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Iran Curveball - This latest intelligence fiasco is Mr. Bush's fault
WSJ OpinionJournal.com ^ | December 8, 2007 | The Editors

Posted on 12/07/2007 10:07:36 PM PST by gpapa

President Bush has been scrambling to rescue his Iran policy after this week's intelligence switcheroo, but the fact that the White House has had to spin so furiously is a sign of how badly it has bungled this episode. In sum, Mr. Bush and his staff have allowed the intelligence bureaucracy to frame a new judgment in a way that has undermined four years of U.S. effort to stop Iran's nuclear ambitions.

This kind of national security mismanagement has bedeviled the Bush Presidency. Recall the internal disputes over post-invasion Iraq, the smearing of Ahmad Chalabi by the State Department and CIA, hanging Scooter Libby out to dry after bungling the response to Joseph Wilson's bogus accusations, and so on. Mr. Bush has too often failed to settle internal disputes and enforce the results.

What's amazing in this case is how the White House has allowed intelligence analysts to drive policy. The very first sentence of this week's national intelligence estimate (NIE) is written in a way that damages U.S. diplomacy: "We judge with high confidence that in fall 2003, Tehran halted its nuclear weapons program." Only in a footnote below does the NIE say that this definition of "nuclear weapons program" does "not mean Iran's declared civil work related to uranium conversion and enrichment."

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TOPICS: Editorial; Foreign Affairs; Government; War on Terror
KEYWORDS: cia; intelligence; iran; iraniannukes; nie; nuclear; nucleariran; roguecia; roguestatedept; shadowgovernment
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1 posted on 12/07/2007 10:07:38 PM PST by gpapa
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One of Bush REAL failures was in not fumigating the CIA, State Dept., and Dept of Justice of all the Clinton moles.


2 posted on 12/07/2007 10:10:11 PM PST by FormerACLUmember (When the past no longer illuminates the future, the spirit walks in darkness.)
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To: gpapa

Bush has been under full scale assault from the CIA and Stateless Department from day one. In hindisght, Bush should have fired them all (ala Clinton).


3 posted on 12/07/2007 10:11:54 PM PST by Mad_Tom_Rackham (Elections have consequences.)
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To: FormerACLUmember

The “new tone in Washington.”


4 posted on 12/07/2007 10:12:02 PM PST by Moonman62 (The issue of whether cheap labor makes America great should have been settled by the Civil War.)
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To: gpapa
i thought this would be iran back in september. guess not.

"Before and after the Israeli strike. A nice clean-up job by the Syrians."
-idf strike in syria-
5 posted on 12/07/2007 10:14:11 PM PST by robomatik
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To: gpapa

Stupid article. First this stupid NIE hack job did not change the policy of President Bush toward Iran. The President went out of his way in the last three days to tell the world and the terrorist regime in Iran that nothing has changed regarding the US policy toward Iran nuclear program, they are going to be stopped from enriching uranium which is the most important element to make nukes. The President is saying now what he has been saying for the last two years on this issue.


6 posted on 12/07/2007 10:16:23 PM PST by jveritas (God bless our brave troops and President Bush)
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To: FormerACLUmember
One of Bush REAL failures was in not fumigating the CIA, State Dept., and Dept of Justice of all the Clinton moles.

Why did he allow Porter Goss to be hung out to dry? Goss was attempting to do just that but once a few bureaucratic feathers were ruffled Bush folded like a cheap suitcase. There's some very strange and disturbing stuff going on on the security front, with spooks operating as an opposition goverenment and defying properly elected officials. Just what the hell did Frank Church and Stansfield Turner set into motion?

7 posted on 12/07/2007 10:20:18 PM PST by Bernard Marx
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To: robomatik

The International Left has studiously ignored the Syrian nuke strike even more than Bill Clinton’s avoidance of dealing with Bin Laden when he had the opportunity in 1993, when OBL first attacked the (now extant) Twin Towers.


8 posted on 12/07/2007 10:21:59 PM PST by txhurl (Yes there were WMDs)
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To: FormerACLUmember
One of Bush REAL failures was in not fumigating the CIA, State Dept., and Dept of Justice of all the Clinton moles.

Thank you, thank you. This guy in the White House is a poster boy for what not to elect as Pubbies. He has shown that this corrupt "Two-Party Cartel" is our problem. You all here elected him because the opposite choice was worse. The worst is to keep voting in this corrupt cartel. Will we have a "French Revolution" or will be be taken over & become slaves to Bush's New World Order or The Hilabeast's commie, fascists gov. Nice outlook, right.

