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Republican Presidential Candidate Debate #10 – St. Petersburg 11/28/07 - Official Discussion Thread

Posted on 11/28/2007 3:59:54 PM PST by CounterCounterCulture

Republican Presidential Candidate Debate #10 – St. Petersburg, Florida 11/28/07 - Official Discussion Thread

CNN will hold this debate, hosted by Anderson Cooper, with submitted questions in video form via YouTube.
8pm ET/5pm PT

Hosted by Anderson Cooper

Candidates participating:



TOPICS: Breaking News; Constitution/Conservatism; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections; US: Florida
KEYWORDS: andersoncooper; cnn; debate; debate2007; duncanhunter; elections2008; florida; fredthompson; giuliani; gopdebate; gopdebates; huckabee; hunter; johnmccain; mccain; mikehuckabee; mittromney; paul; presidentialdebate; republican; republicandebate; romney; ronpaul; rudygiuliani; stpetersburg; tancredo; thompson; tomtancredo; youtube
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To: dschapin; neverdem; Congressman Billybob; MHGinTN
It’s not just WHO he is (personally and politically - though it did seem to me that it was a loaded/deliberately extremist question) - but - the question was DELIBERATELY chosen by CNN to create the extremist (anti-Christian-zealot-fundementalist-non-thinker-Bible-thumper (literally!)) IMPRESSION that this type is who ALL republicans are.
2,601 posted on 11/28/2007 10:21:03 PM PST by Robert A Cook PE (I can only donate monthly, but Hillary's ABBCNNBCBS continue to lie every day!)
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To: Eric Blair 2084
The Mormons I have come to know over the years are very courteous and kind folks.
2,602 posted on 11/28/2007 10:23:23 PM PST by OKIEDOC (Kalifornia, a red state wannabe. I don't take Ex Lax I just read the New York Times.)
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To: SHEENA26

Well of coarse that’s a problem, but you can’t preach a solution like that. People aren’t just going to stay or get married because the president says so. A president or leader must confront reputable black leadership, and start local chapters that will promote family and community improvement.

Voluntary stuff...no gov funds are needed if it’s sold right. Probably the one thing I really liked about RFK.


2,603 posted on 11/28/2007 10:24:35 PM PST by Rick_Michael (The Anti-Federalists failed....so will the Anti-Frederalists)
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To: Rick_Michael

Saw the link earlier today, but dismissed it because it sounded a bit slanted, don’t ya think? Ya know how politician fight over bill votes. What to believe?
Im just going on what I’ve heard Hcukabee say and what I’ve read.
By the way I still shopping, but think Huckabee might just pull out a win in Iowa.
Examine your quotes and link. I think some words were put in Huckabees mouth.


2,604 posted on 11/28/2007 10:25:13 PM PST by topfile
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To: Rick_Michael

I agree 100%. I really don’t think any of the candidates are sure-fire losers against Hillary, and that includes Rudy. I know a bunch of people will stay home, but Rudy will pull a great deal of Democrats and Independents. So, we might as well vote for whatever candidate we like the best. I do not like Huckabee. I like Thompson. I think I will get a more reliable conservative, than say, Romney. Oh sure, Mitt has all the right positions now, but I think they may be subject to change after January, 2009.

Who do I think will win? Either Romney or Huckabee, that’s who I would bet on.


2,605 posted on 11/28/2007 10:27:04 PM PST by Big E
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To: dschapin

Thanks for your honesty, and having the character to revoke what you said. Evaluating eyes is probably not a good way to determine character. Lots of people - many of those with autism, for example - do not make proper eye contact but are nonetheless upstanding citizens.


2,606 posted on 11/28/2007 10:27:13 PM PST by Lexinom (Build the fence and call China to account. GoHunter08.com)
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To: SoConPubbie
What Huckabee immigration record was that? I’m not a supporter yet but certainly thinking about it.
2,607 posted on 11/28/2007 10:27:32 PM PST by topfile
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To: Eva

The DUmmies are underestimating Huckabee. He’s a very engaging speaker, has a great sense of humor, very witty and quick on his feet. He has a lot of charisma. More like a Reagan than a Dole by a long shot, in terms of appeal.


