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'Monster' Arctic reptile remains found
AP on Yahoo ^ | 12/4/07 | AP

Posted on 12/04/2007 12:49:03 PM PST by NormsRevenge

OSLO, Norway - Remains of a bus-sized prehistoric "monster" reptile found on a remote Arctic island may be a new species never before recorded by science, researchers said Tuesday.

Initial excavation of a site on the Svalbard islands in August yielded the remains, teeth, skull fragments and vertebrae of a reptile estimated to measure nearly 40 feet long, said Joern Harald Hurum of the University of Oslo.

"It seems the monster is a new species," he told The Associated Press.

The reptile appears be the same species as another sea predator whose remains were found nearby on Svalbard last year. His team described those 150-million-year-old remains as belonging to a short-necked plesiosaur measuring more than 30 feet — "as long as a bus ... with teeth larger than cucumbers."

The short-necked plesiosaur was a voracious reptile often compared to the Tyrannosaurus rex of the oceans.

Mark Evans, a plesiosaur expert at the Leicester City Museums in Britain, said he not know enough about the Norwegian find to comment on it specifically. But he said new types of the sea reptiles are being found regularly.

"We are regularly seeing new species of plesiosaurs popping up — in a way because, in the past 10 or 15 years, there has been what we call a renaissance in plesiosaur research," Evans said by telephone.

Hurum said the team had only managed to excavate a 3-meter (yard) area of the find. The Norwegian-led team plans to present more detailed findings early next year, and return to Svalbard, 300 miles north of Norway's mainland, to excavate further next year.


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KEYWORDS: arctic; catastrophism; godsgravesglyphs; monster; plesiosaur; remains; reptile
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1 posted on 12/04/2007 12:49:04 PM PST by NormsRevenge
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To: NormsRevenge

Reptile = cold blooded, ie, can’t live in a cold climate.

Global warming or cooling?


2 posted on 12/04/2007 12:50:00 PM PST by MrB (You can't reason people out of a position that they didn't use reason to get into in the first place)
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To: NormsRevenge
Hmmmm - and since reptiles can only live where it is warm (they are cold blooded) - it means there was global warming (and cooling) millions of years ago!!!!
3 posted on 12/04/2007 12:50:09 PM PST by 2banana (My common ground with terrorists - they want to die for islam and we want to kill them)
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http://www.nhm.uio.no/pliosaurus/english/index.html

NATURHISTORISK MUSEUM

4 posted on 12/04/2007 12:50:28 PM PST by NormsRevenge (Semper Fi ... Godspeed ... ICE’s toll-free tip hotline —1-866-DHS-2-ICE ... 9/11 .. Never FoRGeT)
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To: NormsRevenge

Leviathan, is that you?


5 posted on 12/04/2007 12:50:33 PM PST by madison10
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To: NormsRevenge

It’s an old species that died out. It’s what happens in nature. It wasn’t hit by an SUV!!


6 posted on 12/04/2007 12:50:44 PM PST by Sacajaweau ("The Cracker" will be renamed "The Crapper")
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To: NormsRevenge

Start the Teddy and Helen Thomas jokes.


7 posted on 12/04/2007 12:50:48 PM PST by garyhope (It's World War IV, right here, right now, courtesy of Islam.)
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more than a year ago..

Remains of Ancient Reptile Are Found [size of a bus] ^
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1714245/posts
Posted by null and void
On News/Activism ^ 10/05/2006 8:36:14 AM PDT · 20 replies · 867+ views

MyWay via Drudge ^ | Oct 5, 7:59 AM (ET | Not attributed
OSLO, Norway (AP) - Researchers on Thursday announced the discovery of the remains of a short-necked plesiosaur, a prehistoric marine reptile the size of a bus, that they believe is the first complete skeleton ever found. The 150 million year old remains of the 33-foot ocean going predator were found in August on the remote Svalbard Islands of the Arctic, the University of Oslo announced. Fragments of plesiosaur have been found elsewhere, including in England, Russia, and Argentina, but researcher Joern Harald Hurum said the partially fossilized Svalbard find appeared to be the first whole example. “We are quite sure...

