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Hillary And Bill: A Mess Of Their Own Making ^ | December 16, 2007 | Austin Hill

Posted on 12/16/2007 6:54:06 AM PST by Kaslin

So - - what in the world happened to Hillary Rodham Clinton last week?

The one-time frontrunner for the Democratic presidential nomination faced a slue of bad news, and committed a series of what where perceived to have been “blunders” in her campaign. By the end of the week, her campaign had sustained a key resignation, a key defection, and a growing chorus of commentators saying that her campaign was in trouble, and that Mrs. Clinton could end up losing all four early primary races.

After changing her approach with rival Barack Obama back in November to one of “hitting back,” in early December Mrs. Clinton took to criticizing Obama for having written of his presidential ambitions when he was in kindergarten, and in the third grade. Then when Mrs. Clinton faced criticism for being “petty,” she had her aides insist that the criticisms of Obama’s childhood were a “joke,” and express disbelief that anybody would take them seriously.

But back to last week - - on Wednesday, heavyweight New Hampshire Hillary campaign operative Bill Shaheen told the Washington Post that, if he were to become the Democratic nominee for President, Obama would be constantly nagged about his past marijuana usage, and therefore would be a liability to the party. This led to Shaheen’s resignation from the campaign the next day, and a swift apology from Hillary.

Now, let’s examine this “Obama liability” thing very carefully. When it comes to Democratic party politics, Bill Shaheen, if you’re not familiar, is most certainly a New Hampshire heavyweight. He is a much sought-after guy when it comes to primary election campaigns, and has been helping candidates win in his state since the days of Jimmy Carter. And as if those aren’t sufficient credentials, he is himself a former U.S. Attorney, and his wife is former New Hampshire Governor Jeanne Shaheen.

Call me crazy, but I find it difficult to believe that a political veteran like Bill Shaheen would make such strong statements about his candidate’s opponent, without being authorized and directed to do so by the candidate’s “inner circle,” or perhaps by the candidate herself. If my analysis is correct and indeed Mr. Shaheen was directed to do this by, say, Mr. or Mrs. Clinton, only to have the Clinton’s tender his resignation after the tactic blew-up in Mrs. Clinton’s face, then this would seem consistent with some of the worst things we know about the Clintons. They are no strangers to brazen political tactics, but worse yet, they are often highly hurtful and destructive to the closest and most loyal people around them.

But let’s consider what the real “blunders” are here. The attack on Obama’s kindergarten dreams was petty and “knee-jerk,” by most any objective measure. Yet it came shortly after polling numbers had shown for the first time that the former President’s wife had lost her lead in Iowa. The timing of these two events made Mrs. Clinton appear as though she was acting out of a sense of disbelief, and desperation, and it cost her a very public and embarrassing defection of an Iowa campaign worker who disapproved of her negativity and joined-up with the Obama campaign.

But if the Clinton’s seemed panicked when attacking Obama’s childhood, they now seem to be something worse than panicked having raised the issue of Obama’s “pot smoking.” Certainly, drudging-up negative details about another person’s personal past can be perceived as bad form, no matter what the circumstances.

But in this case, Obama has already addressed this negative part of his past, and has handled it about as skillfully as anybody could - - he has admitted to smoking pot, has admitted that it was a wrong choice on his part, and has expressed regret for what his decision cost him. It’s difficult to be critical of a “sinner” who has confessed his sin, especially when the “sin” is perceived my many to be minimal, yet the Clinton’s have chosen precisely this very course of action.

Worse still for the Clinton’s, Obama has done what Bill Clinton has heretofore been unable to do; he has said in no uncertain terms that, yes, he did smoke pot, and he has taken full responsibility for doing so. Obama’s approach to the “pot problem” bares a striking contrast to Clinton’s approach to the same dilemma fifteen years ago, when he stated that he “experimented” with marijuana “a time or two,” but that he “didn’t inhale.” Bill Clinton was unbelievable then, and remains so today. To once again criticize Obama for his admitted pot usage draws further attention to the Clinton’s problem of trustworthiness.

Mrs. Clinton is adept at playing the role of victim. In announcing her new, more aggressive campaign tactics earlier this month in an interview with Katie Couric for CBS Television, she explained that she had endured many months of attacks herself, and therefore needed to begin responding.

