Exactly!
In fact, had Goldwater had the misfortune to have been a German or other European in a Nazi-occupied country, he would have been targeted for extermination because his father was Jewish!
Speaking of "the Big Lie," how about this one eminating from CBS 40 years before the fraudulent Dan Rather "expose" on W's National Guard service:
In 1964, immediately after Barry Goldwater was nominated at the GOP convention in San Francisco, CBS fabricated a story to the effect that neo-Nazis in Europe were jubilant when told of the news about Goldwater (whom they would send to gas chambers if they could). It just shows what a sleazy organization CBS was even back then!
Many left wingers like the Nazis become “right wing” when their atrocities begin to embarrass the left. They do the same thing with Stalin and the Islamofacists. When the natural results of their totalitarian beliefs become known, suddenly they are lumped with the our side as the left tries to distance themselves from those who are carrying out their own left wing beliefs. Come to think of it, I’ve heard Mao and Pol Pot referred to as “right wing” or “conservative” by the left.
But Marxism is such a specific branch of socialism -- many socialists aren't Marxists -- that his contention doesn't hold up.
Of course there are a lot of sloppy uses of the "Marxist" label as well, but since the Nazis rejected Marx as someone of Jewish ancestry, it doesn't make much sense to call them Marxists.
There were a lot of similarities between Nazism and Communism, but the Nazi utopia was first and foremost racial and the Communist one, though far from today's colorblindness, wasn't.
The Nazis were the socialist party of the times. This is left out of today’s history books but nevertheless I have said for 20 years there is not a hair’s difference between nazis, commies, dictators, and socialists. Seems the Rat party draws ever closer to join this group of elites.
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Please see my post # 61.
This is old news, but always worth repeating.
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It shows that Nazism was anti-market and had political affinities with communism. It makes a good case that there was no affinity between Nazism and big business.
I believe there is little difference between National socialism (Nazism) and International Socialism (communism). The former sought an empire with Berlin as its capital city. The latter sought an empire with Moscow as its capital city. A political continuum that stretches from national socialism to international socialism is a very short continuum. It omits the American political experiment and much of British history.
My only objection to the article may be its title! Even siblings have rivalries and these can be great, even leading to war.
The left is not logical and it can be futile to impute logic to people and movements that are driven by emotion (for example resentment of the rich) rather than by reason. Some American liberals have described communism as liberalism in a hurry. Perhaps this provides a logical basis form making distinctions: Liberals want it soon; Nazis want it very soon; Commies want it now.
I'll take Hitler's own words over yours about Nazis and Communism/Marxism...
* In the Proclamation of the Government to the German People of 1 February 1933 Hitler said: "Communism with its method of madness is making a powerful and insidious attack upon our discouraged and shattered nation. . .
"This negative, destroying spirit has spared nothing of all that is highest and most valuable. Beginning with the family, it has undermined the very foundations of morality and faith and scoffs at culture and business, nation and Fatherland, justice and honour. Fourteen years of Marxism have ruined Germany; one year of Bolshevism would destroy her. The richest and fairest territories of the world would be turned into a smoking heap of ruins."
That's just one...want more? Do your own research or not.
Nazis, communists, socialists and today’s Democrats all want to seize the means of production for their political (power) ends.
>>>The Nazis were Marxists, no matter what our tainted academia and corrupt media wishes us to believe.
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1235065/posts
EXCERPTS FROM NAKED COMMUNIST
Former FBI agent, Cleon Skoussen, in 1958, in his book, THE NAKED COMMUNIST
Excerpts from Chapter 8, Communism and World War 2
Page 156:
The Rise of Adolf Hitler and Nazism in Germany
It is said that Communism was largely responsible for the rise of Adolf Hitler and the Nazi Party. It will be recalled that when the German Kaiser capitulated in 1918 the Communists tried to take over Germany. Anticommunist political groups immediately sprang up and through a frantic coalition they prevented the Communists from seizing power. It was this anticommunist atmosphere that Adolf Hitler began his political career.
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...[Stalin] recognized in the Nazi dictator a formidable opponent of his own breed and kind. He saw that Hitler was shrewd and ruthless. He was completely amoral. He had no compunction whatever against violence, the purging of his own people, the use of deceit in propaganda, or the sacrifice of millions of lives to achieve personal power. Materialism had produced precisely the same product in Germany that it had produced in Russia. Although called by different names, Nazism and Communism were aimed at the same identical mark and were forged in very similar ideological molds.
OPINION:
Sounds like the Log Cabin Republicans and the Victory Fund Democrats.
Never forget that NAZI stands for National SOCIALISTS German Worker’s Party. They were SOCIALISTS.
There are several variants of socialism. One variant is communism where the state owns all property, and prices are determined by the state, and profits go to the state. This is socialism de jure. Another variant is Hitler’s fascistic version where property was privately owned but controlled by the state, prices were determined by the state, and profits and wages were controlled by the state. This was de facto socialism. Both were irrational altruistic, collectivistic, and statistic.
The Communists and the Nazis were in a close battle for Germany for a while until the Nazis won. Maybe they are very similar since they both descended from positivist science but they were definitely different groups of people.
The Left-Right political continuum that is popular these days is stupidly inaccurate; it should be libertarian-socialist.
the nazis were marxists, and so are the dems in this country.
Yes, I do realize that the word "socialist" occurs in the German phrase that NAZI represents, but "just because there are kittens in the oven don't make em biscuits!"
The Soviet Union and China were communist states, with socialist economies, however China has moved towards a limited fascist economy
Mark
“The American Thinker” didn’t think this through very well. The Nazis were socialists, not marxists. Anti-communism, AKA “Jewish Bolshevism”, was Adolph’s big talking point.
Be warned there are some disturbing pictures:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mT3v3wNyET8
Evil is powerless if good people are unafraid. Ronald Reagan
I have no fear. Angels follow me wherever I may go. And He that walks with me, who can be against me?
There are sectors of the "right"--and even of the conservative movement--that base their opposition to the Left not on economic theories but on notions of tradition, "nature," and "organic" and "wholistic" theories of life. There is more stress on this than on specific economic policies in Nazi "anti-Communist" rhetoric, and in that of distributivists, social credit advocates, European conservatives, and even some American "palaeos." An amazing number of people who consider themselves to be "real conservatives" advocate such things as the abolition of interest and even nationalization of the banks.
For the record, I also think that some conservatives overstress economics to the detriment of G-d and morality.
One final critique: the author contradicts himself when he first describes German industrialists as being anti-Nazi specifically because of Nazi socialism and then turns right around and describes German industrialists as being pro-Bolshevik. So were German industrialists for or against socialism?