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Former spy chief urges oil cutback [R. James Woolsey]
Miami Herald ^ | Sunday, December 2, 2007 | Jane Bussey

Posted on 12/02/2007 10:44:21 PM PST by SunkenCiv

"We should not just try to import less oil," the former CIA director under former President Clinton told a Miami audience Sunday. "We should destroy oil as a strategic commodity" that allows oil exporting nations to hold monopoly power... Woolsey's wide-ranging speech went from describing how Americans' dollars at the gas pumps made their way to fundamentalist Islamic institutions to illustrating advances in solar energy technology that make it more efficient and affordable... Among his suggestions was California's decision to decouple energy company profits from sales two decades ago, keeping the state's electricity consumption flat while the rest of the states have experienced a 60 percent increase. He also cited Wal-Mart for reducing electricity consumption by 20 percent to 25 percent at its stores, a giant savings considering that 70 percent of the world's electricity is used by buildings other than homes... Woolsey also made a pitch for new battery-powered, flex-fuel cars that could be recharged during off-peak periods of electricity costs... On the malignant side, oil and coal consumption are contributing to global warming, which could accelerate at any point. The U.S. electricity grid and world oil supplies also face threats from terrorists and not just glitches that can now cause massive power outages in the interconnected grid.

(Excerpt) Read more at miamiherald.com ...


TOPICS: Business/Economy; Israel; Russia; War on Terror
KEYWORDS: energy; energypolicy; oil; opec; rjameswoolsey; woolsey; wot
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To: Nathan Zachary
Abiotic (rock oil) is continuously being formed deep in the earth.

ROFLMAO! But, if you are interested, I do have a bridge in Brooklyn that I could sell to you for a great price.

41 posted on 12/03/2007 12:59:02 AM PST by trumandogz (Hunter Thompson 2008)
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To: trumandogz
1. ANWR

2. 40 years.

Long enough to start synthesizing (Fischer-Troupe)
our own fuel using nuclear power.

Are you aware that the Air Force is already bringing large
plants on line to produce JP8-100 jet fuel?

42 posted on 12/03/2007 1:03:38 AM PST by DaveTesla (You can fool some of the people some of the time......)
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To: DaveTesla
"Why else do you think they declared a frozen wasteland where it is dark six months of the year a nature preserve. Since when is ice considered nature?

Even the caribou only visit the place for a few days a year...

It's all a UN world governance (by unelected liberal elitists) scheme. Most of Canada should be declared a "nature preserve" if we were to apply that logic equally everywhere. The enviro wacko's (like Jane Goodall who failed to get knocked up by a monkey after trying for 35 years) at the UN want to keep all the stinky bad humans huddled into little mud huts and away from all the animals and pretty flowers.

43 posted on 12/03/2007 1:03:44 AM PST by Nathan Zachary
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To: Nathan Zachary
let me know where you can buy solar panels with a 25 year warranty. I'll go buy some to replace my dead ones.

American Solar Electric

SunPower Solar Systems SunPower Solar Panels come with a 25 year warranty on the power production of their panels. Because there are no moving parts, the only wear-and-tear these systems see if from the sun beating on them year after year. This is factored into the 25-year warranty, which states that by the end of the twelfth year, the panels should still be producing at 90% of their initial capacity, and that by the end of the 25th year, they should still be producing at 80% of their rated power.

Sharp Solar Systems: Sharp Solar Panels come with a 25 year warranty on the power production of their panels. Because there are no moving parts, the only wear-and-tear these systems see if from the sun beating on them year after year. This is factored into the 25-year warranty, which states that by the end of the twelfth year, the panels should still be producing at 90% of their initial capacity, and that by the end of the 25th year, they should still be producing at 80% of their rated power.

Regards

44 posted on 12/03/2007 1:05:14 AM PST by ARE SOLE (Agents Ramos and Campean are in prison at this very moment.. (A "Concerned Citizen".)
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To: trumandogz
What’s so funny?

Canada is already the biggest importer of oil into the U.S.

You don't think Putin laid claim to the north pole for nothing do you?

45 posted on 12/03/2007 1:06:58 AM PST by DaveTesla (You can fool some of the people some of the time......)
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To: DaveTesla

And how would one go about getting ANWR to produce 3.6 million barrels per day?


46 posted on 12/03/2007 1:07:13 AM PST by trumandogz (Hunter Thompson 2008)
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To: trumandogz
"ROFLMAO! But, if you are interested, I do have a bridge in Brooklyn that I could sell to you for a great price."

There are enough drill sites that have proved it many times over.