Yet, in light of last week’s events, it would seem that the Clintons became victims not of other people’s attacks, but of their own miscalculations and missteps.

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To: alicewonders


51 posted on 12/16/2007 8:31:43 AM PST by Kaslin (Peace is the aftermath of victory)
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To: Kaslin

I thought Osama Hussein Obama had admitted to Cocaine.

52 posted on 12/16/2007 8:49:12 AM PST by BnBlFlag (Deo Vindice/Semper Fidelis "Ya gotta saddle up your boys; Ya gotta draw a hard line")
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To: Hildy

I’m with you, Hildy. The MSM is trying hard to be relevant and to make things happen in the Primaries. First, they whup up Huckabee and do not attack him, then they pander to Hilary, then they attack her. I will NOT let anyone throw me off course. I will continue to gather data and forge ahead to my own decision.

It’s all disgusting. As are the Clintooons.

53 posted on 12/16/2007 9:28:25 AM PST by bboop (Stealth Tutor)
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To: Kaslin
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54 posted on 12/16/2007 9:42:19 AM PST by Bon mots
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To: Kaslin

Thanks for posting the article.

“when he stated that he “experimented” with marijuana “a time or two,” but that he “didn’t inhale.”......... because I was saving my breath so I could SNORT two big lines.

55 posted on 12/16/2007 9:46:21 AM PST by UCANSEE2 (Just saying what 'they' won't.)
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To: red irish

“Do you have a history of negatives on Hitlery that I can keep on file?”

There are no files big enough to contain what you ask.

56 posted on 12/16/2007 9:51:26 AM PST by UCANSEE2 (Just saying what 'they' won't.)
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To: SteamShovel

” is like throwing the football game by intentionally handing the ball to the opposing team.”

Oh, you watched the last Chiefs game too?

57 posted on 12/16/2007 9:53:02 AM PST by UCANSEE2 (Just saying what 'they' won't.)
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To: mtbopfuyn
Not to worry, it’s just some right winged conspiracy.

Proud card carrying member since 1992.

58 posted on 12/16/2007 10:37:45 AM PST by Arrowhead1952 (I've been too busy for FR this weekend, because I did the things I refuse to let the invaders do.)
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To: red irish

Honesty: Hillary’s Glass House
By Stuart Taylor Jr., National Journal
© National Journal Group Inc.
Monday, Dec. 10, 2007

Hillary Rodham Clinton is supposed to be smart. But how smart is it for a woman with such a bad reputation for truthfulness and veracity to put those character traits at the center of the campaign?

Let’s take a trip down memory lane, to revisit a sampling of why so many of us came to think that Hillary’s first instinct when in an embarrassing spot is to lie.

The irony of her potshots at Barack Obama’s character has hardly gone unnoticed. Nor has the idiocy of her December 2 press release breathlessly revealing that “in kindergarten, Senator Obama wrote an essay titled ‘I Want to Become President.’ “ (Emphasis added.) This, the Clinton release explained, gives the lie to Obama’s claim that he is “not running to fulfill some long-held plans” to become president. Hillary was not, it appears, joking.

At a campaign stop the same day, Clinton added: “I have been, for months, on the receiving end of rather consistent attacks. Well, now the fun part starts.” Indeed.

I will not excavate Clinton’s own kindergarten confessions. Nor will I compare the honesty quotient of her campaign-trail spin with the dreadful drivel dutifully uttered by Obama and other candidates to pander to their fevered primary electorates.

Instead, let’s take a trip down memory lane — from the tawdriness of the 1992 presidential campaign through the mendacity of the ensuing years — to revisit a sampling of why so many of us came to think that Hillary’s first instinct when in an embarrassing spot is to lie.

Gennifer and Monica.

Former lounge singer Gennifer Flowers surfaced in early 1992 with claims — corroborated by tapes of phone calls — that she had had a long affair with then-Arkansas Gov. Bill Clinton, who had arranged a state job for her. Bill Clinton told the media, falsely, that the woman’s “story is untrue.”

