know civil suites could override constitutional protections. Seriously, how can legal claims for offensive speech override a constitutional protection of free speech?”

You are either being purposely DENSE, or you are looking for an argument.

The FIRST AMMENDMENT does NOT protect you from another citizen suing for LIBEL or SLANDER. Or any other reason.

The FIRST AMMENDMENT was written to protect your FREE SPEECH rights from the GOVERNMENT...

PERIOD.

The BILL OF RIGHTS has NOTHING to do with one citizen suing another.

READ THE CONSTITUTION...


68 posted on 11/24/2007 9:53:11 AM PST by Bigh4u2
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To: fish hawk

fish hawk wrote: “People that think like you are a big part of the problem. Hence, if they are not breaking a law being despicable, others have to make up and pass new laws. Therefore giving government more control over you and me.”

No, the problem is people who want to create laws to prevent anything that offends them.


69 posted on 11/24/2007 9:55:12 AM PST by CitizenUSA
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To: CitizenUSA

“Let me say I’m 100% opposed to Fred Phelps’ Westboro Baptist Church and what they are doing. However, this $11 million judgment bothers me. What exactly did the church do to cause $11 million of damages? They are disgusting slugs, but when did the 1st Amendment start prohibiting speech we don’t agree with? This isn’t like the case of shouting fire in a crowded theater. Public safety isn’t at risk, nor is Fred Phelps advocating (to my knowledge) illegal activities. Opinions?”

It’s because of the emotional duress inflicted upon the family for one. Secondly the funeral was more than likely a private affair and the inbreds “invaded” the family’s privacy.

Yeah phelps may have the “right” to free speech, but on the flip side the family has the “right” to sue his ass.

phelps and his klan of inbreds have no business “protesting” at these funerals because these soldiers are not public officials.

It’s nothing more than some sick demented publicity stunt.


70 posted on 11/24/2007 9:56:49 AM PST by 2CAVTrooper (A vote for ron paul in the primary IS a vote for hillary clinton in the general election)
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To: 2CAVTrooper

They’re trolling.
Don’t step in it.


71 posted on 11/24/2007 9:57:36 AM PST by Darksheare (Cordite Chipmunk, the Splodent Rodent.)
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To: Darksheare

I can’t believe someone is this dense about the Bill of Rights and the law.

Unless, of course, they’re a liberal.


72 posted on 11/24/2007 9:58:57 AM PST by Bigh4u2
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To: CitizenUSA
In a case like yours (which seems hopeless to reason) one can only say that if a loved one of yours does pass away, it would only be fair to have these idiots do what they do at your family funeral. Then, see how much you care about their rights and let us know. I have a very good friend that is against the death penalty. I tell him let some thugs take your two beautiful daughters and rape and mutilate them and then we will go on with this argument. He is in the same category as you. (that is, it hasn’t happened to you so you wont get the full significance of the act)
73 posted on 11/24/2007 10:02:19 AM PST by fish hawk (The religion of Darwinism = Monkey Intellect)
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To: Bigh4u2

Liberal trolling for a fight.
And to sit and claim they don’t support the Phelps, and then turn around and defend their behavior is not only disgusting but trolling.


74 posted on 11/24/2007 10:02:51 AM PST by Darksheare (Cordite Chipmunk, the Splodent Rodent.)
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To: Darksheare

Darksheare wrote: “It is in black and white: Slander and Libel are not protected.”

Perhaps I’m just not getting it today. I understand slander and libel are not protected. Nor is speech that creates a public safety hazard, i.e. shouting fire in a crowded theater.

How is sign stating, “God hates...” slanderous? How does it create a fear of being attacked, i.e. assault? How can a state law legally prevent speech that creates “emotional distress?”

If this is true, that someone can sue me simply for saying something that causes them emotional distress, then I don’t really have free speech any more.


75 posted on 11/24/2007 10:05:39 AM PST by CitizenUSA
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To: CitizenUSA

“Perhaps I’m just not getting it today.”

Understatement of the year.


76 posted on 11/24/2007 10:06:07 AM PST by Darksheare (Cordite Chipmunk, the Splodent Rodent.)
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To: Darksheare

“And to sit and claim they don’t support the Phelps, and then turn around and defend their behavior is not only disgusting but trolling.”

I just think this person is truly ‘misinformed’ as to how the Bill of Rights and the Constitution work.

He/she doesn’t seem to understand that the Bill of Rights was written to protect you from Government intrusion and has nothing to do with civilians suing each other.

Liberal talking points can be ingrained in anyone it seems.


77 posted on 11/24/2007 10:07:04 AM PST by Bigh4u2
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To: CitizenUSA

“Keep in mind, I agree this “church” is despicable, but unless they are breaking trespassing or other laws (not related to constitutionally protected free speech), what right do we have to punish them?”

The families have every right to sue the hell out of them.

Not only for the “emotional” harm inflicted, but for defamation, libel per se, etc.

“In law, defamation is the communication of a statement that makes a false claim, expressly stated or implied to be factual, that may harm the reputation of an individual, business, product, group, government or nation. Most jurisdictions allow legal actions, civil and/or criminal, to deter various kinds of defamation and retaliate against groundless criticism.

The common law origins of defamation lie in the torts of slander (harmful statement in a transitory form, especially speech) and libel (harmful statement in a fixed medium, especially writing but also a picture, sign, or electronic broadcast), each of which gives a common law right of action.”


78 posted on 11/24/2007 10:08:06 AM PST by 2CAVTrooper (A vote for ron paul in the primary IS a vote for hillary clinton in the general election)
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To: CitizenUSA
"If this is true, that someone can sue me simply for saying something that causes them emotional distress, then I don’t really have free speech any more." If they are not part of the Government? YES!!
79 posted on 11/24/2007 10:08:21 AM PST by Bigh4u2
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To: CitizenUSA

“How does it create a fear of being attacked, i.e. assault? “

You haven’t seen video of the Phelps, have you.
And if you have, your statements here are disingenuous and trolling.

“I understand slander and libel are not protected.”

Really?
Then why do you continue with your line of unreasoning?

“How is sign stating, “God hates...” slanderous? “

Now where did I say that sign specifically?
I didn’t.
Their slander was of our soldiers.
Got that?

“then I don’t really have free speech any more.”

You have free speech, you just aren’t free to call our soldiers baby killing rapists, libel and slander me, or anyone else.
Nor does it guarantee you an audience.
Nor does it guarantee you the ‘right to be heard’.
The rest of us can ignore you at will.
Or sue you if you are disruptive enough.

“How does it create a fear of being attacked, i.e. assault? How can a state law legally prevent speech that creates “emotional distress?””

There is REASONABLE PRESUMPTION that a funeral is a time and place of mourning and grieving.
People like you and the Phelps don’t understand this at all.
Go troll elsewhere.


80 posted on 11/24/2007 10:11:11 AM PST by Darksheare (Cordite Chipmunk, the Splodent Rodent.)
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