As it is, I am going to be switching from carrying my S&W 642,
to carrying either the Kahr PM9, 
or back to one of my many 1911's.
Signs don't matter too much to me unless it's somewhere like a military installation or the courts.
Posted on 12/06/2007 6:28:27 AM PST by Pistolshot
My biggest fears may be realized.
I don't post vanities too often, but this issue has kept me up most of the night. The ramifications of the shooting in Omaha have yet to be felt and what follows is something that we all need to consider and prepare to combat.
Earlier this year I made the prediction there would be a mass killing by another ‘troubled’ teen with an ‘assault’ weapon on the innocent, in this case an SKS in Omaha. It would occur in a large setting where CCW was not allowed and once again set off the Assault Weapons Ban demand from the anti-gunners. Utah didn’t do it, nor did Virginia Tech, because those didn’t use ‘assault weapons’ for their mayhem.
Now, that has come to pass, and in the heartland of America. The Omaha mall has posted signs requiring citizens to enter unarmed, and just about everyone complies, I would guess. In this instance, I would say EVERYONE obeyed this posting.
I, for one, have made numerous statements here on FreeRepublic that I will not ever go unarmed anywhere I go, except onto Federal property, or the courts. In the case of the shooter, his troubled past led him to do the abomination now covered by all the networks.
Nebraska has a ‘Shall-Issue’ CCW law, which means if you pass the requirements, you get a permit to carry concealed. Once again, the inability of a business, that doesn’t understand the dynamics of CCW, post a sign saying NO WEAPONS ALLOWED, and thereby leaving the innocent, and the capable from defending themselves.
The anti-gun people will scream something needs to be done about these weapons. I foresee legislation to increase in the age to 21 for ANY firearm purchase. As it is now, at age 18 you can buy a rifle or shotgun. I also foresee the Democrat controlled congress to bring the dreaded McCarthy Assault Weapons Ban(H.R. 1022) to the table for consideration and passage, and then all hell will break loose in the campaign.
For those of you who do not know what this bill is about check this link. H.R. 1022
The premise is to eliminate just about any weapon that is semi-automatic, be it rifle or shotgun, any magazine of 10 rounds or more, and the controlled transfer of any of the listed ‘assault weapons’
Now, why is this my biggest fear?
President George W. Bush promised Congress he would sign this legislation if it ever came to his desk. He said that with a Republican controlled Congress knowing it would never happen, but we are not in 2001, we are in 2007, a national campaign in progress, and a Democrat controlled Congress.
It is now a matter of time when we see this legislation come to pass, gun-shows will become extinct, and prices on 'assault weapons' will skyrocket again. Prepare to be swamped with ads and articles calling for this legilation
What will not happen is the look into the pharmaceuticals that have contributed to the problem of these troubled young men. Prozac , Paxil , and other Anti-Depressants have been incidental in these shootings since Columbine, yet NO ONE has called for more control over the dispensing of these drugs on our young. It’s the catch all of the psychiatric care of our children.
This is where we need to bring the discussion, and away from the firearm issue. It will do us all well to learn more about what the drugs dispensed to tour kids will do to them now, and in the future
Prepare yourselves my FRiends, there is a new storm coming.
I was wondering about that. Some malls and stores in Virginia and West Virginia required patrons to compromise their ability to defend themselves. I do not frequent these places.
Sadly, I agree.
At the national level, gun control is a loser. The pendulum is currently swinging in the direction of more individual rights, not less. But the enemies of liberty are determined, so we need vigilance.
You’re too pessimistic. The Demos are not going to touch this issue before the election is over, no matter how much the anti-gunners scream. After the election is another story, especially if a Democrat is the victor.
It’s worse than that. Some of the leading candidates for both parties are pro-gun control. And with the Supreme Court taking a look at the DC ban, I have to think this is going to play into their decision making. I’d like to believe they’d be sane and make the good point that hamstringing the publics right to defend themselves allows this sort of thing to happen. But I’m not that optimistic.
The drugs you mention represent billions in profits to some of the biggest lobbyists on the block. Don’t expect any action any time soon.
“Earlier this year I made the prediction there would be a mass killing by another ‘troubled’ teen with an ‘assault’ weapon on the innocent”
Did you read Travis’ book?
"If you don't support the AWB, how can you represent all Americans?"
