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Employers grab accident victims' cash
MSN Money ^ | 12-18-2007 | The Wall Street Journal

Posted on 12/18/2007 7:06:29 AM PST by Ace of Spades

A collision with a tractor-trailer seven years ago left 52-year-old Deborah Shank permanently brain-damaged and in a wheelchair. Her husband, Jim, and three sons found a small source of solace: a $700,000 accident settlement from the trucking company involved.

After legal fees and other expenses, the remaining $417,000 was put in a special trust. It was to be used for Deborah Shank's care.

Instead, all of it is now slated to go to Deborah's former employer, Wal-Mart Stores.

Two years ago, the retail giant's health plan sued the Shanks for the $470,000 it had spent on her medical care. A federal judge ruled last year in Wal-Mart's favor, backed by an appeals-court decision in August. Now, Deborah's family has to rely on Medicaid and her Social Security payments to keep up her round-the-clock care.

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TOPICS: Business/Economy
KEYWORDS: insurance; walmart
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1 posted on 12/18/2007 7:06:31 AM PST by Ace of Spades
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To: Ace of Spades
capitalism's dark side.

Or let me rephrase and correct: the dark side of man expressed through the medium of capitalism.

2 posted on 12/18/2007 7:11:11 AM PST by the invisib1e hand (chaos is an illusion.)
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To: Ace of Spades

Lesson being, when settling one had better make sure that the insurance company is re-embursed for their out of pocket expenses on top of whatever settlement amount that is finally settled on.

The real “Winner” in this saga isn’t Walmart, it’s the trucking companies insurance plan, they shifted payment from themselves to the couple who then had to pay WalMart’s insurance back.


3 posted on 12/18/2007 7:12:42 AM PST by padre35 (Conservative in Exile/ Isaiah 3.3)
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To: Ace of Spades

MSN must be really slow, I read this story in the Journal several weeks ago.


4 posted on 12/18/2007 7:13:15 AM PST by AxelPaulsenJr (The MSM is bad, except when they suit our purposes..............)
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To: Ace of Spades

not surprised - the settlement was to pay past expenses as well as future. since Wal-mart had already paid thus far, she would be double-dipping, legally.

Not nice, nor popular, but Wall Mart should get their money back.

in CT we had major asbestos lawsuits going on for years. after settlement, the employer went after the judgement and recouped all their expenses. the people ended up with little, if anything.


5 posted on 12/18/2007 7:13:49 AM PST by camle (keep an open mind and someone will fill it full of something for you)
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To: the invisib1e hand

Yep, “anything for a buck” goes to a whole new level.

I didn’t post this as a Wal-Mart bash, but they’re sure good at putting themselves in a bad light.


6 posted on 12/18/2007 7:14:13 AM PST by Ace of Spades (Sed quis custodiet ipsos custodes?)
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Now, Deborah's family has to rely on Medicaid and her Social Security payments to keep up her round-the-clock care.

SO whats wrong with government care???

7 posted on 12/18/2007 7:15:10 AM PST by hoosierboy (I am not a gun nut, I am a firearm enthusiast!!!)
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To: Ace of Spades
I noticed that the section of the article mentioning how Wal-Mart was able to recoup the money wasn't mentioned till near the end, as well as the fact that this seems to be a standard practice for most health insurance plans.

I think the aim of this article is to just be another hit at Wal-Mart, as opposed to a legitimate criticism of the health insurance industry as a whole.

8 posted on 12/18/2007 7:15:26 AM PST by pnh102
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To: Ace of Spades
This was taken care of long ago in Georgia, by statute.

Workers' comp insurer/employer cannot recoup medical expenditures until the injured person is "fully compensated" for her injuries.

Oftentimes there's some dispute about what "fully compensated" means, but in this case it's clear that the lady was not fully compensated. Too bad she doesn't live in GA.

9 posted on 12/18/2007 7:16:37 AM PST by AnAmericanMother ((Ministrix of Ye Chase, TTGC Ladies' Auxiliary (recess appointment)))
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To: the invisib1e hand

The settlement was to cover medical expenses, that is why it was awarded. If they can show that the money went for medical expenses NOT covered by their insurance, they have a strong case for not repaying the insurance company.

However, if they went out and spent it on something else, they have a problem.


