Do you trust the NIH?
Do you trust the Iranians?
Do you trust the CIA?
Do you trust the Senate Democrats?
Do you trust Israeli intelligence?
Do you trust our neocons?
Do you trust the atomic energy commission?
Do you trust none of the above?
Posted on 12/06/2007 5:01:39 AM PST by PlainOleAmerican
What the 2007 NIE actually says - "We judge with moderate confidence that the earliest possible date Iran would be technically capable of producing enough HEU for a weapon is late 2009,"
News agencies around the globe are gushing over the latest U.S. National Intelligence Estimate (NIE) issued on Iran and its nuclear proliferation program. TIME reports Europe Relieved by Iran Finding, the Chicago Tribune say’s Twice now, Bush has confronted faulty intelligence and the Telegraph UK announces Iran president hails nuclear report as ‘victory’.
Unfortunately, it appears that none of these reporters bothered to actually read the NIE before rushing to their politically motivated headlines...
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(Excerpt) Read more at newsbyus.com ...
As the column establishes, with quotes from and links to the actual NIE report, what the press and Democrats are telling voters is NOT true!
Its still there.
Key point: The unreported balance of that opening statement says, “we also assess with moderate-to-high confidence that Tehran at a minimum is keeping open the option to develop nuclear weapons.”
Key Points
1) The unreported balance of that opening statement says, “we also assess with moderate-to-high confidence that Tehran at a minimum is keeping open the option to develop nuclear weapons.”
2) “We assess centrifuge enrichment is how Iran probably could first produce enough fissile material for a weapon, if it decides to do so. Iran resumed its declared centrifuge enrichment activities in January 2006, despite the continued halt in the nuclear weapons program. Iran made significant progress in 2007 installing centrifuges at Natanz, but we judge with moderate confidence it still faces significant technical problems operating them.
We judge with moderate confidence that the earliest possible date Iran would be technically capable of producing enough HEU for a weapon is late 2009, but that this is very unlikely.”
MSM is feeding the people balderdash on this NIE
Yet another truth brought to us by the new media! Levin explained this rat scumbag fingar last night. We will not hear this truth from the ratmedia, that’s for sure.
only SUSPENDED it...
Maybe. Maybe not. If you look at the authors of the NIE, you will see the usual suspects involved in creating liberal democrat political spin. I’m surprised Joe Wilson’s name isn’t on it.
Most important point...
“In the 2005 NIE, our intelligence community estimated that Iran could not develop nuclear weapons grade materials before, and I quote, “early-to-mid next decade” – which means around 2015, give or take a decade or two, unless they just buy some from one of their friends, in which case they can have it delivered via FedEx in a couple days.
In this new 2007 NIE report; that date has now been moved UP to 2009!”
Had the press used the headline “the earliest possible date Iran would be technically capable of producing enough HEU for a weapon is late 2009” instead of cherry picking only half of the opening statement “We judge with high confidence that in fall 2003, Tehran halted its nuclear weapons program;” world reaction would be VERY different!
Democrats and their press count on voter laziness and ignorance... Nobody will read the actual report...
The press and Democrat politicians should indeed be lynched for their mass effort to mislead!!!
“We continue to assess with low confidence that Iran probably has imported at least some weapons-usable fissile material, but still judge with moderate-to-high confidence it has not obtained enough for a nuclear weapon. We cannot rule out that Iran has acquired from abroad—or will acquire in the future—a nuclear weapon or enough fissile material for a weapon.”
I posted in another thread yesterday that the smartest thing for the Iranians to do would be to get Eastern bloc U-235 so it could make terrorist nukes that don’t trace back to Iran. There’s no forensic evidence after a nuclear explosion except the isotope ratios left behind.
Designing a ‘gun’ type U-235 weapon was possible with 1940s technology. Think of all the additional information and tools available today. Perhaps Iran is simply ready now to build weapons once it has enough material. No further ‘development’ program necessary.
If Iran is really committed to the return of the Twelfth Imam, it is a danger indeed.
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I tell the new NIE report believers: it’s not only the nukes, but also Iraq and the rest of the ME, stupid!
