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Does the Fear of Jail Actually Prevent Crime?
Fox News ^ | November 27, 2007 | John Lott, Jr.

Posted on 11/28/2007 5:24:39 AM PST by libstripper

According to a brand-new and extensively covered study by the JFA Institute, a George Soros funded group, the U.S. prison system doesn’t deter crime and is "a costly and harmful failure.”

Prison is supposedly so useless that the U.S. prison population could be cut in half with no effect on crime.

This distrust of prison reducing crime is not new, but many have a hard time believing the simplest rule of economics: if you make something more costly, people do less of it. People accept that this principle applies to what we buy in grocery stores, but not to “bad” things that people might do.

So how plausible is deterrence? Let us take a couple examples from sports.

When college basketball’s Atlantic Coast Conference increased the number of referees per game from two to three in 1978, the number of fouls dropped by 34 percent. Why? Basketball players fouled less often because they were more likely to get caught. In fact, the actual decline in fouling was probably even larger, since fouls that may have gone unnoticed by two referees were more likely to be caught when there were three officials.

Baseball players respond no differently. The American League has more batters hit by pitchers than the National League, but this difference only occurred after 1973, when the American League removed its pitchers from the batting lineup in favor of designated hitters. Since American League pitchers no longer worried that they themselves would be hit in retaliation if they hit an opposing batter, they began throwing more beanballs.

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TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Culture/Society; Editorial; Government; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: crime; johnlott; lott; prison; soros
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John does a good job here of poking a hole in another piece of Soros funded idiocy.
1 posted on 11/28/2007 5:24:41 AM PST by libstripper
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To: libstripper

Having been in jail a few times myself I wouldn’t call it fear but I do know that I don’t want to go back.


2 posted on 11/28/2007 5:27:41 AM PST by cripplecreek (Only one consistent conservative in this race and his name is Hunter.)
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If fear of prison deters crime, then great, but it it isnt the point. Prison is a punishment.

Fear of prison does deter allot of crime, but not everyone fears it. Decent people fear it, the turds on the street dont. Prison is supposed to be a punishment.

If the death penalty deters crime, then super! There again, it is a punishment.

3 posted on 11/28/2007 5:31:53 AM PST by GregoTX (The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing.)
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To: libstripper
I see three choices when people do bad things:

1) Put them in prison.
2) Kill them
3) Do nothing, and shrug off the whole concept of "people do bad things".

If putting people in prison is foolish, then I guess we're down to just two choices ...

4 posted on 11/28/2007 5:31:55 AM PST by ClearCase_guy (The broken wall, the burning roof and tower. And Agamemnon dead.)
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“Does the Fear of Jail Actually Prevent Crime?”

Is the author referring to the old Graybar Hotel? Three hots and a cot, complete health coverage, gym facilities, library privileges and vocational education - all funded by John Q. Taxpayer... of course it deters crime! Who in their right mind would want to be subjected to that sort of torment???


5 posted on 11/28/2007 5:33:48 AM PST by Jack Hammer (here)
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To: libstripper

Not if your last name is Clinton.


6 posted on 11/28/2007 5:37:11 AM PST by Sig Sauer P220
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Now I'm just confused. I thought the left wanted us to have people in prison so we could rehabilitate them and release them into society, not as a deterrent to crime.

It's amazing how easily they overlook basic logic. More police in an area == less crime, more people going to prison from crimes == less crime. I live on the border of two counties in Texas. One has a reputation for being especially tough on crime, the other is more lax. Police friends have told me stores of being in pursuit of people and them screeching to a stop just to avoid being picked up in the "tough" county. May or may not be true, but it makes for a good story.
7 posted on 11/28/2007 5:37:30 AM PST by faloi
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To: libstripper

Well there Soros the crime rate started to fall in this country when three strikes became fashionable. Does your study see no correlation? If not you need new researchers.


8 posted on 11/28/2007 5:37:40 AM PST by mad_as_he$$ (Illegal Immigration, a Clear and Present Danger.)
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To: ClearCase_guy

I prefer number 2. Saves money.


9 posted on 11/28/2007 5:38:11 AM PST by mad_as_he$$ (Illegal Immigration, a Clear and Present Danger.)
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To: ClearCase_guy

4.) Brand them on the forehead.
5.) Cane them.
6.) Sent them to the principal’s office.


10 posted on 11/28/2007 5:42:59 AM PST by Lonesome in Massachussets (NYT Headline: Protocols of the Learned Elders of CBS: Fake but Accurate, Experts Say)
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To: libstripper

Yep - if they make jail an actual punishment instead of a time-out, it might make a better deterrent. No TV, no smokes, no booze, no drugs, no sex, o cosmetic surgery, just a Spartan, life-sustaining existence with daily hardships like hard labor, etc., and it just might do what it was designed to do before the ACLU got hold of it.


11 posted on 11/28/2007 5:44:33 AM PST by trebb ("I am the way... no one comes to the Father, but by me..." - Jesus in John 14:6 (RSV))
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Does the Fear of Jail Actually Prevent Crime?

The fear of the DEATH PENALTY doesn't prevent crime.

The only thing that prevents crime is a dead criminal.

12 posted on 11/28/2007 5:46:00 AM PST by Puppage (You may disagree with what I have to say, but I shall defend to your death my right to say it)
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Not as much as fear of a bullet.


13 posted on 11/28/2007 5:46:33 AM PST by Larry Lucido (Hunter 2008)
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To: libstripper

Solution: put the basketball and baseball teams in prison.


14 posted on 11/28/2007 5:49:36 AM PST by azhenfud (The fool hath said in his heart, There is no God.)
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To: libstripper

In our society, prison only deters those who are inclined to obey the law anyway. Criminals think we are dummies for obeying the law, because many of them understand that if they break the law they will either not get caught, will have a lengthy delay until punished, and punishment is not likely to be severe.


15 posted on 11/28/2007 5:50:40 AM PST by rlmorel (Liberals: If the Truth would help them, they would use it.)
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To: libstripper

I was under the impression that having criminals in an effective prison was 100% effective at keeping them from committing a crime against society for the duration of the sentence. If prisons are not reducing crime enough, the problem must be that the sentences are too short.


16 posted on 11/28/2007 5:51:11 AM PST by RogerD
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To: libstripper

Well, jail time should be a serious deterrent to anyone with half a brain and and ounce of consciousness.


17 posted on 11/28/2007 5:51:20 AM PST by RSmithOpt (Liberalism: Highway to Hell)
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To: trebb
Yep - if they make jail an actual punishment instead of a time-out, it might make a better deterrent.

I did 6 months in the county jail for drunk driving some years ago. There were prison inmates there for various reasons like court dates. Most of the prison inmates said they would rather be at the prison because it was easier time to do.
18 posted on 11/28/2007 5:52:31 AM PST by cripplecreek (Only one consistent conservative in this race and his name is Hunter.)
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To: Jack Hammer

“Three hots and a cot, complete health coverage, gym facilities, library privileges and vocational education - all funded by John Q. Taxpayer... of course it deters crime! Who in their right mind would want to be subjected to that sort of torment???”

I think you’re right.

Having visited several prisons in the NC department of corrections system, I can tell you that the prisoners have living conditions better than I did in the military.

I don’t think they fear it. It’s just a change of address for many.

Alabama had it right when they brought back chain gangs in the 80’s. (That wasn’t PC so it didn’t last long)


19 posted on 11/28/2007 5:52:31 AM PST by EEDUDE
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To: libstripper

Works for me...


20 posted on 11/28/2007 5:52:59 AM PST by the_devils_advocate_666
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