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I Was on the Waterboard
Self | 12/11/2007 | Mariner

Posted on 12/11/2007 8:59:40 PM PST by Mariner

I am an honorably discharged US Military member that was subject to the Waterboard in SERE school circa 1979-1980.

I'm certain there are other ex military member that would like to join me in testifying to both the US Congress and the US Media that this procedure, while effective, is not torture.

If the majority of the American people knew that this was an act that US service members are subject to, it would disappear off the front pages of every newspaper and news show in the country.

Sign up. State you were waterboarded. Jim Robinson can collect our logins and provide our info to a brave Congress Person or member of the administration.

Let's send the dims and the media running and looking stupid while doing so.


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KEYWORDS: congress; duncanhunter; torture; waterboarding; wot
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1 posted on 12/11/2007 8:59:42 PM PST by Mariner
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To: Mariner

Present it to Duncan Hunter. He needs all the media attention he can get to help him get elected.


2 posted on 12/11/2007 9:02:16 PM PST by wastedyears (One Marine vs. 550 consultants. Sounds like good odds to me.)
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To: wastedyears

Amen.


3 posted on 12/11/2007 9:03:25 PM PST by getmeouttaPalmBeachCounty_FL (****************************Stop Continental Drift**)
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To: Mariner
You’re assuming democrats care about facts. They don’t. It is all about grovelling to their anti-american base and making the traditions of this country bad.
4 posted on 12/11/2007 9:03:28 PM PST by edcoil (Reality doesn't say much - doesn't need too)
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To: edcoil

Put me in front of Chris Matthews and Dingy Harry.


5 posted on 12/11/2007 9:04:31 PM PST by Mariner
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To: Mariner; 1stbn27; 2111USMC; 2nd Bn, 11th Mar; 68 grunt; A.A. Cunningham; ASOC; AirForceBrat23; ...

Ping


6 posted on 12/11/2007 9:05:21 PM PST by freema
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To: wastedyears
It would be great if it was sent to Hunter, the military is one of his biggest supporters, and he champions ALL their causes! And he won’t back down. Plus he is on the Armed Services Committee. He debated Kiki Dee on BOR tonight on the very subject!
7 posted on 12/11/2007 9:05:26 PM PST by gidget7 ( Vote for the Arsenal of Democracy, because America RUNS on Duncan!)
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To: Mariner
May I suggest that there is a qualitative difference between being subjected to waterboarding under controlled conditions where you are assured of the professional conduct of your fellow soldiers, and being subjected to waterboarding as a captured enemy combatant at the mercy of angry, determined interrogators?

There are some who wouldn't even object to waterboarding if they knew for certain it was torture. However, stunts like this post will certainly help those who need a sense of ambiguity before they feel comfortable supporting ethically dubious techniques.

8 posted on 12/11/2007 9:06:42 PM PST by Dumb_Ox (http://kevinjjones.blogspot.com)
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To: Mariner; kellynla

Ask kellynla, he seems to be very familiar with all things Marine.


9 posted on 12/11/2007 9:06:56 PM PST by JustaDumbBlonde
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To: Mariner

For the most part, isn’t someone in each SERE class given that experience? My dh went through SERE. While he was not afforded this particular opportunity, he had the pleasure of experiencing some of the others.


10 posted on 12/11/2007 9:07:47 PM PST by getmeouttaPalmBeachCounty_FL (****************************Stop Continental Drift**)
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To: Dumb_Ox

you have chosen your screen name appropriately.


11 posted on 12/11/2007 9:09:35 PM PST by Alright_on_the_LeftCoast
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To: Mariner

I wasn’t waterboarded when I was in the Marines but I did get a blanket party. So sign me up as having had a blanket party.


12 posted on 12/11/2007 9:10:11 PM PST by SamAdams76 (I am 4 days away from outliving Walter Payton)
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To: Dumb_Ox
Are you an anti-American?

You have NO IDEA whether this is a difference. YOU haven't "been there, done that".

Yes, there was a doctor present. There's also a doctore present when an enemy combatant is waterboarded.

13 posted on 12/11/2007 9:10:48 PM PST by Mariner
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To: getmeouttaPalmBeachCounty_FL
Somewhere between 1 and 3 in each class.

Everyone else watches.

14 posted on 12/11/2007 9:11:41 PM PST by Mariner
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To: Mariner

I think he got the “Aunt Jemima” treatment.


15 posted on 12/11/2007 9:12:36 PM PST by REDWOOD99
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To: Mariner
Besides Congress I think you could get somebody like Oliver North or Shaun Hannity to do an hour special on FOX showing that you and others who went through these evasion schools are today healthy and well-adjusted despite being “tortured.”
16 posted on 12/11/2007 9:13:03 PM PST by Brad from Tennessee ("A politician can't give you anything he hasn't first stolen from you.")
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To: Brad from Tennessee; Jim Robinson

Jim, can you help us out?


17 posted on 12/11/2007 9:17:04 PM PST by Mariner
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To: Mariner

What good would an audience of 12 do? maybe Rusbo will do something tomorrow.


