Posted on 11/30/2007 7:18:49 AM PST by xzins
See post #13.
The article specifically mentions 22 weeks as an apparent trigger in Kansas law. That’s why I mention 5.5 months and “viability.”
“A baby one day after conception is viable!”
Well, you certainly destroyed any chance of this thread being informative.
And you did it in the third post - congratulations! Post 4
And you have further reduced the thread to just another “STOP ALL ABORTION REGARDLESS” rant. Post 7
It isn’t just about abortion, you self-rightous -—.
A pregnant woman is assaulted, during which the baby dies. Does this constitute murder, and if so, at which point of the pregnancy does it become murder?
Viability has LEGAL ramifications, it’s not always about abortion (which I oppose, incidentally), so quit trying to make this thread all about YOUR opposition to all Post 17
A bit touchy aren’t we? The only one who wants to hijack the thread and make it all about what he wants is YOU.
Tiller is a criminal. But he pays politicians well. Even Morrison, his purchased Attorney General, had been forced to file charges against him; although I doubt they will be pursued with any vigor. The grand jury is the last chance for the rule of law here in Kansas.
So, if you have any points, please bring them forward and stop picking on the other posters. They provide far more info on this thread than you have.
My remark was in relation to post #2 just before my #3 post. A baby is viable one day after conception or 5.5 month mark.
BTAIM, vilability means that the child may be capable of living outside the womb, of being born and surviving. If we could get law that would protect and child once he/she were capable of living outside the womb, than the later-term abortion could be halted. The advantage is that some day an artificial womb is going to be invented and the time of viability progressively lowered.
Is it better for mom to carry a doomed baby for nine months?
I think it is hubris on your part and other purists to condemn a mom to the mental anguish and physical risk of a full term pregnancy that will inexorably end with the baby's death.
Very few things in life are black and white. Even abortion.
My #2 was to a friend about a comment he’d made recently regarding the 14th amendment.
Well, I don't think so. But it's beyond hubris for you to decree to that mother that she needn't "inconvenience" herself because you think it's it's OK for her to take the life of the child in her womb. By what authority do you pronounce when life is to begin and end, and for whose benefit and convenience do you do so?
life and death are about as black and white as things get.
You're the savant who is compelling a mom to carry a doomed baby the full nine months, in order to maintain philosophical and moral purity. I hope no member of your family ever has to deal with such a tragedy. Such purist abstractions might adjust to a more complex reality in a hurry.
BTW anencephaly is not an abstraction. There are approximately 2000 to 4000 cases a year in the US alone.
That is a tough one. There are only a few times I would think abortion could be okay, and I am not sure if that is one of them.
Maybe. It would be very difficult to carry a baby to term only to know they will die. If the kid knew I knew he would die as well, I doubt they would be very happy. I think abortion could be the right choice in that case.
But, most of the time, it is not.
at 4.3 weeks per month it’s actually 5.1 But the point stands.
The article is good, but it does not mention the convuluted
path it took to get to this point. The Local politics has been very testy the past 2 or 3 years concerning this.
Morrison was Johnson Co. DA and Klein was State AG until he
(Klein) was defeated for AG re-election. They switched jobs. Tiller/KCStar/MSMedia all teamed up to defeat Klein
when he started the investigations (as Kansas AG). Morrison
switched parties and ran/won AG post.
Local TV station this week did undercover report on Klein
to further discredit him.... there is no let up on him.
Morrison is getting too much credit in the article.
Has all been a lesson
in politics to those paying attention. It would be informative to all if there was a chronological order to show how we got to this point.
I’m no fan of abortion and consider myself prolife. But in rare cases I’m not sure it’s abortion when in essence only death is being prolonged.
I’m not sure how you figure that. However, a baby one day after conception IS a unique individual entitled to protection under the law - just as its mother was, and her mother, etc.
I used to think in that manner too. What I've found as I've gotten older is: usually if something appears gray, you need to zoom in more...
I've had the opposite experience. The older I get, the more I perceive shades of gray. And it's not just my hair.
The selfsame foundation for scientific truth forms the bedrock of all truth - in ethics as well.
This is just my humble opinion, but would explain how we differ.
Kansas pro-lifers have been handed a court victory today in a case involving a late-term abortion doctor.
A grand jury has being asked to investigate Doctor George Tiller over his alleged
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George Tiller the baby Killer?
*bangs head on wall*
Damn
You
O
Reilly
Great post.
I would add that a fetus is also genetically unique from either parent. It’s not merely some extension of the mother’s body. You sometimes hear that arguement from the baalists.
The time is coming rapidly when this will be undeniably true. Check the research on artificial wombs.
Nope, Morrison would have let this go on except for a grass roots petition drive that forced a grand jury.
The case in this article is about Tiller trying to get the grand jury dismissed - and he failed.
Now, Morrison HAS to take it up.
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