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Gun Rights and Presidential Politics
Townhall.com ^ | November 26, 2007 | Ken Blackwell

Posted on 11/26/2007 5:24:25 AM PST by Kaslin

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To: MrB
Well, specifically, yes, but in a more general way, the way SCOTUS can sometimes find government powers enumerated without words in a document specifically designed to explicitly list every power the government was allowed.

The case is different with individual rights. The benefit of the doubt is supposed to go to the states over the feds and to the individual over any level of government unless one can find in the Constitution words to the contrary. So individual rights don't have to be listed to be valid, like govt powers.

However, even here SCOTUS can err, as in Roe by asserting an unlisted individual right (abortion) that conflicts with a listed individual right (life), or by exalting the feds over states on a matter that is not properly theirs to regulate. In Roe, I believe they did both.

21 posted on 11/26/2007 7:08:55 AM PST by Still Thinking (Quis custodiet ipsos custodes?)
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To: MrB

Ooh! I like that! Sign me up.


22 posted on 11/26/2007 7:09:59 AM PST by Still Thinking (Quis custodiet ipsos custodes?)
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To: Kaslin
Adrian Fenty is either insane, stupid, or evil.

People like this fall into one of 3 catagories.

Some are insane. They do not recognize factual history or logic. Something is fundamentally broken inside their heads.

Some are Stupid. They just don't have the intellectual capacity to think for themselves. They parrot what others tell them as they cannot conceive of some ideas on their own.

Some are Evil. They know what they do is wrong. They don't care. Their goal is control over us. No matter how high the bodies must be stacked.

Adrian, IMO, flips back and forth between Evil and Stupid.

23 posted on 11/26/2007 7:11:50 AM PST by Dead Corpse (What would a free man do?)
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To: MrB

I know that.


24 posted on 11/26/2007 7:12:02 AM PST by Beagle8U (FreeRepublic -- One stop shopping ....... Its the Conservative Super WalMart for news .)
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To: Kaslin
From the New York Times, March 8, 1994----

Democratic lawmakers praised the Mayor's push for gun control. "It would be great if Mayor Giuliani could become the point Republican pushing comprehensive gun control legislation," said Representative Charles E. Schumer, the Brooklyn Democrat who is the leading proponent of handgun control in the House of Representatives.

A liberal bully President Giuliani and Chuckie Schumer will have LOTS of chances to work together in a bi-partisan manner on this and many other issues in Rudy's liberal social agenda. /s

25 posted on 11/26/2007 7:12:42 AM PST by stockstrader (We need a conservative who will ENERGIZE the Party, not a liberal who will DEMORALIZE it!)
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To: Still Thinking

Just finished a great book - “Politically Incorrect Guide to the Constitution”.

The federal gov’t nearly IMMEDIATELY reneged on the promise of enumerated powers. (Marshall)

Basically, there were those that were nationalists - Hamilton - that wanted a supreme national gov’t, and the states wouldn’t ratify, so they argued enumeration until ratification, then governed as they wished anyway.


26 posted on 11/26/2007 7:17:57 AM PST by MrB (You can't reason people out of a position that they didn't use reason to get into in the first place)
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To: stockstrader
#1 reason I will not, cannot, vote for Rudy. Willard and John are right behind him and for the same reason.

No more gun grabbers. EVER...

27 posted on 11/26/2007 7:18:06 AM PST by Dead Corpse (What would a free man do?)
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To: longtermmemmory

the difference being; you’ll occsionally see giuliani in a dress :)


28 posted on 11/26/2007 7:18:56 AM PST by absolootezer0 (Only two products have come out of Berkeley: LSD and UNIX. Coincidence? I think not.)
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To: MrB
A lot of us have noted Marshall's calumny in subverting things almost from the outset. The language of the legislation used to pass the BoR, the 14th Amendment, and subsequent court cases have all been part of the "tug of war" between those wanting more government power, and those wanting freedom.

It's a "tug of war" we're losing BTW... just in case anyone is keeping score.

29 posted on 11/26/2007 7:19:50 AM PST by Dead Corpse (What would a free man do?)
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To: MrB
Basically, there were those that were nationalists - Hamilton - that wanted a supreme national gov?t, and the states wouldn?t ratify, so they argued enumeration until ratification, then governed as they wished anyway.

Hmmm, yes. Hamilton, not my favorite founder.

30 posted on 11/26/2007 7:27:29 AM PST by Still Thinking (Quis custodiet ipsos custodes?)
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To: MrB

In Hamilton’s defense, he definitely wasn’t a gun grabber ...


31 posted on 11/26/2007 7:33:19 AM PST by eastsider
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To: Beagle8U

Correct, Mitt strongly supported and passed an “ugly gun” ban.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kk1bJOpYUqE

Some things just can’t be fixed by joining the NRA two weeks before running for office.


32 posted on 11/26/2007 7:35:18 AM PST by TheThirdRuffian
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To: padre35

The 2000 Presidential election was won by Bush, because of Gore’s stance on banning guns. All Gore had to do to be President is win his own home state, but even the Tennesee voters did not like his stance on Gun rights.


33 posted on 11/26/2007 7:36:46 AM PST by thirst4truth
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To: TheThirdRuffian
Check the transcript of the second debate this year.

Romney clearly stated that he STILL supports a assault weapons ban!

He’s running national now so he is talking a national ban!

34 posted on 11/26/2007 7:52:29 AM PST by Beagle8U (FreeRepublic -- One stop shopping ....... Its the Conservative Super WalMart for news .)
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To: thirst4truth
The only reason the vote was as close as it was is that Bush is VERY weak on 2A issues. His support for a renewed AWB wasn't exactly a ringing endorsement.

His failure to over turn his Fathers, or even Clinton's, anti-RKBA EO's speaks volumes.

Enough of this crap. Hunter and Thompson are both far and above any of the other GOP contenders. On a whole host of issues. Why are we even discussing anyone else?

Are we willing to risk another "Brady Bill" Bob Dole election just because Rudy and Willard are media hyped darlings that are good at giving the illusion of "electability"?

35 posted on 11/26/2007 7:55:13 AM PST by Dead Corpse (What would a free man do?)
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To: Dead Corpse

Who the heck is Willard? From yours and other posts it sounds like it’s Romney, but I don’t get the reference.


36 posted on 11/26/2007 8:03:09 AM PST by Still Thinking (Quis custodiet ipsos custodes?)
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To: Still Thinking

Willard is “Mitt” Romney’s real first name.


37 posted on 11/26/2007 8:09:12 AM PST by Dead Corpse (What would a free man do?)
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To: Dead Corpse
Are we willing to risk another "Brady Bill" Bob Dole election just because Rudy and Willard are media hyped darlings that are good at giving the illusion of "electability"?

Not me, deeds not words are what counts. Rudy has proven himself to be a gun grabber and a homosexual special rights guy, say NO to Rudy!!! Electibility is a shame, the Constitution and America is what is at risk, big time!!

38 posted on 11/26/2007 8:10:04 AM PST by thirst4truth
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To: Dead Corpse

I see why he goes by Mitt. Or better yet, just invent a new first name out of whole cloth. “Mitt” ain’t all that great.


39 posted on 11/26/2007 8:10:28 AM PST by Still Thinking (Quis custodiet ipsos custodes?)
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To: thirst4truth
Electibility is a shame, the Constitution and America is what is at risk, big time!!

And it is past due time more folks realize this...

40 posted on 11/26/2007 8:11:59 AM PST by Dead Corpse (What would a free man do?)
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