18 posted on 12/11/2007 9:19:33 PM PST by edcoil (Reality doesn't say much - doesn't need too)
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To: Dumb_Ox
stunts like this post will certainly help those who need a sense of ambiguity before they feel comfortable supporting ethically dubious techniques.

Waterboarding has only been used on three terrorists, and has not been used since 2003. Some of our own military special forces and intelligence operatives are subjected to waterboarding as part of their training. The technique, though obviously extremely unpleasant, causes no physical pain and no physical damage - - it is "torture" the way fingernails on a blackboard is torture, or the way the constant blaring of rock music is "torture". Information obtained from the terrorist Abu Zubayda stopped terrorist attacks and saved lives. Yet you refer to the technique as ethically dubious.

You sound like a real buffoon, Bunky.

19 posted on 12/11/2007 9:19:55 PM PST by Lancey Howard
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To: Dumb_Ox
before they feel comfortable supporting ethically dubious techniques.

Waterboarding these thugs is not 'ethically dubious'. It would be absolutely immoral NOT to waterboard them.

Personally I don't give a rat's ass if we use blowtorches and rusty pliers on 'em.

L

20 posted on 12/11/2007 9:20:03 PM PST by Lurker ( Comparing moderate islam to extremist islam is like comparing smallpox to ebola.)
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To: Mariner

My husband is so funny. I just asked him a specific question, and he told me he couldn’t give me an answer or he’d have to kill me.

Most of what I’ve heard about SERE came from other pilots after they’d had quite a bit to drink.

What I want to know is why the media makes it sound as if waterboarding is something new; post nine eleven.


21 posted on 12/11/2007 9:21:02 PM PST by getmeouttaPalmBeachCounty_FL (****************************Stop Continental Drift**)
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To: Mariner

A bump and eternal gratitude for your service and the service of all our troops, past - present and future.

Now, give ‘em hell!


22 posted on 12/11/2007 9:25:37 PM PST by Velveeta (Duncan Hunter, 08' !!! The real conservative.)
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To: Dumb_Ox
"May I suggest that there is a qualitative difference between being subjected to waterboarding under controlled conditions where you are assured of the professional conduct of your fellow soldiers, and being subjected to waterboarding as a captured enemy combatant at the mercy of angry, determined interrogators?"

How would you know? The physical and psychological effects are probably the same. If you have never been waterboarded, you are only guessing and are not an authority on the matter.
23 posted on 12/11/2007 9:27:39 PM PST by jrooney (Ron Paul makes Jimmy Carter look tough and Dennis Kucinich look sane.)
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To: Mariner
Put me in front of Chris Matthews and Dingy Harry.

If you're close enough would ya smack 'em for me?

24 posted on 12/11/2007 9:27:47 PM PST by StarCMC (http://cannoneerno4.wordpress.com; http://starcmc.wordpress.com/ - The Enemedia is inside the gates.)
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To: getmeouttaPalmBeachCounty_FL

During my SERE training I was not personally afforded the pleasure of the WB, but others did. There were plenty of other indignities that were available. A regular smorgasboard.


25 posted on 12/11/2007 9:28:41 PM PST by sargunner (RIP Tonk)
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To: Mariner

Oh...people have heard that’s part of our troops training...its the donkeys trying to make something out of nothing...


26 posted on 12/11/2007 9:29:47 PM PST by shield (A wise man's heart is at his RIGHT hand;but a fool's heart at his LEFT. Ecc 10:2)
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To: sargunner

My husband was one who experienced some of the other indignities.


27 posted on 12/11/2007 9:30:38 PM PST by getmeouttaPalmBeachCounty_FL (****************************Stop Continental Drift**)
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To: getmeouttaPalmBeachCounty_FL
This is nothing new, and many people in our American military have been subjected to much worse while in training.

Most of us have "been there, done that."

28 posted on 12/11/2007 9:30:41 PM PST by Hunble
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To: Lancey Howard
You sound like a real buffoon, Bunky.

True, but at least I'm not aping the Khmer Rouge.

29 posted on 12/11/2007 9:30:44 PM PST by Dumb_Ox (http://kevinjjones.blogspot.com)
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To: Dumb_Ox

Andrew Sullivan?


30 posted on 12/11/2007 9:32:28 PM PST by REDWOOD99
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To: Mariner
RE: I am an honorably discharged US Military member that was subject to the Waterboard in SERE school circa 1979-1980.

I salute your service to our nation and all the others who served in American's armed forces. And I applaud you effort to get the truth out about waterboarding.

Of course, it would do a lot better if them Liberal Democrats and their MSM cohorts ever bothered with truth, facts or ethics.

However, I support you in this effort and offer my help in any way I can.

I was never in the service. Long story I will not bore you with.

The extent of my expertise here is my serving as temporary recorder on the Southwest Kerens Water Board the fall that Poop Early went off to take the cure.

31 posted on 12/11/2007 9:32:31 PM PST by Bender2 ("I've got a twisted sense of humor, and everything amuses me." RAH Beyond this Horizon)
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To: jrooney
How would you know? The physical and psychological effects are probably the same. If you have never been waterboarded, you are only guessing and are not an authority on the matter.

By this standard, the only person who could speak to the matter would be someone who had gone through a simulated torture/interrogation session and a real one.

