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Video: Will Giuliani drive social conservatives from the GOP?
Fox News ^ | November 24, 2007

Posted on 11/25/2007 9:28:09 PM PST by Kurt Evans

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To: dsc
"The greatest catastrophe would be to discover that there is no significant number of men left in the US who are willing to take up arms against tyranny."

There sir, you are most certainly correct.

61 posted on 11/25/2007 10:56:05 PM PST by Desron13 (If you constantly vote between the lesser of two evils then evil is your ultimate destination.)
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To: Extremely Extreme Extremist

I don’t know how old you are EEE, or if you were voting age in ‘92 but, I was. I was so ticked at George H. W. Bush for his “Read my lips...” debacle that I voted for Ross Perot.

I, and millions of other Americans regret that vote because it gave us 8 years of Bill Clinton and, from the way it’s looking now, possibly 8 more year of a more nefarious Clinton; Hillary.

Please reconsider.


62 posted on 11/25/2007 10:58:00 PM PST by no dems (Don't hate me and call me names because you can't reply to my posts intelligently.)
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To: JillValentine
Good point. It is lost on some, though, who seem to live in crisis mode, or intentionally misinterpret points made.

We are turning into a party of Chicken Littles. I'd rather a Rudy or any Republican--even a RINO--over Hillary. Some people seem to think that means I WANT a RINO, but I can't prevent people from lying about the point. Rudy wouldn't destroy this party. What is destroying this party is that it is becoming so very narrow in its views that it is pushing people like me away--people who aren't moderate, but aren't religious conservatives, either.

In the process, conservatives will leave the party and completely doom any possibility of changing the party from within. I have heard this ridiculous "I stand on my principles, you don't" crap forever, and it is so childish, so lacking in realism.

Ronald Reagan was a conservative who understood that he couldn't have it his way all the time. Thinking about such things as his signing of an amnesty bill into law, I have to wonder how many people here would be calling him "Ronaldo" the way they call the president "Jorge". The definition of a Republican is getting narrower and narrower, and those who threaten to stalk off seem to think they will just establish a True Conservative Party and start running things. They are deluded.

RINOs won't kill us, because the people who toss that label around don't seem to know what being a Republican means.

63 posted on 11/25/2007 11:00:04 PM PST by Darkwolf377 (...sigh...)
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To: pollywog

“And we will no longer listen to Sean Hannity ...”

I’ve dramatically reduced my Hannity exposure. He seemed to be encouraging me to fear Hillary Clinton more than God.


64 posted on 11/25/2007 11:04:23 PM PST by Kurt Evans (This message not approved by any candidate or candidate's committee.)
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To: Darkwolf377
Even most of the people here who say they will vote for Rudy seem to more resigned than happy about it. How many posters do you see that think he is just what America needs? If everyone would quit being so scared and just voted your heart we could have DH or FT as a nominee. Stating, no because they can’t win is a self fulfilling result IMO.
65 posted on 11/25/2007 11:07:17 PM PST by CindyDawg
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To: Desron13

Not this social conservative. I’m not a huge Rudy fan, but I did like him as Mayor of NYC. I don’t think he’s Satan, lol. I like Duncan Hunter but I don’t think he’ll win the primary.

The GOP isn’t socially conservative or even fiscally conservative anymore. It hasn’t been for the last few years at least.

I’m hoping a huge movement for a 3rd party happens soon, soon enough for the 2012 election. A social, fiscal conservative party that is strong when it comes to WOT, Immigration, any US interests.

Unfortunately, I think we’re gonna be screwed and then the country will wake up. Well, the part of the country that’s still asleep anyway. So much that is happening is so mirroring WWII and immediately prior to WWII. I just pray the US is as strong as it was then. We seem so soft now but I still have hope.


66 posted on 11/25/2007 11:07:47 PM PST by Twink
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To: CindyDawg

I suspect it isn’t going to work this time around either. The Party isn’t going to be united behind whoever the nominee is I fear.

I get the impression from many that they would rather see President Hillary if they can’t get their candidate nominated. It is the same kind of thinking that some German political parties voted with Hitler thinking they could either control him or he would be weak and they could then replace him with their own.


67 posted on 11/25/2007 11:09:11 PM PST by Swiss
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To: Darkwolf377
What you are saying is that it's the fiscal conservatives that are abandoning the social conservatives..not the other way around. Social conservatives have not changed their core principles.

So the premise of this article is misleading and manipulative.

68 posted on 11/25/2007 11:11:07 PM PST by Earthdweller (All reality is based on faith in something.)
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To: CindyDawg

Great point. My attitude is vote your heart in the primary, vote R in the final election.


69 posted on 11/25/2007 11:12:01 PM PST by Darkwolf377 (...sigh...)
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To: Darkwolf377

Interesting that you mentioned Ronald Reagan. I was reading Deaver’s book about him and was reminded that Reagan picked a moderate to liberal running mate in 1976.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Richard_Schweiker


70 posted on 11/25/2007 11:15:04 PM PST by Swiss
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To: Swiss

It’s a faith issue with me. I’m ok with voting for what I believe is right.


71 posted on 11/25/2007 11:16:12 PM PST by CindyDawg
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To: Darkwolf377

We’ll see. It depends on who’s playing:’)


72 posted on 11/25/2007 11:19:08 PM PST by CindyDawg
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To: Darkwolf377
My attitude is vote your heart in the primary, vote R in the final election.

A dictator would love this setup. The liberal MSM and the deep pockets unite to pick the candidates to present to the sheeple and then we give him our backing 100% all the while thinking we actually had a say in it all.

Yeha!

Welcome to the peoples republic of America.

73 posted on 11/25/2007 11:21:04 PM PST by Earthdweller (All reality is based on faith in something.)
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To: babygene
If you support Rudy, YOU might as well be supporting Hillary...

Why just vote for a cheap imitation? Get the real thing, cankles and all.

I'm going to vote Conservative, whatever party that involves.

74 posted on 11/25/2007 11:25:29 PM PST by Smokin' Joe (How often God must weep at humans' folly.)
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To: Earthdweller
A dictator would love this setup.

yawn

How silly.

75 posted on 11/25/2007 11:25:42 PM PST by Darkwolf377 (...sigh...)
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To: CindyDawg
Even most of the people here who say they will vote for Rudy seem to more resigned than happy about it. How many posters do you see that think he is just what America needs?

I think its illegal here to promote RG, or you will be purged, so there is a zero possibility of that discussion.
76 posted on 11/25/2007 11:25:47 PM PST by roses of sharon
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To: Swiss

Interesting. He also strongly considered Ford for VP, and I don’t think anyone considers Bush 41 a conservative, and he was even less of one when he ran for president in that election.


77 posted on 11/25/2007 11:26:53 PM PST by Darkwolf377 (...sigh...)
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To: Darkwolf377

If you are tired..go back to sleep, it’s fine by me.


78 posted on 11/25/2007 11:29:28 PM PST by Earthdweller (All reality is based on faith in something.)
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To: roses of sharon

Well if he can split up FRiends that doesn’t bode well for the party does it?


79 posted on 11/25/2007 11:30:02 PM PST by CindyDawg
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To: Earthdweller

No, just tired of the childishness.


80 posted on 11/25/2007 11:33:49 PM PST by Darkwolf377 (...sigh...)
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