Republican Presidential Candidate Debate #10 – St. Petersburg 11/28/07 - Official Discussion Thread

[Broker]

RUSH LIMBAUGH a natural to moderate next Republican Debate!! Let’s get these candidates jump-started!!

[Armedanddangerous]

there were a couple of talking head segments that didnt tell us a thing we didn’t already know.

It was mind numbingly dull

[Armedanddangerous]

He doesn’t even try and hide his bias..but of course he had his clinton knee pads on since the 2000 election I think..wasn’t it?

[maica]

As for Rudy, I just haven’t been informed of anything that he did on 911 that we wouldn’t expect any other mayor to do.

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I don’t support Rudy for president, but I will defend his executive ability and his great work for NYC.

Your question about “we wouldn’t expect any other mayor to do.” is, to be polite, faulty reasoning.

Look around at all the failed cities in America, that have been democrat-run forever. The reason they give for their failure is the mirror-image of your view of Republican-run NY. Dems who keep getting re-elected after pathetic administrations say “no one could improve this city.”

So they never take responsibility for failure, and you won’t give responsibility for success to Rudy’s executive ability.

[Just A Nobody]

Thank you so much for your response!!!
In the past 3 years I have read how "senators DO NOT win the WH" - "looks matter" - "morals matter" etc. ad nauseum. Now, all that has been thrown out the window and definitions of conservatism have been rewritten.

the nomination of the two major parties is about 99 percent preordained
Thank you for your honesty! I've known for 20 years my vote means nothing.

Hunter would be a great VEEP or in a high level cabinet post.
Congressman Hunter would never lower himself to be a VP to Rudy or Mitt.

Remember, a candidate does not have to win the popular vote to win the race.
Oh...I remember!!! I was an adult and ILL during the '90s.

maybe 2012 or 2016.
Depending on the outcome of the '08 election. If it goes the wrong way, it may be our last.

[exit82]

Actually I was referring to the the three US soldiers captured by Al Qaeda in Irag in June 2007.(6/4/07)

One body was found floating in the Euphrates, and the other two were found mutilated in the manner I mentioned.

There were two other soldiers murdered by AQ in June 2006 as well.

McCain pontificating about waterboarding in light of how US POWs have continually been mistreated in every conflict since we signed the Geneva Convention in 1947 really set me off.

[exit82]

Well, God bless you and I admire your passion.

I still maintain that special folks like you are few and far between and certainly did not raise 4.3 million dollars in a day when other more known and better candidates can’t do that.

It doesn’t pass the smell test.

[Just A Nobody]

Actually I was referring to the the three US soldiers captured by Al Qaeda in Irag in June 2007.(6/4/07)

My mistake...it happens when reading through a live thread. PFC's Menchaca and Tucker were the 2 from 2006.

[maica]

The lighting was probably CNN’s plan.

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Not probably, but definitely.
Even their backdrop was a democrat message. A few scattered red blocks on a variegated sea of blue.

Can anyone say: CNN’s version of next November’s red/blue map of Election night.

[traviskicks]

thanks, I appreciate it. This may illustrate more of what is going on:

http://ronpaulgraphs.com/chipin.html

http://www.ronpaulblimp.com/

[traviskicks]

Pretty good breakdown here:

http://www.lewrockwell.com/blog/lewrw/archives/017277.html

Thanks to James (”30-year-old RP supporter, voted for Bush twice”):

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Number of Times a Candidate Received First Crack at a Question
(Including the non-YouTube question asked of Rudy Guliani)

(RG) Rudy Giuliani (8)
(FT) Fred Thompson (7)
(MH) Mike Huckabee (4)
(MR) Mitt Romney (4)
(TT) Tom Tancredo (3)
(RP) Ron Paul (3)
(JM) John McCain (2)
(DH) Duncan Hunter (2)

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Number of Times a Candidate Had “The Floor”

(RG) Rudy Giuliani - 19
(MR) Mitt Romney - 19
(JM) John McCain - 12
(FT) Fred Thompson - 11
(MH) Mike Huckabee - 11
(RP) Ron Paul - 9
(TT) Tom Tancredo - 7
(DH) Duncan Hunter - 7

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Total Talk Time

(RG) Rudy Giuliani - 16:45
(MR) Mitt Romney - 13:39
(JM) John McCain - 11:39
(FT) Fred Thompson - 10:26
(MH) Mike Huckabee - 9:37
(RP) Ron Paul - 7:21
(DH) Duncan Hunter - 4:46
(TT) Tom Tancredo - 3:50

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Talk Time by Segment

SEGMENT #1
MR - 6:10
JM - 4:54
RG - 4:23
MH - 4:07
FT - 4:01
RP - 3:05
TT - 2:24
DH - 2:09

SEGMENT #2
RG - 5:00
MR - 2:54
MH - 2:35
FT - 2:00
RP - 1:19
DH - 1:13
TT - 0:24
JM - 0:12

SEGMENT #3
JM - 5:16
RG - 3:08
FT - 2:37
MR - 2:07
RP - 1:45
TT - 0:28
DH - 0:26
MH - 0:00

SEGMENT #4
RG - 4:14
MH - 2:55
MR - 2:28
FT - 1:48
JM - 1:17
RP - 1:12
DH - 0:58
TT - 0:34

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Complete Breakdown

Q1 - Immigration #1
RG - 1:30
MR - 1:01
RG - 0:40
MR - 0:54
RG - 0:05

Q2 - Immigration #2
FT - 2:05
RG - 0:37
JM - 1:59
TT - 0:30

Q3 - Immigration #3
TT - 1:04
DH - 1:11

Q4 - Immigration #4
MH - 1:58
MR - 0:45
MH - 0:41
MR - 0:36

Q5 - Council of Foreign Relations
RP - 1:37

Q6 - National Debt
JM - 1:19
MR - 0:44
RG - 0:46

Q7 - Top 3 Federal Programs to Reduce
FT - 1:29
RP - 0:43
MH - 0:45

Q8 - Fair Tax?
JM - 1:21
RP - 0:35

Q9 - Veto Tax Bill?
TT - 0:10
MH - 0:05
MR - 0:03
RG - 0:10
FT - 0:10
JM - 0:15
RP - 0:10
DH - 0:20