‘Monster’ fossil find in Arctic (First complete pliosaur and ichthyosaur skeletons ever found) ^
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1714208/posts
Posted by DaveLoneRanger
On News/Activism ^ 10/05/2006 8:03:56 AM PDT · 31 replies · 1,268+ views

BBC ^ | October 5, 2006 | Paul Rincon
Norwegian scientists have discovered a “treasure trove” of fossils belonging to giant sea reptiles that roamed the seas at the time of the dinosaurs. The 150 million-year-old fossils were uncovered on the Arctic island chain of Svalbard - about halfway between the Norwegian mainland and the North Pole. The finds belong to two groups of extinct marine reptiles - the plesiosaurs and the ichthyosaurs. One skeleton has been nicknamed The Monster because of its enormous size. These animals were the top predators living in what was then a relatively cool, deep sea. Palaeontologists from the University of Oslo’s Natural History...


8 posted on 12/04/2007 12:51:52 PM PST by NormsRevenge (Semper Fi ... Godspeed ... ICE’s toll-free tip hotline —1-866-DHS-2-ICE ... 9/11 .. Never FoRGeT)
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To: NormsRevenge

remains found?

Was it lost? Just the way I read the head line.


9 posted on 12/04/2007 12:52:28 PM PST by PeterPrinciple ( Seeking the truth here folks.)
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To: NormsRevenge

10 posted on 12/04/2007 12:54:39 PM PST by Puppage (You may disagree with what I have to say, but I shall defend to your death my right to say it)
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To: NormsRevenge

“It seems the monster is a new species,” he told The Associated Press.

The reptile appears be the same species as another sea predator


Sounds like the journalist may be confused.


11 posted on 12/04/2007 12:54:57 PM PST by thackney (life is fragile, handle with prayer)
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To: NormsRevenge
(1) Remains of a bus-sized prehistoric "monster" reptile found on a remote Arctic island may be a new species never before recorded by science

(2) The reptile appears be the same species as another sea predator whose remains were found nearby on Svalbard last year.

The AP employs the finest writers on earth.

12 posted on 12/04/2007 12:55:17 PM PST by Fresh Wind (Scrape the bottom, vote for Rodham!)
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To: MrB
Plate Tectonics and a shift in the Earth's axis are to blame.

Evidence abounds that these animals lit all their Menorah candles and ate too much starchy beans which added to their flatulence!!!

AKA the flora fossils show a tropical setting during the time these animals roamed the wild. So the shift of the axis and plate techtonics are considerd the main factor in the remains being where they wwere found!!!

13 posted on 12/04/2007 12:56:10 PM PST by Young Werther (Julius Caesar (Quae Cum Ita Sunt. Since these things are so.))
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To: NormsRevenge

Forensic scientists speculate that Godzilla woke one morning, hit the snooze, and just didn’t get up again. The Japanese flag will be at half mast for the remainder of December.


14 posted on 12/04/2007 12:57:17 PM PST by domenad (In all things, in all ways, at all times, let honor guide me.)
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To: Sacajaweau

Yeah, Darwin’s “tree of life” turned upside down -

Cambrian explosion of species, followed by extinction of most of them.


15 posted on 12/04/2007 12:58:14 PM PST by MrB (You can't reason people out of a position that they didn't use reason to get into in the first place)
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To: PeterPrinciple

Yeah, I read “remains found” as in

they found it, so, it’s “found”, and they didn’t lose it again, so, it “remains found”.


16 posted on 12/04/2007 12:59:09 PM PST by MrB (You can't reason people out of a position that they didn't use reason to get into in the first place)
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To: thackney

Best I can figure they weren’t able to identify the first specimen completely and now find it matches the second specimen.


17 posted on 12/04/2007 12:59:58 PM PST by ahayes ("Impenetrability! That's what I say!")
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To: MrB
they found it, so, it’s “found”, and they didn’t lose it again, so, it “remains found”.

thats the way i read it, too.

18 posted on 12/04/2007 1:01:45 PM PST by new cruelty
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To: 2banana
"Hmmmm - and since reptiles can only live where it is warm (they are cold blooded) - it means there was global warming (and cooling) millions of years ago!!!!

Ever hear of the H.A.B. theory?