Although well aware of her husband’s philandering history, Hillary backed his squishy denials, famously asserting on “60 Minutes” that she was not “some little woman standing by her man like Tammy Wynette.” More deceptively, she suggested to ABC’s Sam Donaldson that Bill’s contacts with Flowers were just an example of how he loved to “help people who are in trouble” and “listen to their problems.”
“Hillary’s words uncannily foreshadowed her insistence six years later to ... a White House aide that Bill had ‘ministered’ to [Monica] Lewinsky because she was a troubled young woman,” Sally Bedell Smith writes in her fine new book about the Clintons, For Love of Politics. Hillary has continued to insist that she believed what she said about Lewinsky. But friends and former aides have told Smith and others that she knew her husband was lying all along.


The first Clinton scandal after Bill became president started in May 1993, when Chief of Staff Mack McLarty fired the seven employees in the White House office that arranges travel for the press corps. The White House cited gross financial mismanagement. (The charge was never substantiated.) The sudden firings created a media uproar, especially when the dismissed employees were quickly replaced by friends and relatives of the Clintons.
Hillary later told the General Accounting Office, in a document prepared by her attorney, that she had no role in the decision to fire the employees, did not know the “origin of the decision,” and “did not direct that any action be taken by anyone” other than keeping her informed.
But her statements were contradicted by evidence, including a long-concealed memo to McLarty and a written chronology prepared by White House aide David Watkins that came to light years later. Hillary, Watkins wrote, had said that “we need those people out and we need our people in” and had made it clear that “there would be hell to pay” unless she got “immediate action.” Another aide wrote that Hillary intimate Susan Thomases had said, “Hillary wants these people fired.”

While saying that no provable crime had been committed, Robert Ray, who had succeeded Kenneth Starr as independent counsel, reported in October 2000 that Hillary’s statements had been “factually false” and that there was “overwhelming evidence that she in fact did have a role in the decision to fire the employees.”

Cattle futures.

The New York Times revealed in March 1994 that in 1978, just before her husband became governor, Hillary had made a $100,000 profit on a $1,000 investment in highly speculative cattle-futures contracts in only nine months. Hillary’s first explanation (through aides) of this extraordinary windfall was that she had made the investment after “reading The Wall Street Journal” and placed all the trades herself after seeking advice from “numerous people.” It was so preposterous that she soon had to abandon it. Eventually, she had to admit that longtime Clinton friend James Blair had executed 30 of her 32 trades directly with an Arkansas broker.

In an April 1994 press conference, Hillary denied knowing of “any favorable treatment” by Blair. But the astronomical odds against any financial novice making a 10,000 percent profit without the game being rigged led many to believe that Blair, the outside counsel to Arkansas-based poultry giant Tyson Foods, must have put only profitable trades in Hillary’s account and absorbed her losses. The heavily regulated Tyson needed friends in high places, and Bill Clinton helped it pass a 1983 state law raising weight limits on chicken trucks.

Removal of Vince Foster documents.

During the same press conference, Hillary was asked why her then-chief of staff, Maggie Williams, had been involved in removing documents from the office of Deputy White House Counsel Vince Foster after his suicide. Foster had been a partner of Hillary’s at the Rose Law Firm in Little Rock, Ark. “I don’t know that she did remove any documents,” Hillary said. But it was reported three months later that Hillary had instructed Williams to remove the Foster documents to the White House residence. Then they were turned over to Clinton attorney Bob Barnett.

Castle Grande.

In the summer of 1995, the Resolution Trust Corp. reported that Hillary had been one of 11 Rose Law Firm lawyers who had done work in the mid-1980s on an Arkansas real estate development, widely known as Castle Grande, promoted by James McDougal and Seth Ward. McDougal headed a troubled thrift, Madison Guaranty Savings & Loan, and had given Hillary legal business as a favor to Bill. McDougal and his wife, Susan, were the Clintons’ partners in their Whitewater real estate investment. Ward was father-in-law to Webb Hubbell, another former Rose Law Firm partner, who was briefly Clinton’s associate attorney general in 1993. Later, Hubbell went to prison for fraud, as did James McDougal.