Q10 - Farm Subsidies
MR - 1:19
RG - 0:35

Special Question For RG Regarding Scandal broke by Politico
RG - 0:25

Q11 - Toys With Lead?
TT - 0:40
DH - 0:38

Response to Fred Thompson Attack Ad
FT - 0:17
MR - 0:48
MH - 0:38

COMMERCIAL BREAK

Q12 - Gun Control #1
DH - 0:50

Q13 - Gun Control #2
RG - 1:40
FT - 0:54
RG - 0:34

Q14 - Gun Control #3
FT - 0:08
JM - 0:12
DH - 0:23
MR - 0:05

Q15 - Black on Black Crime
MR - 1:17
RG - 0:52
MR - 0:28

Q16 - Abortion #1
RP - 1:19
FT - 0:58

Q17 - Abortion #2
RG - 0:52
MR - 0:30

Q18 - Death Penalty
MH - 1:31
TT - 0:24

Q19 - Do You Believe the Bible?
RG - 1:02
MR - 0:34
MH - 1:04

COMMERCIAL BREAK

Q20 - Iraq #1
RG - 1:33
JM - 1:24
DH - 0:26

Q21 - Waterboarding
MR - 1:15
JM - 0:58
MR - 0:52
JM - 1:01

Q22 - Iraq #2
FT - 1:15
RP - 0:58
JM - 0:57
RP - 0:47
TT - 0:28

Q23 - Giuliani Using 9/11?
RG - 1:35

Q24 - Power of VP
FT - 1:22
JM - 0:56

COMMERCIAL BREAK

Q25 - Gays in Military
DH - 0:58
MH - 0:25
MR - 0:38
JM - 0:42

Q26 - Log Cabin Republicans
MH - 0:50

Q27 - National Debt
FT - 0:58
MR - 0:35

Q28 - Space Exploration
MH - 0:54
TT - 0:34

Q29 - Why Don’t African Americans Vote Republican
RG - 1:30
MH - 0:46

Q30 - Star and Bars
MR - 0:53
FT - 0:50

Q31 - Infrastructure
RG - 1:18
RP - 0:26
JM - 0:35
RG - 0:30

Q32 - Ron Paul Run Independent?
RP - 0:46

Q33 - Why Did Giuliani Root For the Red Sox
RG - 0:56
MR - 0:22

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Misc

Number of times John McCain said “Let us win.” - 6
Number of times John McCain said “My friends...” - 4
Number of times Romney dropped the name Bill Cosby* - 1
Number of times Huckabee spoke in the third segment - 0

*I personally found this hilarious.

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Other thoughts:
- I wish I had counted the number of times Cooper had to call “time” on each candidate.
- Dr.Paul’s video was BY FAR the only video that was not contrived.
- What was up with Cooper not referring to Dr.Paul as “Dr.Paul”? Seemed disrespectful.

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Love the blog and the site in general - just found you - glad I did.

[traviskicks]

lol, that would be GREAT!

[khnyny]

CNN asked one of the “undecided Republican voters” who they would vote for. One of the DemocRATS claiming to be an “undecided Republican” said she didn’t really see anyone she liked and that she’d vote for John Edwards if he is the DemocRAT nominee. Can CNN get any more pathetic?

Thanks for the explanation. (I think, rolls eyes).

In answer to your question, "can CNN get any more pathetic" - possibly. How about the retired military plant (Kerr) who is part of the Clinton LGBT steering committee?

[Kevmo]

You kind of sound like you are glad that the democrat took that seat.
***No, I’m unhappy that Huffington took the congressional seat from a good republican, outspending him by the widest margin ever seen in a congressional race to that date. That is not what our founding fathers had in mind. And if you look at where Huffington is now, could you honestly claim that a republican would have had the senate seat? No. Just another guy with an R in front of his name, a RINO.

[penowa]

"Look for Charlie Crist on the GOP horizon along with Jeb Bush — maybe 2012 or 2016."

If you're correct in your prediction, I won't be objecting when President Rodham takes her cue from Chavez and demands to be named "President for Life." /s

[gondramB]

>>thanks, I appreciate it. This may illustrate more of what is going on:

http://ronpaulgraphs.com/chipin.html<<

That’s really smart - I can easily see people donating more a specific purpose with measurable results. Other candidates should copy this. So much donated money feels like its lost to “overhead.”

[Sun]

None of the candidates have a higher commitment to the life issue than Duncan Hunter, but unless I missed it, I didn’t hear any pro-life questions asked of him.

Hunter authored the personhood-at-conception bill, attended the pro-life march in D.C., has a 26 pro-life history during his term (NO FLIP FLOPS) etc..

[mowowie]

Nice job man!!

[cold666pack]

I wish someone would have waterboarded Mitt and forced him to answer the question!

[ansel12]

Yes I wanted Huffington to defeat Feinstein for that senate seat, after the election we watched as time after time Feinstein’s vote shot us down.

The losses mounted up as we saw time after time when she took the lead in blocking us in votes that a rhino would have given us.

I don’t know where your political head is at, supporting the democrat over the republican for that senate seat is unfathomable.

How different the Gingrich revolution would have been with that senate seat.