In short, since the poles are always sub-freezing and therefore precipitation never melts, it accumulates.

Since the Earth rotates on an axis that is not perpendicular to the Sun, every 15,000 or so years the Earth "wobbles" onto it's side (like top).

So almost instantiously, the poles are moved to the equator and the equator becomes the poles.

19 posted on 12/04/2007 1:03:46 PM PST by Positive (Nothing is sadder than to see a beautiful theory murdered by a gang of brutal facts.)
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To: domenad
Rumors concerning my death are greatly exaggerated. Gotta sleep in once in a while, trashing cities can be sooooo tiring.


20 posted on 12/04/2007 1:04:21 PM PST by Godzilla (The early bird may get the worm, but the second mouse gets the cheese.)
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To: 2banana

“Hmmmm - and since reptiles can only live where it is warm (they are cold blooded) - it means there was global warming (and cooling) millions of years ago!!!!”

Well, considering that oxygen we breathe is largely a waste product of plants and some small organisms, yes, our atmosphere has changed dramatically over the great arc of time. Yet somehow life has endured. The problem with the worst of the global-warming fear-mongering is that it pretends humans, and other animals, are incapable of surviving if the environment changes. Life as we know it wouldn’t even EXIST if we didn’t have that ability. Is it possible that our planet is changing for the worse? Perhaps... I’m not obnoxious enough to pretend I know the answer. But the idea, perpetrated by the likes of Al Gore, that it means the end of the world is dishonest at best.


21 posted on 12/04/2007 1:05:14 PM PST by COgamer
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To: PeterPrinciple

Me too; I thought at first that they had mislaid it.


22 posted on 12/04/2007 1:06:23 PM PST by Old Professer (The critic writes with rapier pen, dips it twice, and writes again.)
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To: NormsRevenge

23 posted on 12/04/2007 1:07:45 PM PST by frithguild (Then we could even disgorge the Fed of its powers and establish a free-market monetary system.)
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To: MrB

T. Rex was warm blooded.


24 posted on 12/04/2007 1:09:27 PM PST by frithguild (Then we could even disgorge the Fed of its powers and establish a free-market monetary system.)
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To: frithguild

“With God as my witness, I thought plesiosaurs could fly.”


25 posted on 12/04/2007 1:10:21 PM PST by ClearCase_guy (The broken wall, the burning roof and tower. And Agamemnon dead.)
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To: garyhope
Start the Teddy and Helen Thomas jokes.
The jokes were already done on todays previous thread on this topic.

26 posted on 12/04/2007 1:11:00 PM PST by ASA Vet
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To: PeterPrinciple
remains found? Was it lost? Just the way I read the head line.

LOL. Me too. I read a lot of headlines that way and then have to giggle when I finally see it correctly.

27 posted on 12/04/2007 1:12:51 PM PST by WVNan
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To: domenad
The Japanese flag will be at half mast

Only on Japanese ships.

28 posted on 12/04/2007 1:13:24 PM PST by ASA Vet
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To: Young Werther

The Earth was clobbered by a comet that knocked it off the axis and rolled it some degrees. Thus, hot places became cold and cold became warm before the gravitational pulls were able to keep it in orbit.

Just like hitting a ball and defying gravity for a short time.


29 posted on 12/04/2007 1:15:12 PM PST by Battle Axe (Repent for the coming of the Lord is nigh!)
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To: Positive

H.A.B. theory - Have Another Beer? I belive I will!


30 posted on 12/04/2007 1:15:30 PM PST by Red_Devil 232 (VietVet - USMC All Ready On The Right? All Ready On The Left? All Ready On The Firing Line!)
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To: NormsRevenge

“with teeth larger than cucumbers.”

Like Janet Reno’s!


31 posted on 12/04/2007 1:19:48 PM PST by Dr. Bogus Pachysandra ("Don't touch that thing")
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To: ASA Vet

Prehistoric monster discovered 150 million years later
after she purchased it from the SPCA
32 posted on 12/04/2007 1:29:59 PM PST by BerryDingle (Illegitimi Non Carborundum (Don't let the bastards wear you down))
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To: MrB

There is some evidence that loggerhead turtles can thermoregulate. Large tuna also.