I can see these type of questions from the MSM, the Dims, and all the anti-gun zealots.
The pendulum of gun-control is fickle, and can change in a day, with he 'right' kind of exposure.
“The Omaha mall has posted signs requiring citizens to enter unarmed...”
The problem was they didn’t have a sign requiring citizens not to shoot anyone. It’s a simple fix.
So far, I haven’t heard much gun-grabber pandemonium propaganda coming from this incident. Perhaps people have gotten the message that IF someone HAD a weapon there other than the murderer there might not have been that many dead...............
Nope, I have noticed, however, that when the Democrats need to deflect scrutiny on themselves or need a distraction, one of these incidents occur to take them off the front page.
What's the Average White Band got to do with this?
(sorry, couldn't resist)
:-)
We already know all about these drugs, and we know they are doing bad things to kids' brains. Unfortunately, as another poster said, these drugs and the counseling/medical services behind them are worth in the hundreds of billions of $$$ and the APA, the NEA, and CHADD will not go away easily.
My response to all these incidents, when people bring up gun control, is the link to psychiatry/drug treatment, and propose we start with banning these drugs first.
Robert Hawkins makes me think of Arthur Bremer, the 21-year-old guy who shot George Wallace...another loser who wanted to become famous. I don't know if Bremer was suicidal.
We don’t have any malls where we live.
20 yrs ago we lived in Cali where we had the SunValley Mall in Concord and a more upscale retirement folks one in Walnut Creek.
I read the local board/paper from down in Cali and both Malls are now punk teen and thug hang outs.
Now after 20 yrs living without a Mall we sure don’t miss it like we did when we first came here.
If Malls won’t let ya’ll conceal to carry then refuse to shop at them. Use catalogs or the internet or phone in orders.
The Hosp that covers our rural area has NO GUNS on all the clinic/doc offices and the satalite hosp/Medical Center too.
I laughed and asked why all the stickers.
I was told a fellow who had a permit to Conceal to Carry was using the facilities and was asked not to bring his weapon when coming to appts. and he adamently refused (good for him) so they put up the stickers.
NOW the nutcase who wants to shoot up a hosp/clinic is NOT going to obey some dang sticker on a door. GEEEEEEZE.
Not gonna happen. Oh, they may "try" to make it so, but I think the incident can also be "sold" as yet another "gun free zone" mass killing (which it was---the mall was a posted "no guns allowed" business) in response to any such attempt, and turn the argument around 180 degrees.
Do you honestly think any of the pro-gun Republicans are going to be "cowed" by any such attempt???
How long will it be in the USA that all the sheeple will be like China getting together in groups to practice our community events/sports to practice how we cheer in unison.
It really depends on the circumstances. I don't see a reporter sticking a microphone in front of any of the candidates with a lot of pro-gun supporters around.
But, if Rudy gets cornered, we might see his true side come out. He did support the AWB the first time around.
I’m curious to see if there will now be a number of copy cat incidences; if so, this could, (pardon the pun) kill mall shopping for the holidays.
Completely agree. It was one of my first thoughts as well.
The mightiest of weapons is truth.
And everyone knows you’re not permitted to
enter a Government building with a weapon.
John Alejandro King
Have they even said yet what type of rifle was used?
As it is, I am going to be switching from carrying my S&W 642,
to carrying either the Kahr PM9, or back to one of my many 1911's.
Signs don't matter too much to me unless it's somewhere like a military installation or the courts.
If your remember correctly, the original AWB did not include the SKS. All the gungrabbers were pissed that not enough weapons or their variants were listed, so you are correct in that any new AWB will be much more expansive.
SKS was mentioned in a couple of articles. The land-lord said she saw it a few days before and thought it wouldn’t shoot because it ‘looked’ too old.
What if I do? Are they going to take away my birthday? No biggee. I'm old enough as it is. Maybe some good will come out of this tragedy after all, like a class action civil rights suit.
“But, if Rudy gets cornered, we might see his true side come out. He did support the AWB the first time around.”
Romney still does.( likely Rooty too).
Check the transcript of the 2nd debate. Romney says he supports a AWB.
It basically doesn't matter. The only way to "make hay" on the issue is to publicize any such statement widely, at which point, the pro-gunners know about it, and the candidate loses support.