2,608 posted on 11/28/2007 10:28:42 PM PST by bdeaner ("...what they need to do is get Syria to get Hezbollah to stop doing this sh_t and it's over.")
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To: topfile

“Saw the link earlier today, but dismissed it because it sounded a bit slanted, don’t ya think? Ya know how politician fight over bill votes. What to believe?
Im just going on what I’ve heard Hcukabee say and what I’ve read.By the way I still shopping, but think Huckabee might just pull out a win in Iowa.Examine your quotes and link. I think some words were put in Huckabees mouth.”

It may have been slanted, but it’s disheartening if it’s remotely right....I really hope Huckabee wouldn’t say it in that way.

I would hope Huckabee would clarify his position in debate or some public avenue (not just his website). And not just border enforcement, but workplace enforcement, no sancturaries, no amnesty (including path to citizenship), etc...


2,609 posted on 11/28/2007 10:29:42 PM PST by Rick_Michael (The Anti-Federalists failed....so will the Anti-Frederalists)
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To: ansel12

I think Huffington was worth about 10X that amount.

Later on he admitted he was gay and wanted to change the republican party stance on that issue.

Even today you can see that the political driving force in that family was Arianna Huffington, not him.

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Why the smart money is on Duncan Hunter
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1926032/posts
Posted on 11/15/2007 3:43:17 AM PST by Kevmo


2,610 posted on 11/28/2007 10:34:22 PM PST by Kevmo (We should withdraw from Iraq — via Tehran. And Duncan Hunter is just the man to get that job done.)
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To: Kevmo

I remember that race, was living in Cali at the time. Most expensive Senate race in California history.


2,611 posted on 11/28/2007 10:38:19 PM PST by Lexinom (Build the fence and call China to account. GoHunter08.com)
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To: Kevmo

“I think Huffington was worth about 10X that amount.”

The 75 vs 50 was the figure in a story at the time.

Huffington would have been much more useful during those years than Feinstein, she gave us hell those next 6 years.

You kind of sound like you are glad that the democrat took that seat.


2,612 posted on 11/28/2007 10:39:18 PM PST by ansel12 (Proud father of a 10th Mountain veteran. Proud son of a WWII vet. Proud brother of vets, Airborne)
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To: Rick_Michael

I’ll be watching Huckabee too on immigration. It seems to me though he is believable. All we can do is hold him responsible for what HE says and does.


2,613 posted on 11/28/2007 10:41:33 PM PST by topfile
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To: fkabuckeyesrule
The question was what would Jesus do on the death penalty?

The perfect answer to this question would be that Jesus had first hand knowledge about the death penalty, and he chose for it to happen.

2,614 posted on 11/28/2007 10:43:22 PM PST by GOPyouth (Common Sense! Conservative Principles! Fred Thompson for President!)
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To: Big E

Good points!


2,615 posted on 11/28/2007 10:48:53 PM PST by WFTR (Liberty isn't for cowards)
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To: SHEENA26
I loved Mitt’s response regarding the young black boy on YouTube actually having a father who cared standing next to him. He was so right on with that one.

Yes, that question was a very good moment for him tonight.

2,616 posted on 11/28/2007 10:50:14 PM PST by WFTR (Liberty isn't for cowards)
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To: OKIEDOC

My Dad’s side of the family is largely Mormon, and I really don’t care about the candidates’ religions, so long as they aren’t radical islamists, militant atheists, or scientologists. Mitt’s LDS problem is not Latter Day Saints, but rather Lacking Decisive Stands. I don’t oppose him because of his religion, although some here seem to support him only because of it.

I don’t trust him at all. Even if he’s saying the right things on gays, guns, and abortion right now, his record has been all over the map, and he STILL supports the assault weapons ban.

I’m not buying it.


2,617 posted on 11/28/2007 10:54:45 PM PST by lesser_satan (READ MY LIPS: NO NEW RINOS | FRED THOMPSON - DUNCAN HUNTER '08)
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To: topfile
Here is one example from January 2005 (excerpt from Arizona Republic)'

"Gov. Mike Huckabee on Thursday heaped criticism upon immigration legislation in the Arkansas Legislature, describing it as "inflammatory . . . race-baiting and demagoguery." He also challenged the Christian values of its main sponsor. Huckabee said the bill, seeking to forbid public assistance and voting rights to undocumented immigrants, "inflames those who are racist and bigots and makes them think there's a real problem. But there's not." "
2,618 posted on 11/28/2007 10:55:30 PM PST by SoConPubbie
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To: Big E

“I really don’t think any of the candidates are sure-fire losers against Hillary, and that includes Rudy.”