Castle Grande was a sewer of sham transactions, some used to funnel cash into Madison Guaranty. Castle Grande’s ultimate collapse contributed to that of the thrift, which cost taxpayers millions. Hillary told federal investigators that she knew nothing about Castle Grande. When it turned out that more than 30 of her 60 hours of legal work for Madison Guaranty involved Castle Grande, she said she had known the project under a different name. A 1996 Federal Deposit Insurance Corp. report said that she had drafted documents that Castle Grande used to “deceive federal bank examiners.”

Prosecutors later came to believe that Hillary had padded her bills; she “wasn’t guilty of [knowingly] facilitating nefarious transactions — she was guilty of doing less work than she took credit for,” Jeff Gerth and Don Van Natta Jr. explain in their 2007 biography, Her Way. Hillary herself never took refuge in this explanation.

Billing records.

Hillary’s billing records for Castle Grande were in a 116-page, 5-inch-thick computer printout that came to light under mysterious circumstances on January 4, 1996 — 19 months after Starr’s investigators had subpoenaed it and amid prosecutorial pressure on Clinton aides who had been strikingly forgetful. For most of that time, Hillary claimed that the billing records had vanished. But a longtime Hillary assistant named Carolyn Huber later admitted coming across the printout in August 1995 on a table in a storage area next to Hillary’s office; Huber said she had put it into a box in her own office, without realizing for five more months that these were the subpoenaed billing records.

This implausible tale, on top of other deceptions, prompted New York Times columnist William Safire to write on January 8, 1996, that “our first lady ... is a congenital liar.”
The next day, the White House press secretary said that the president wanted to punch Safire in the nose for insulting his wife. Five days later, the president invited Monica Lewinsky to the Oval Office for what turned out to be one of their 10 oral-sex sessions. Two years and 13 days after that, Hillary was on the “Today” show suggesting that her husband’s Lewinsky affair was a lie concocted by “this vast right-wing conspiracy.”

And now she is citing Barack Obama’s supposed kindergarten “essay” as evidence of dishonesty. Astonishing.

— Stuart Taylor Jr. is a senior writer and columnist for National Journal magazine, where “Opening Argument” appears. His e-mail address is

59 posted on 12/16/2007 11:04:58 AM PST by rogue yam
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To: wayoverontheright
The media timed the DUI story in 2000 for the Thursday before the election, the point when it would have the maximum impact, and helped keep it in the forefront of the news that weekend by claiming that Bush had failed to answer a reporter's question about it earlier honestly. It has been estimated that the DUI story may have cost Bush 4 million votes--up till then it looked like Gore was definitely going down the tubes. Of course in retrospect the Bush campaign maybe should have revealed the DUI early on.

There was a theory advanced here in late 2000 that the knowledge about the DUI came from one of the FBI files Hillary got her hands on, from background information gathered by the FBI on GHW Bush. The story was so old that anyone going to the courthouse in Maine looking for dirt on GWB wouldn't have found it unless they already knew about it--otherwise it would have come out in his Texas gubernatorial campaigns. I wouldn't put Hillary past feeding that story to the press--the only question is whether she wanted Gore to win the 2000 election.

60 posted on 12/16/2007 11:12:35 AM PST by Verginius Rufus
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To: Kaslin
Mrs. Clinton is adept at playing the role of victim.

This might be a good time for Bill to get caught with a new girlfriend. The sympathy factor might put her back in the lead!

61 posted on 12/16/2007 11:22:57 AM PST by TravisBickle (Are you talkin' to me?)
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To: Kaslin
having raised the issue of Obama’s “pot smoking.”

Are we sure that it was "pot"? Bill Oreilly kept using the word "cocaine" when describing Obama's "youthful indiscretions".


62 posted on 12/16/2007 11:24:06 AM PST by Gandalf_The_Gray (I live in my own little world, I like it 'cuz they know me here.)
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To: Gondring
make any reference to shooting blanks.

I might remind you that Monica's blue dress is proof that Bill's not shooting blanks.

63 posted on 12/16/2007 11:37:05 AM PST by Hardastarboard ( is an internet hate site.)
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To: Kaslin
Has anyone in the MSM asked Hillery about HER pot smoking and drug use???????????????????

