Video: Will Giuliani drive social conservatives from the GOP?

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[AmericaUnited]

You really live in some kind of fantasy world. If The Witch and her ilk get in, this country might not survive or the damage could take 40 years to undo.

I will heartily vote for Satan himself vs The Witch and will drag 10 friends,neighbors, coworkers to the polls to do likewise.

[Kevmo]

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Posted on 11/15/2007 3:43:17 AM PST by Kevmo

[EasySt]

"You really live in some kind of fantasy world. If The Witch and her ilk get in, this country might not survive or the damage could take 40 years to undo."

Exactly so, but the problem is, on far too many issues, Rudy IS her ilk.

"I will heartily vote for Satan himself vs The Witch and will drag 10 friends,neighbors, coworkers to the polls to do likewise."

In that case, you don't need any conservatives to help you put another liberal in the White House. You might even get the liberal you want, but I won't be voting for Rudy to save us from Hillary, first because it won't work, and second because if by some perverse miracle it does work, conservatives will no longer have any meaningful say in the GOP anyway.

Either way, in the long run you get the very damage you are trying to scare me into voting Liberal with. The exact same arguments were made for Arnold Schwarzenegger. I'm through voting for Liberals, and I'm NOT alone. Blame me and those like me all you want, but you've had fair warning.

And if you LIKE Rudy, what the MSM is going to do to him if he gets the nomination is REALLY going to make you sick. He would have been far better off running as a Democrat. Nominate Rudy and you will get what you fear the most.

[NavVet]

What a vacuous, sophomoric thing to say. It is not even clear what pathetic point you are trying to make. Perhaps English is not your native tongue, but how is claiming to be aware of the damage Hillary could do, an admission of ignorance?

You might want to ponder the Lincoln quote. “Better to be silent and thought a fool, than to speak up and remove all doubt”

[NavVet]

What a vacuous, sophomoric thing to say. It is not even clear what pathetic point you are trying to make. Perhaps English is not your native tongue, but how is claiming to be aware of the damage Hillary could do, an admission of ignorance?

You might want to ponder the Lincoln quote. “Better to be silent and thought a fool, than to speak up and remove all doubt”

[AmericaUnited]

Blah, blah, blah. Save the drama queen response. Yes I did misread “unaware” for “aware”, BUT THAT MAKES IT EVEN WORSE FOR YOU. You know the damage that Hitlery could do and yet would help get her elected. Sorry, I zero respect for useful idiots.

[NavVet]

You admit you are illiterate and then call me an idiot. Ironic, since your post starts off with the sophomoric “Blah, blah, blah. Save the drama queen response”.

Since a recent poll shows Hillary losing to all Republican candidates, I don’t see how opposing the leftist Giuliani, helps Hillary. I do however, see how blindly supporting the extreme left-wing Giuliani could do greater long term damage to the conservative movement, than Hillary could ever hope to do, since Giuliani would have no political opposition while in office.

Sorry about your lack of self-respect. You might want to consider buying a Stewart Smiley book.

[AmericaUnited]

Since a recent poll shows Hillary losing to all Republican candidates, I don’t see how opposing the leftist Giuliani, helps Hillary.

That poll is the only one that has said that plus it doesn't factor in any of the scenarios being discussed so for you to tout it is somewhat clueless.

[HiramQuick]

That is weak, very weak. A liberal dirtbag is a liberal dirtbag. Why will he appoint conservative judges? Because he said so on the campaign trail? Abortion, 2nd mmendment ...he’s done more tapdancing than a “Lawrence Welk” traveling show. Did he have a come to Jesus moment only on Judges. What other constitutional things has he had a come to Jesus moment with.

Leadership I don’t doubt. That is where he shines above Hillary. Oter than that there is not much difference. Why not Bloomber. He has an “R” behind his name as well ... and was a democrat before just like Rudy.

Sorry ...Ohio is a state full of RINO dirtbags. We threw one senator put and another one should have been and will be. Nothing more worthless than a crybaby like Voinabitch that has his parts rubbed raw straddling a fence. I detest people lke that. The Senate is full of them .... one by one they are disappearing ...goodby Frist ...Good bye Lott. Don’t let the door hitcha ... where the good lord splitcha.

[NavVet]

The scenarios being discussed, by you at any rate seem to be that a vote for anyone but Rudy, would be handing the White House to Hillary. And although it is only one poll, it does appear to reflect growing realization that Hillary may not be electable against any Republican Candidate. However, even if you were to argue that a vote for Rudy minimizes the liklihood that Hillary would win (which I doubt), at some point you have to take some risk. Particularly, when the alternative is basically to sell out the conservative moment.

If the Rudybots have their way, conservatives will become the African-Americans of the Republican party, reliable votes for candidates that conflict with their principles and values 90% of the time.

By all means vote for the socialist candidate of your choosing. As for us clueless conservatives, with the courage of our convictions, we’ll vote for Thompson or Hunter

[aruanan]

Video: Will Giuliani drive social conservatives from the GOP?

No, he will drive social conservatives to another, more conservative GOP candidate, leaving Giuliani out on the political curb with his spray bottle and squeegee.

[AmericaUnited]

If the Rudybots have their way, conservatives will become the African-Americans of the Republican party, reliable votes for candidates that conflict with their principles and values 90% of the time.

If the RAT candidate is someone like Richards, then fine, not all that much harm will be done and it would be better to send a message. BUT... you don't play those games when the candidate is someone like The Witch and her ilk.

[EasySt]

"BUT... you don't play those games when the candidate is someone like The Witch and her ilk."

But nothing. Rudy IS Hillary's ilk. There is far less difference between Rudy and Hillary (Especially on Social Conservative issues) than there is between any two of the other top 4 or 5 Republican candidates.

The biggest, most outrageous lie in the entire campaign is that Rudy will appoint strict constructionist judges. Oh, he'll weakly go through the motions, knowing Congress will do their part, and then we'll get judges that turn out to be pro-abortion, pro-illegal immigration, pro-gun control, pro-gay marriage, pro-big government authority just like he and Hillary really want. Just exactly like all the other judges he's already appointed in his career. And with him doing it, the GOP won't even put up a fight.

When he loses the Republican nomination, Hillary should offer him the VP spot on her ticket. (Thank God she's not that smart.)

[AmericaUnited]

From another thread...

Yesterday two polling firms -- Zogby and Gallup -- released surveys of the presidential race that offered strikingly different conclusions. The Zogby poll found that Hillary is trailing five leading GOP candidates in general election matchups. The Gallup Poll, by contrast, found that Hillary, and to a lesser degree Obama, has a slight to sizable lead over the top GOP contenders.

A couple of other things that distinguish these two polls: The Zogby one is an online poll, a notoriously unreliable method, while the Gallup one is a telephone poll. And, as Charles Franklin of Pollster.com observed yesterday, the Zogby poll is completely out of sync with multiple other national polls finding Hillary with a lead over the GOP candidates.

[NavVet]

That does cause me more concern. Not enough to vote for Rudy, but some. I’ve seen several polls that have fully 50% of likely voters that say they would never vote for Hillary under any circumstances. This gives her very little margin of error.

These polls always oversample Dems as well and they tend to be weighted in a manner that benefits the Dem candidate.