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(MA)Pols debate ban on spanking
Boston Herald ^ | November 27, 2007 | Laurel J. Sweet

Posted on 11/27/2007 5:09:42 AM PST by GQuagmire

Parents who spank their kids - even in their own homes - would be slapped by the long arm of the law under an Arlington nurse’s proposal to make Massachusetts the first state in the nation to outlaw corporal punishment.


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Miscellaneous; US: Massachusetts
KEYWORDS: nannystate; spanking
Kathleen Wolf’s proposed legislation will be debated at a State House hearing tomorrow morning.

If signed into law, parents would be prohibited from forcefully laying a hand on any child under age 18 unless it was to wrest them from danger, lest they be charged with abuse or neglect.

Rep. Jay Kaufman, a Lexington Democrat, submitted the 61-year-old Wolf’s petition at her request, but is not taking a position for or against corporal punishment.

“He does recognize and understand the concern many would have on legislating parental rights,” said Sean Fitzgerald, Kaufman’s chief of staff, “but the problem is the boundary is often overstepped. The right to hit should never be the right to hurt.”

Charles Enloe, 45, of Plymouth, knows a little something about that. In 2005, he was infamously arrested and charged with assault with a dangerous weapon for taking a belt to his then 12-year-old son during an argument over homework.

The charges were later dropped and Enloe told the Herald yesterday the experience “didn’t change my views at all. I believe discipline starts at home. Are they going to start legislating that you can’t raise your voice to your kids? That you can’t tell them when to go to bed? We’ll be communists then.”

The state Supreme Judicial Court agreed in principle when it ruled in 1999 that parents can spank their kids provided they don’t threaten bodily injury.

Corporal punishment in the home is already illegal in Austria, Bulgaria, Croatia, Cyprus, Denmark, Finland, Germany, Greece, Hungary, Iceland, Israel, Latvia, the Netherlands, New Zealand, Norway, Portugal, Romania, Sweden and the Ukraine.

In 1979, Sweden became the first country in the world to ban spanking. Anders Erickson, spokesman for the Embassy of Sweden in Washington, D.C., said in the 1960s 53 percent of Swedes backed corporal punishment of children. By the 1990s, that number was less than 10 percent.

“There are other ways and means to bring up children than to beat them,” Erickson said. “Much better ways.”

An ombudsman is available to children in Sweden to report allegations of corporal punishment. Parents face jail time if it’s found they’ve stepped out of line.

1 posted on 11/27/2007 5:09:43 AM PST by GQuagmire
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To: traviskicks

ping


2 posted on 11/27/2007 5:10:48 AM PST by bamahead (Few men desire liberty; The majority are satisfied with a just master. -- Sallust)
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To: GQuagmire

Well, they have outlawed crime, and that has worked pretty well for them...


3 posted on 11/27/2007 5:14:36 AM PST by battlecry
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To: bamahead
Parents who spank their kids - even in their own homes - would be slapped by the long arm of the law under an Arlington nurse’s proposal to make Massachusetts the first state in the nation to outlaw corporal punishment.

Well, we don't want to impugn little Spencers self esteem now, do we?

4 posted on 11/27/2007 5:19:09 AM PST by Puppage (You may disagree with what I have to say, but I shall defend to your death my right to say it)
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To: GQuagmire

Yes, byt Kathleen Wolf knows what’s best for all of us. Her opinion is what counts. My bet is she’ll be running for office soon enough, ‘specially if this goes down the bowl.


5 posted on 11/27/2007 5:19:12 AM PST by theDentist (Qwerty ergo typo : I type, therefore I misspelll.)
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To: GQuagmire

Asinine doesn’t begin to do justice to this article.


6 posted on 11/27/2007 5:22:24 AM PST by Red in Blue PA (Truth : Liberals :: Kryptonite : Superman)
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To: GQuagmire

This is a frightening reality check at how far we have descended from the “home of the brave and the land of the free”. This is the worst form of nanny stateism whose unintended consequences will be nothing short of tyranny by children holding their parents at bay with threats of reporting them to the police for spanking them. I shudder at the thought and can’t help but wonder how many parents will end their part of the tyranny by abdicating their role as parents and turning their progeny completely over to the state?

I can’t help but imagine that Ayn Rand is lying in her grave screaming “I tried to warn you!” How could she know that we would become so deaf??


7 posted on 11/27/2007 5:30:34 AM PST by DustyMoment (FloriDUH - proud inventors of pregnant/hanging chads and judicide!!)
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To: GQuagmire

Massachusetts ....

Need we say more? Oh yeah, Mitt Romney.