10 posted on 12/18/2007 7:16:52 AM PST by SampleMan (We are a free and industrious people. Socialist nannies do not become us.)
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To: hoosierboy

SO whats wrong with government care???

They’re just tired of having Hillery! coming over to change
the sheets every day. She cares don’t ya know.


11 posted on 12/18/2007 7:18:45 AM PST by tet68 ( " We would not die in that man's company, that fears his fellowship to die with us...." Henry V.)
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To: Ace of Spades

Perhaps they need to find another lawyer to sue their lawyer (on a contingency basis) for malpractice in failing to structure the settlement to include the possibility of subrogation for reimbursement by the Health Care insurer.

Don’t know if it has any merit, but if it does, get it before the right jury and who knows.


12 posted on 12/18/2007 7:20:29 AM PST by Pete from Shawnee Mission
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To: padre35
The real “Winner” in this saga isn’t Walmart, it’s the trucking companies insurance plan, they shifted payment from themselves to the couple who then had to pay WalMart’s insurance back.

I'm not sure if it's even legal to do this. The normal procedure is "subrogation", by which an insured claimant assigns his right to sue the injuring party over to his own insurance company. The insured gets compensated right away, while the insurance company might get a larger amount from the injuring party years later.

13 posted on 12/18/2007 7:22:04 AM PST by BlazingArizona
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To: Pete from Shawnee Mission

I second the Second lawyer..their first one didn’t do a very good job for his client.
We know a young fellow who is truck driving for Walmart..will email this to him. It needs to get around to all Walmart drivers.


14 posted on 12/18/2007 7:23:21 AM PST by Oldexpat
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To: Ace of Spades

If she paid for the policy this isn’t right.


15 posted on 12/18/2007 7:23:48 AM PST by CindyDawg
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To: padre35
The real “Winner” in this saga isn’t Walmart, it’s the trucking companies insurance plan, they shifted payment from themselves to the couple who then had to pay WalMart’s insurance back.

Exactly. This is just like the episode of All in the Family where Archie's pub was being robbed and Meathead gave Archie the $10 dollars he owed him a second before Archie had to give it to the robber.......

16 posted on 12/18/2007 7:23:54 AM PST by Red Badger ( We don't have science, but we do have consensus.......)
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To: Ace of Spades
This article leaves out the most important bit of information and that is whether or not Wal Mart is "self insured" as my ex-employer is.

Many people believe that their employers simply pay a monthly premium to the insurance company for their coverages. Thats not necessarily so for large companies. If self insured, the insurance company pays all the covered medical bills then each month passes that bill on to the employer as well as an administrative fee for processing each claim. The same applies with whichever drug company the employer contracts with.

Back in 2005 my ex-employer paid over $82 million dollars in healthcare costs and drugs.........

17 posted on 12/18/2007 7:27:19 AM PST by Hot Tabasco (Visions of sugarplums dancing in your head are probably caused by bad drugs.....)
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To: Ace of Spades

Media Template: WalMart Is Evil.


18 posted on 12/18/2007 7:28:20 AM PST by Doctor Raoul (Columbia = Ayatollah U.)
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To: Ace of Spades
...so how much money will Wal-Mart have to spend defending itself in the press. Seems they could have earned considerable goodwill in demonstrating that, yes they were entitled to this money, but after consideration, decided the family was in greater need.

Think of the great free advertising gained by this gesture, they path they have chosen seems counter productive.

19 posted on 12/18/2007 7:32:18 AM PST by mr_hammer (Show me just what liberalism brought that was new, and there you will find things evil & inhuman)
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If she paid for the policy this isn’t right.

Sure it is. She got her money under the policy. Why should Wal-Mart bear the cost of her injury when it did nothing wrong? Her injury was caused by a tortfeasor, which should bear the cost of the damages it caused.

In this situation, she collects money from Wal-Mart to compensate for her injuries. She sues the trucking company, and wins, so she's recovered double. The result of that is that Wal-Mart winds up bearing part of the cost of the tortfeasor's actions.

That's bad policy. If Wal-Mart is able to recover the costs it paid, then the tortfeasor bears the full cost of its actions, Wal-Mart bears limited costs, and the woman is still compensated (just not doubly compensated). Seems fair to me.

20 posted on 12/18/2007 7:32:59 AM PST by Publius Valerius
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