9 posted on 12/07/2007 10:27:43 PM PST by Digger (If RINO is your selection, then failure is your election)
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To: FormerACLUmember

The problems at the State Department [known as “foggy bottom”] and CIA predate Bill Clinton by many, many years. The Federal bureaucracy has defined the illness known as “inside the beltway” at least since FDR.

Many of the Federal departments have a life of their own. Since they all tend to to protect their own turf by aggrandizing power and money to themselves, the result tends to be larger and more intrusive government.

The State Department has never been known to hold our enemies accountable, but they don’t seem to mind putting our friends at risk. Jimmy Carter was known for keeping the Soviets happy while stabbing our friends in the back. I would find it quite easy to believe that all of his inept policies originated from foggy bottom. He certainly seemed to be in concert with their usual drivel.

The problems with the CIA seem to have been worse during the last 15 years. I am not familiar with the politics, but I would suspect that some of the Congressional oversight that occurred after Iran-Contra may have strengthened the hand of the appeasers. It certainly gutted the agency of its ability to gather “gray” intelligence.


10 posted on 12/07/2007 10:30:29 PM PST by the_Watchman
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There’s a girl in charge of the State Dept. It just doesn’t work.


11 posted on 12/07/2007 10:35:27 PM PST by donna (We live in this fog of political correctness, where everything is perpetual deception.-John Hagee)
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Hard to believe that you can invade a country but can’t fire your own intelligence people for messing up. How many UN resolutions does it take to get rid of these people?


12 posted on 12/07/2007 10:40:09 PM PST by Blind Eye Jones
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When you have renegades in the CIA and the State Department, you are at their mercy. They should be cleaned out immediately, by way of the courts, being tried for treason.


13 posted on 12/07/2007 10:43:31 PM PST by LiteKeeper (Beware the secularization of America; the Islamization of Eurabia)
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To: gpapa
What's amazing in this case is how the White House has allowed intelligence analysts to drive policy. What's amazing is how the White House has driven policy a priori of any data, even going to the lengths of manipulating or fabricating intelligence as necessary along the way (see Office of Special Plans) to support it.
14 posted on 12/07/2007 10:50:33 PM PST by Deathmonger
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To: gpapa
I noticed news in the past week coming out of Europe that liberal nations such as France are stepping up sanctions against Iran, not reducing them.

Sounds like Bush is winning, and the MSM is spinning it as a loss...

15 posted on 12/07/2007 10:51:16 PM PST by topher (Let us return to old-fashioned morality - morality that has stood the test of time...)
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To: gpapa

Excellent


16 posted on 12/07/2007 11:06:15 PM PST by Eagles6
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To: gpapa

And just how do the folks at WSJ figure that the President is at fault? Did he go over and interview everyone involved and write up the two conflicting reports? Maybe the editorial writers ought to look into why the two reports, two years apart can be so different.


17 posted on 12/07/2007 11:10:47 PM PST by SuziQ
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The Europeans (NATO), the U.N., Israel, and many left-leaning foreign policy figures are casting doubts on this assessment. The admiral who heads the U.S. Joint Chiefs of Staff arrives in Israel Sunday at look at data Israeli intelligence has on Iran’s nuclear weapons program. Even the liberal media will have this NIE ripped to shreds within the week.
18 posted on 12/07/2007 11:12:55 PM PST by Brad from Tennessee ("A politician can't give you anything he hasn't first stolen from you.")
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To: the_Watchman
Many of the Federal departments have a life of their own. Since they all tend to to protect their own turf by aggrandizing power and money to themselves, the result tends to be larger and more intrusive government.

The term Gravemind should be applied here, I think.
19 posted on 12/07/2007 11:27:52 PM PST by Terpfen (It's your fault, not Pelosi's.)
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To: Bernard Marx
There's some very strange and disturbing stuff going on on the security front, with spooks operating as an opposition goverenment and defying properly elected officials.

I agree. The Plame affair got me thinking along these lines. I know plenty of others have commented to the same effect, but I was thinking this on my own. You know how that goes - "Yeah! That's what I was about to say!"

I've always thought that the Bush Presidency is politically weak, with these CIA issues as exhibit A. This is in stark contrast to the hysterical Dem rhetoric which paints him as a fascist dictator. What are those guys smoking? Marijuana, I guess!

20 posted on 12/07/2007 11:45:49 PM PST by dr_lew
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