33 posted on 12/04/2007 1:30:05 PM PST by Hiddigeigei (Mit der Dummheit kämpfen Götter selbst vergebens.)
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To: BerryDingle
Photo bucket stuff isn't viewable on my work computer. I get a pretty


34 posted on 12/04/2007 1:34:29 PM PST by ASA Vet
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To: Godzilla

Heheheh! I’ll sound the horn.


35 posted on 12/04/2007 1:35:12 PM PST by domenad (In all things, in all ways, at all times, let honor guide me.)
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To: Godzilla

36 posted on 12/04/2007 1:36:20 PM PST by Larebil (My name is liberal backwards, since they backwards thinking)
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To: MrB

When I first arrived in Alaska, while in the USAF, I was warned to stay away from snow snakes. When I asked why they were so dangerous I was told that they would “crawl up your ass and freeze you to death”. Ever since that day I have stopped heeding any warnings in life.


37 posted on 12/04/2007 1:39:43 PM PST by 353FMG (Hillary - Al Qaeda's Dream Woman)
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To: pcottraux

Ping!


38 posted on 12/04/2007 1:47:28 PM PST by IllumiNaughtyByNature (Tagline: optional, printed after your name on post)
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To: 353FMG

“When I first arrived in Alaska, while in the USAF, I was warned to stay away from snow snakes. When I asked why they were so dangerous I was told that they would “crawl up your ass and freeze you to death”. Ever since that day I have stopped heeding any warnings in life.”

My first full day in Alaska (June 4th), I walked outside with a T-shirt & blue jeans, few minutes later it started snowing out.


39 posted on 12/04/2007 1:52:41 PM PST by BerryDingle (Illegitimi Non Carborundum (Don't let the bastards wear you down))
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To: Puppage

HEY!!! How about a warning before posting pictures like this????


40 posted on 12/04/2007 1:53:55 PM PST by hophead ("Enjoy Every Sandwich" WZ)
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To: ASA Vet

Aahh, LOL!


41 posted on 12/04/2007 1:55:51 PM PST by BerryDingle (Illegitimi Non Carborundum (Don't let the bastards wear you down))
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To: hophead
HEY!!! How about a warning before posting pictures like this????

I should be ashamed of myself.

42 posted on 12/04/2007 2:02:21 PM PST by Puppage (You may disagree with what I have to say, but I shall defend to your death my right to say it)
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To: ClearCase_guy

“With God as my witness, I thought plesiosaurs could fly.”

My wife and I were laughing about that old WKRP episode just a couple of weeks ago.


43 posted on 12/04/2007 2:03:11 PM PST by NewMexLurker
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To: NormsRevenge

Mapmakers knew about these monsters hundreds of years ago. They even put warnings on their maps “Here there be monsters” in certain areas.


44 posted on 12/04/2007 2:08:37 PM PST by wildbill
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To: Larebil
Hehe, image added to collection.


45 posted on 12/04/2007 2:14:38 PM PST by Godzilla (The early bird may get the worm, but the second mouse gets the cheese.)
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To: 353FMG
Yeah well Hillary didn’t listen either and look what happened to her.
46 posted on 12/04/2007 2:17:07 PM PST by fish hawk (The religion of Darwinism = Monkey Intellect)
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To: NormsRevenge
Remains of a bus-sized prehistoric "monster" reptile found...

They've unearthed a link to hillary clinton.

47 posted on 12/04/2007 2:18:53 PM PST by Mr Apple ( "VIDEO CHINAGATE" http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-2970981220206109356)
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To: K4Harty; Angelas; presidio9; Idisarthur; Hegemony Cricket; A knight without armor; new cruelty; ...


48 posted on 12/04/2007 2:19:17 PM PST by pcottraux (Fred Thompson pronounces it P. Coe-Troe...in 2008.)
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To: pcottraux

that looks like a poster for a movie preview i saw before watching transformers. neat.


49 posted on 12/04/2007 2:21:14 PM PST by new cruelty
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To: pcottraux
Have you seen and of the Monster Quest episodes? What are your thoughts?
50 posted on 12/04/2007 2:27:29 PM PST by IllumiNaughtyByNature (Tagline: optional, printed after your name on post)
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