Well...I’ll agree with Hillary not being a strong democrat candidate. Rudy is too liberal for me, and my feeling is he’ll disenfrancise many conservative voters...whom normally vote for republican congressional seats. That would be horrendous.

Anyone else...I’ll reserve some of my judgement and might muster up a vote.


“Who do I think will win? Either Romney or Huckabee, that’s who I would bet on.”

I’m hoping neither...but we’ll see. If Huckabee truely is gaining so much in Iowa and Florida,...well, then it’s his to lose.


2,619 posted on 11/28/2007 10:56:49 PM PST by Rick_Michael (The Anti-Federalists failed....so will the Anti-Frederalists)
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To: WFTR
Here's my $0.02 take on this debate. Some of the questions chosen were looney and irrelevant. And how can you have a serious presidential debate when the question of homosexual in the military outweighs healthcare. Wait, healthcare wasn't even mentioned at all!

Roody & Romney, I have a feeling that the rest of America saw 2 petty boys bickering back and forth more than statesmen of presidential caliber. That endorsement from Pat Robertson ain't gonna help Roody one iota now. His answer to abortion, to gun control drew some jeers and boos from the crowd. Romney was, well Romney...he's still flip flopping and shot himself in the foot several times. The petty exchanges between the two of them were just unbearable.

Fred - Fred was especially strong on immigration tonight and did well overall, but he failed to excite. I was expecting more from Fred. Fred had an opportunity to take Romney and Huckabee down when Anderson Cooper asked him about the ad that was ran showing Romney pro-abortion speech from several years back and Huckabee agreeing to tax hikes while he was gov. of Arkansas. I was rather surprised that Fred said nothing except "those were their words."

Huckabee - I think that the other candidates allowed Huckabee slide tonight without challenging him much. They took it way too easy on him. Yes, he had to answer the scholarship to illegal immigrants issue, but he answered it in a way that I think Christian/Social conservatives could forgive him. I believe at one point he even got an applause for his answer. I disagree with those who think that he'll be hurt by that issue. Basically, most folks will let it slide and agree that yes, you don't punish kids for the sins of the parents. Huckabee came across as compassionate and did made it clear that the scholarship was meritorious and not a handout. Damn, Fred and the others should have spanked him on taxes and his lack of fiscal responsibilities when they had a chance. For crying out loud, this debate is in Florida, they should have snapped at the chance to call him straight on the Nursing Home Bed Tax he signed to law as gov. of Arkansas. Overall though, I think Huckabee will come across to the public as genuine and caring, esp. with that Jesus comment (though he really is just another slick pass the donation plate and Bible totin' minister).

John McCain - McCain showed himself to be a heavy weight tonight. Smacked RuPaul in place with the "Let us win" Marine comment. McCain came across as a true statesman who's above the pettiness of politics. His answer to the amnesty question, however, did not seem genuine. One can tell my the quiver of his voice and the facial expression that he had been forced to toe the Republican line.

Duncan Hunter - My MAN! Unfortunately, he was once again place way at the far end and not allowed to play in the sand box with the others. He received far fewer questions than the rest of the group. He could've hit the ball out of the park with that question regarding the Chinese toys by stressing his stance on fair trade with China, restoring our industrial base, etc...but he wasn't allotted enough time and was cut off, so he ended up with the "Buy American" line/cliche'. His statement "I will never apologize for America" though drew a loud applause and was his best of the night. The answer was to the question of a Muslim woman who asked how America can restore our image in the Muslim world. His answer came straight from his CPAC speech "America is a Good Nation. He gave a great answer to the gun question and even gave the young man a fatherly lesson on gun safety as well. He didn't bite on the Norquist pledge like the other stooges. And he smacked the Hildabeast planted gay general back in place pretty good. And did it quite respectfully, too. It's clear and evident that Duncan Hunter was, once again, deliberately blacklisted and not given enough questions and airtime. Hunter was never given an opportunity to fully participate in this debate. Same with Tancredo. It's my firm belief that had Hunter been allot enough time like Roody and Mitt were given, he would win the GOP nomination easily.

RuPaul - This guy is nuts! 'nuff said

2,620 posted on 11/28/2007 10:59:03 PM PST by dit_xi (Duncan Hunter: No nose holding necessary come election day. Right on every issue, right every time)
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