But your perfectly welcome to think dinosaurs (500 billion per saudi oil field) fell into a 10 mile deep holes that then closed up and turned into oil, even though petroleum has no biological markers whatsoever. I guess they all just magically vanished from some mysterious process. And why not, anything can happen if you give it a billions of years. And you would be in the majority who believe that baseless 200 year old theory. Or you can enlighten yourself and discover the truth.

47 posted on 12/03/2007 1:10:40 AM PST by Nathan Zachary
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To: ARE SOLE
"only wear-and-tear these systems see if from the sun beating on them year after year<"/p>

U.V. kills them in five to seven years.

I know. I have worked withe since the days of Arco Solar
in Camirillo Ca.

30 years and barely any progress.

48 posted on 12/03/2007 1:11:36 AM PST by DaveTesla (You can fool some of the people some of the time......)
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To: DaveTesla

Hey Zac. what up? That’s not what you said in post 37 homeboy.

Regards


49 posted on 12/03/2007 1:15:13 AM PST by ARE SOLE (Agents Ramos and Campean are in prison at this very moment.. (A "Concerned Citizen".)
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To: ARE SOLE

Excuse me, Dave Tesla. I got misdirected amigo.

Regards


50 posted on 12/03/2007 1:16:40 AM PST by ARE SOLE (Agents Ramos and Campean are in prison at this very moment.. (A "Concerned Citizen".)
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To: trumandogz

Drill 250 wells.

Pronto


51 posted on 12/03/2007 1:17:33 AM PST by DaveTesla (You can fool some of the people some of the time......)
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To: trumandogz
Too difficult?
Better than suffering under Global Communism.
52 posted on 12/03/2007 1:19:42 AM PST by DaveTesla (You can fool some of the people some of the time......)
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To: trumandogz
With oil prices this high it would be economical.
53 posted on 12/03/2007 1:21:59 AM PST by DaveTesla (You can fool some of the people some of the time......)
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To: Nathan Zachary
So it would appear that you know...

Quite frankly, its a pleasure to make your acquiantence "again", Nathan Zachary (even if we do disagree on certain subjects and you DO not have the remotest clue 'bout other things).

54 posted on 12/03/2007 1:26:44 AM PST by raygun ("It is wrong always, everywhere, and for anyone to believe anything upon insufficient evidence")
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To: ARE SOLE
The panels degrade and they become useless after 5 years on average. I should know, I go though enough of them. besides, it isn't the silocone part that breaks, its all the little connections that corrode and short out. Or the seal starts leaking and they get moisture in them.

At any rate, try collecting that warranty. Read the fine print.

But don't come here and try tell an experienced off the grid self sufficient user of windmills and solar panels how 'great' solar panels are or how long they last when all you have ever done is read "fabulous" claims from an internet site add.

Even if solar panels lasted 25 years, the cost of them and the cost of all the battery banks, windmills, back up generators, inverters, charge controllers, towers and all the maintenance that goes along with it makes getting your electricity this way far, far more expensive that what you get sitting on your butt plugged into "the grid". It is so expensive that there is no hope of ever recouping my investment from money saved paying the electric company.

Plus, because I live way out in the sticks, I can have a couple of windmills buzzing away and a couple banks of panels. You can't do this in urban areas. There are by-laws preventing you from doing so in most places, and there is no way smaller windmills will do you any good, except make a nice lawn ornament that can maybe light up a tiny lightbulb at night .

55 posted on 12/03/2007 1:28:03 AM PST by Nathan Zachary
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To: DaveTesla

I’ve been swearing at my solar array for ten years now. God I hate those things. They are always shutting down for one reason or another.


56 posted on 12/03/2007 1:34:24 AM PST by Nathan Zachary
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To: Nathan Zachary

I just use them on my sailboat. Mine are close to ten years old. I use a Link 20 monitoring system. I can see the rate they charge my batteries and in optimal light conditions they still produce more than 90% of what they did when new in optimal light conditions .

Regards


57 posted on 12/03/2007 1:36:25 AM PST by ARE SOLE (Agents Ramos and Campean are in prison at this very moment.. (A "Concerned Citizen".)
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To: ARE SOLE
And when your sailboat is not in use?

There is no mystery here.
I watched a 35kw bank installed 10 years ago.
I attached the Internet based telemetry system to them.
Never put out more than 5kw on the brightest summer day.

If they worked they would be in wide - spread use.

58 posted on 12/03/2007 1:42:23 AM PST by DaveTesla (You can fool some of the people some of the time......)
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To: raygun

My company does a lot of engineering for deep drilling systems design.


59 posted on 12/03/2007 1:46:35 AM PST by Nathan Zachary
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To: Nathan Zachary
You have nailed it! There is lots of Disney type Fantasy Land going on with these environ-weenies.
60 posted on 12/03/2007 1:46:57 AM PST by jonrick46
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