That has to be a logical question after bringing it up about an opponent

I'm SURE there are some old hippies or old lesbian girlfriends that remember smoking with her and Bill in the good ol days!

64 posted on 12/16/2007 11:50:34 AM PST by M-cubed (Why is "Greshams Law" a law?)
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To: M-cubed
"Has anyone in the MSM asked Hillery about HER pot smoking and drug use?"

Yes, and the hillary said "The answer is No."

I'm not sure what the truth is, but it looks like the official answer is "No".

65 posted on 12/16/2007 12:50:37 PM PST by joshhiggins
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To: Hardastarboard
That was then; this is now.

Besides, perhaps it was the Spinach Dip...

66 posted on 12/16/2007 12:50:42 PM PST by Gondring (I'll give up my right to die when hell freezes over my dead body!)
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To: Kaslin; All

“Mrs. Clinton is adept at playing the role of victim.”

You got that right!! I’ve been wondering if this was a ploy .. her seemingly “victim” status ..??


67 posted on 12/16/2007 1:01:45 PM PST by CyberAnt (AMERICA: THE GREATEST FORCE for good in the world!)
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To: Eric in the Ozarks

We can hope so, but don’t count on it. The Clinton mafia is at its most dangerous when it really feels threatened.

And I am sure Hillary’s goons have lots of other nasty surprises they can reach for in the days ahead.

68 posted on 12/16/2007 2:00:10 PM PST by Ronin (Bushed out!!! Another tragic victim of BDS.)
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To: potlatch

69 posted on 12/16/2007 2:04:10 PM PST by devolve (---- - Hey Boone! - My bonus check is late again! -)
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To: devolve


70 posted on 12/16/2007 2:15:24 PM PST by potlatch ("Life may not be the party we hoped for, but while we're here we might as well dance!")
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To: donna
It was cocaine, not just pot

Ah! But did Obama have "a nose like a vacuum cleaner" and did he collapse stoned amongst the trash cans?

'Bout time that little story did the rounds again methinks...!

71 posted on 12/16/2007 3:34:25 PM PST by Wil H
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To: devolve

Is that Huma???

72 posted on 12/16/2007 3:37:53 PM PST by jimbo123
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Another great indicator of hillary’s character and compassion is that she allegedly was the author of the legal phraseology in the Whitewater Land Contracts that stipulated that if anyone was late with a payment the prior payments reverted to RENT and they lost title to the land. Apparently they fleeced many seniors of their life savings this way, selling them worthless land and repossessing it.

73 posted on 12/16/2007 3:48:24 PM PST by Wil H
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To: Kaslin

Everything Bill Clinton touches turns to $hit.

Nobody wants to go “Back to the Future”, her new campaign slogan.

Almost every single person he has ever campaigned for lost. Not that Her Heinous doesn’t bear her own responsibility for the chaos in her campaign. People are seeing her for what she really is, and they are turning away.

The chickens have finally come home to roost.

74 posted on 12/16/2007 3:55:48 PM PST by Cincinna (HILLARY & HER HINO :: Keep the Arkansas Grifters out of the White house.)
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To: potlatch; jimbo123


I allegedly deny any alleged implication that Humma is allegedly part of any alleged graphic I may or may not have allegedly posted on or about Sunday December 16, 2007


75 posted on 12/16/2007 3:57:46 PM PST by devolve (---- - Hey Boone! - My bonus check is late again! -)
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To: Sig Sauer P220

The only place the Clinton’s belong is locked up in Leavenworth.”

I agree- but is it fair to contaminate Kansas? Maybe we should opt for Gitmo instead. They can see the terrorists up close and personal.... Fitting for both of them.

76 posted on 12/16/2007 4:13:24 PM PST by ridesthemiles
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To: Wil H



Thank you for your CLARITY, Wil H.



77 posted on 12/16/2007 4:29:42 PM PST by ALOHA RONNIE ("ALOHA RONNIE" Guyer/Veteran-"WE WERE SOLDIERS" Battle of IA DRANG-1965
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To: devolve

Hard to do now!! lol

78 posted on 12/16/2007 5:28:51 PM PST by potlatch ("Life may not be the party we hoped for, but while we're here we might as well dance!")
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