32 posted on 12/11/2007 9:32:39 PM PST by Dumb_Ox (http://kevinjjones.blogspot.com)
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To: REDWOOD99

Genetic fallacy?


33 posted on 12/11/2007 9:33:51 PM PST by Dumb_Ox (http://kevinjjones.blogspot.com)
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To: SamAdams76

As a southern california guy, I always thought water boarding was some type of surfing..


34 posted on 12/11/2007 9:34:43 PM PST by Stayfree (*************************EquipmentSearchEngine.com)
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To: Dumb_Ox
Hmmm....

You have been a Freeper for a very long time, so I will grant you the respect that you deserve.

I will also assume that you were in Vietnam, and if so, then your views about this subject are being honest.

35 posted on 12/11/2007 9:35:15 PM PST by Hunble
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To: Dumb_Ox
Sounds like the poster of this thread did and you tried to dismiss him. If you want to draw people to your blog, post your thoughts at DU or Kos, they will agree with your terrorist sympathizing feelings.
36 posted on 12/11/2007 9:35:54 PM PST by jrooney (Ron Paul makes Jimmy Carter look tough and Dennis Kucinich look sane.)
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To: Mariner
Another idea—pretty far out—would be to get one of the networks to produce a realty show based on waterboarding where the contestant who holds out the longest wins. This would help sell the safety of waterboarding to television audiences. With the amount of publicity this issue has gotten lately we may hear about waterboarding being used for fraternity and athletic team initiations.
37 posted on 12/11/2007 9:36:00 PM PST by Brad from Tennessee ("A politician can't give you anything he hasn't first stolen from you.")
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To: Dumb_Ox

Which of the dozens of ‘ethically dubious’ terrorist attacks that were thwarted, would you feel comfortable to have seen come to fruition?


38 posted on 12/11/2007 9:36:25 PM PST by Velveeta (Duncan Hunter, 08' !!! The real conservative.)
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To: Mariner

Unfortunately, I can’t. However, while trying to waterski the first time, the skipper’s motor wasn’t running properly and I went 50 feet or so just under the water at about 5 mi. per hour. Does that qualify?


39 posted on 12/11/2007 9:37:30 PM PST by budwiesest (My GPS can't find stupid. Yet, it's all around me.)
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To: Mariner

You wanna see torture? Come back 5 minutes late from a 24 hour pass for doing well on a PT Test in Basic and have Drill Sargent Thornton waiting for you. I can still smell the hurl covering my chest as I ran, and did pushups, and ran, and did squat thrusts, and ran, and did situps and ran, and ran, and ran........ Well, you get the picture.


40 posted on 12/11/2007 9:38:30 PM PST by jwalsh07
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To: Mariner

I'm not afraid of no stinking water-boarding,
I'm made of board. Bring it on

41 posted on 12/11/2007 9:39:33 PM PST by MaxMax (God Bless America)
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To: Dumb_Ox

Conclusion jumpin’.


42 posted on 12/11/2007 9:40:07 PM PST by REDWOOD99
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Bump for a good idea...


43 posted on 12/11/2007 9:40:12 PM PST by D-fendr (Deus non alligatur sacramentis sed nos alligamur.)
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To: Lancey Howard
Waterboarding has only been used on three terrorists, and has not been used since 2003.

The way the MSM talks you would think it's used all day, every day, all over the place all the time.

44 posted on 12/11/2007 9:40:21 PM PST by Cementjungle
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To: Dumb_Ox; Mariner
Re: However, stunts like this post will certainly help those who need a sense of ambiguity before they feel comfortable supporting ethically dubious techniques.

Well, I agree, Dumb_Ox... Your FR ID Name says it all!

Except, I guess, for the insult... to oxen everywhere.

No more need be said... nor your posts replied to in the future.

45 posted on 12/11/2007 9:40:44 PM PST by Bender2 ("I've got a twisted sense of humor, and everything amuses me." RAH Beyond this Horizon)
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To: Dumb_Ox

Says the guy who played the association fallacy.


46 posted on 12/11/2007 9:44:31 PM PST by M203M4 (True Universal Suffrage: Pets of dead illegal-immigrant felons voting Democrat (twice))
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To: Dumb_Ox

Thanks for that link - - interesting.
Of course, it was no surprise to see Sullivan lying in the very first sentence of the caption, but then that’s what is expected from him these days. Maybe the HIV is eating his brain.


47 posted on 12/11/2007 9:44:49 PM PST by Lancey Howard
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To: Mariner
SERE, '68, North Island and Warner Springs.

Out of the 75 in my class about 5 were waterboarded while in the POW phase. They weren't volunteers but random choices. It was a lesson to all of us.

I wasn't one but saw that the victims didn't resist long.
48 posted on 12/11/2007 9:45:03 PM PST by BIGLOOK (Keelhauling is a sensible solution to mutiny.)
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To: Mariner

49 posted on 12/11/2007 9:45:35 PM PST by Lancey Howard
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To: Dumb_Ox


50 posted on 12/11/2007 9:47:06 PM PST by Velveeta (Duncan Hunter, 08' !!! The real conservative.)
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