8 posted on 11/27/2007 5:31:47 AM PST by colorcountry (To anger a conservative, lie to him. To anger a liberal, tell him the truth.)
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To: bamahead
We’ll be communists then.

Uh, dude--you're from Mass. You're ALREADY communists. And you keep voting the same damn commies in every single election and wondering why NH shudders every time one of you (or another flatlander) moves up here?
9 posted on 11/27/2007 5:32:25 AM PST by OCCASparky (Steely-Eyed Killer of the Deep)
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To: GQuagmire

There are enough child abuse laws on the books already without taking away effective parenting tools like a swat on the butt. Some behavior needs immediate negative consequences.

Kathleen Wolf is just one more person trying further erode the importance of family. It’s part of an all out effort to deamonize parents and further separate them from their children. After all “it’s for the children”. Let’s make criminals out of the parents for spanking and let the pedophiles skate free. The twisted liberal logic can be mind-numbing.


10 posted on 11/27/2007 5:34:46 AM PST by MichiganCheese (Pray for our nation's boys, our future will be determined by the kind of men we bring them up to be.)
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To: GQuagmire; raccoonradio

Howie Carr should have a ball with this one this afternoon.


11 posted on 11/27/2007 5:47:58 AM PST by libertarian27 (Land of the Fee, Home of the Shamed)
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To: LongElegantLegs

Parenting ping.


12 posted on 11/27/2007 6:01:21 AM PST by Vor Lady (Objects in vehicle are better armed than they appear...)
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To: GQuagmire

Giving the state the right to take children from loving parents.


13 posted on 11/27/2007 6:13:49 AM PST by Greg F (Duncan Hunter is a good man.)
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To: GQuagmire

http://www.mass.gov/legis/bills/house/184/ht01pdf/ht01787.pdf


14 posted on 11/27/2007 6:16:30 AM PST by TornadoAlley3 ( An appeaser is one who feeds a crocodile, hoping that it will eat him last..)
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To: bamahead
Ban spanking in Mass?

I guess it'll still be legal for prancing homos in heat, just not responsible parents when disciplining their children.

15 posted on 11/27/2007 6:20:48 AM PST by DocH (RINO-rudy for BRONX Dog Catcher 2008!!!)
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To: GQuagmire

Charles Enloe, 45, of Plymouth, knows a little something about that. In 2005, he was infamously arrested and charged with assault with a dangerous weapon for taking a belt to his then 12-year-old son during an argument over homework.

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Damn, I’d be in jail. I have a special belt for my kids. Once they reach a certain age (12) the hand on the hiney is useless...

Actually grounding works real good, but sometimes a wakeup call is needed.


16 posted on 11/27/2007 6:34:09 AM PST by Southerngl
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To: bamahead; Abathar; Abcdefg; Abram; akatel; albertp; AlexandriaDuke; Alexander Rubin; Allerious; ...




Libertarian ping! To be added or removed from my ping list freepmail me or post a message here.
17 posted on 11/27/2007 8:20:58 AM PST by traviskicks (http://www.neoperspectives.com/Ron_Paul_2008.htm)
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To: libertarian27

yup—I’ll link this article to the Howie ping. thanks!


18 posted on 11/27/2007 9:06:29 AM PST by raccoonradio
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To: Vor Lady

Thanks; Those retards. I wonder what kind of birthrate these non-spanking countries have? If I couldn’t discipline my kids, I wouldn’t want any.


19 posted on 11/27/2007 9:37:14 AM PST by LongElegantLegs (Kill them with kindness, then taser them for fun.)
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To: theDentist

I wonder if this moonbat Wolf is related to the other moonbat Wolf (Naomi) that’s running around trying to promote her latest collection of insanity,some screed cooked up by her and published by some company who doesn’t mind wasting money.
Just curious...


20 posted on 11/27/2007 10:00:59 AM PST by gimme1ibertee (God Rides a Harley-when his VTX is in the shop,that is!!)
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To: gimme1ibertee
Arlington. A guy that lived there told me that when the commonwealth finally got around to allowing "right on red after stop", that city put up signs "no right on red" at all the traffic lights.

And, I think he said it's a dry town, as far as retail goes, but it's been a while.

21 posted on 11/27/2007 10:39:45 AM PST by Calvin Locke
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To: Calvin Locke

?????
Calvin,I believe you have me mixed up with someone else you intended to reply to....:)


22 posted on 11/28/2007 9:56:16 AM PST by gimme1ibertee (God Rides a Harley-when his VTX is in the shop,that is!!)
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