I posted this on a similar thread yesterday:
“What many people don’t know, including Republicans, not ONLY it’s the Iranian nukes, but also the ME at large, especially Iraq. As long as Iran is strong, we can’t leave Iraq even with the whole Iraqi population is sunbathing, partying and loving each other!
The moment we totally leave a strong, nuke-less Iran will swallow Iraq whole through al Sadr who surely is going to assassinate Ayatollah al Sastani and slaughter the Sunnis.
As I posted many times, any US President will have to send 1/2 a million troops that we don’t have to remove the Shiite militia and the Iranian Republican Guards from the Jordanian, Kuwaiti and Saudi borders.
We should listen to Ahmadi-Nijad pronouncement of his intention to fill the vacuum after we leave.
I don’t know what’s there for our grand politicians and DUmbo generals not to understand by advocating otherwise.”
Its still there.
Pending enough HEU to actually machine the thing !!!!
That could be a matter of month or days, considering they don't have to test
(They have the plans for a working device courtesy from A.K. Kahn)
That’s just it... if you read the entire report, there is NO real “flip-flop.”
This NIE appears to have been written with the sole purpose of providing campaign fotter in an election cycle, much like the Joe Wilson WSJ op-ed piece, which was actually opposite his official testimony before congress, which congress concluded “confirmed” the “yellow-cake” story Wilson told the WSJ was a Bush lie...
The mis-reporting of all of this is MASSIVE! and it should be CRIMINAL!
Do you trust the NIH?
Do you trust the Iranians?
Do you trust the CIA?
Do you trust the Senate Democrats?
Do you trust Israeli intelligence?
Do you trust our neocons?
Do you trust the atomic energy commission?
Do you trust none of the above?
Read about the qualifications and agendas of the Three Musketeers, the bas-terds who wrote the report:
http://www.americanthinker.com/blog/2007/12/the_suspect_provenance_of_the.html
I trust my own eyes and ears, my own ability to research at the source until I feel I have enough information to make an intelligent well-informed decision.
As for your list, none of the above...
YEP!
The minute you say “State Department”, we know we are talking traitors...
The State Department is filled by former draft-dodging 60’s throw-backs who spend most of their time undermining U.S. interests in recent years.
Of all the U.S. agencies, this one I trust the least!
Even more importantly they have only suspended the portions that don't also have applications outside of nuclear weapons, and the suspension of the explicitly military research has not delayed to date by which our intelligence community thinks that Iran could attain nuclear weapons. Those dates haven't changed between the 2005 NIE and the 2007 NIE. Despite this "halt" of the program, their program appears to remain right on schedule because of their uranium enrichment and other dual use research.
If they are still making the same kind of progress they were when we thought they had an active program and could have nukes in as little as 2 years, is their program really suspended? Or are just the most obvious parts suspended?
The suspect provenance of the NIE report
"The three main authors of this report are former State Department officials
with previous reputations that should lead one to doubt their conclusions.
These three officials, according to the Wall Street Journal, have "reputations as hyper-partisan anti-Bush officials".
They are Tom Fingar, formerly of the State Department's Bureau of Intelligence and Research;
Vann Van Diepen, the National Intelligence Officer for WMD; and Kenneth Brill, the former U.S. Ambassador to the International Atomic Energy Agency (IAEA)
Tom Fingar was a State Department employee who was an expert on China and Germany --
he has no notable experience, according to his bio in the Middle East and its geopolitics.
Vann Van Diepen, one of the estimate's main authors, has spent the last five years trying to get America to accept Iran's right to enrich uranium.
Mr. Van Diepen no doubt reckons that in helping push the estimate through the system, he has succeeded in influencing the policy debate in Washington.
The bureaucrats may even think they are stopping another war''
Kenneth Brill served as the US Ambassador to the International Atomic Energy Agency (the IAEA).
Brill also has no previous history of experience dealing with Iran.
(He graduated from Business School at Berkeley in 1973!).
* Recent reports, by Kenneth Timmerman and others, indicate that a single human source may be responsible for the conclusions of the NIE.
This would probably be a former aide to the Iranian defense minister and a retired general with long service in the Islamic Revolutionary Guard
(recently categorized as a terrorist entity) who disappeared in Europe earlier in the year. "
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