"But, if Rudy gets cornered, we might see his true side come out. He did support the AWB the first time around."
Rudy is "already" cornered--he knows there is not a snowball's chance in hell of his winning the Republican nomination without capturing some significant fraction of the pro-gun voters. That is why he is spinning like a dervish to downplay his "on the record" record as New York City mayor. Difficult, that.
Hopefully someone will sue the mall out of existance for preventing them from defending their life.
One thing I know for certain is that when someone walks around thinking this way, he draws violence right to him. Like attracts like - and the bad guys go right after the guy with the biggest chip on his shoulder, no matter how well-armed he is. They can sense an attitude similar to their own, and that's what attracts them.
For your consideration.
First thing I thought of when the story broke yesterday.
Wait until they turn the “patriot” act on gun owners.
I will not be a victim. Nor will anyone near me if I can help it.
I don't look for trouble or carry a 'chip on my shoulder' as you say. I believe the contributions I make to society as a whole are far greater than some perp bent on destroying other lives.
When you can walk in my shoes, we will have some common ground, otherwise, if you have never been in the circumstance of defending your life, we have nothing in common, and you have no idea what you are talking about.
True. And the press will certainly not want to report his suicide note over and over that points the finger straight at them - "NOW I'LL BE FAMOUS!"
We can only hope that the Democrats in their zeal to blame and disarm honest gun owners for what this deranged, drugged looney did, overreach, which they are likely to do.
I, for one, have made numerous statements here on FreeRepublic that I will not ever go unarmed anywhere I go, except onto Federal property, or the courts. In the case of the shooter, his troubled past led him to do the abomination now covered by all the networks.
Otherwise, it’s better to be caught with a gun than to be caught without one.
The problem isn’t having a gun to defend ones self. The problem isn’t Paxil, and any of the other antidepressants. They are just symptoms of the real problem-— and that is: PARENTS.
Iv’e seen many of these ticking itme bombs. Children raised to run wild, raise themselves, never asked to work, be responsible, or recieve punishment for missbehaving. When they finally start causing the parents grief, they are deemed depressed and drugged into submission.
When I taught???, I only lasted one semester. My hardest job was to merely keep them from rutting in the isles. The next time everyone gets their nose out of joint over a “no hugging rule” think again.
There are thousands of these children in the public schools. They have no respect for authority, much less respect for themselves, have no reason to learn anything since all is given to them,(hey, Mama gets a check and still gets to sleep ‘til noon), not to mention they display all the behavior of a pack of dogs in heat.
School administrators do nothing either. Too often the offender is a star on the basketball team. My step sister had her arm broken not long ago when a student threw a chair across the room at her—this by a child in SECOND GRADE. I wonder if anyone has any idea of how much violence is going on in the schools??? Suffice it to say, I’d be willing to bet a teacher knew long ago this young man was a disaster waiting to happen.
I don't know what propaganda you've been reading, but I believe you will discover with very little effort that according to most psychologists, the person who looks easily intimidated, unable to defend himself, is the usual choice as a victim of violence, not someone who gives the appearance of being capable of fending off an attack.
If there is some perp trying to kill people, I will not have time to question his upbringing or motivation, all I will have time for is putting rounds out and stopping an attack.
Do I expect to have this happen? Of course not, but a prudent man(or woman) armed to defend themselves or others is by far better prepared than someone who can't find a place to hide, and becomes instead, a victim.
egad, what’s with all the optics?
You’re confusing apples and oranges. Fights come to people who are looking for them.
I have CCW weapons for all seasons, from NAA minis to the big bore 625, it just depends on the weather and where I'm going for the day or evening.
I believe EVERY woman should learn to shoot a handgun and carry. My older daughters carry, and my 16 year old already has hers picked out.
Good points, and WELCOME to FreeRepublic.
“Hopefully someone will sue the mall out of existance for preventing them from defending their life.”
This is a point that needs to be hammered hammered hammered! If a private business takes away one’s capability of self-defense, it should provide “security.” It would end up costing less for a business to waive responsibility for protecting its customers than to provide security and still be liable for the performance of that security.
WHERE WERE THE SHEEPDOGS!?!?!
It’s too soon, and Mitt Romney hasn’t finished his speech about his Mormonism. Where are your priorities?
Michael Frazier
The Hildebeast will pounce on this like a flea on a sheepdog........
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