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The Global Warming Suicide Cult (Don Feder: Its Really The Human Extinction Movement Alert)
Frontpagemag.com ^ | 12/19/2007 | Don Feder

Posted on 12/19/2007 10:43:56 AM PST by goldstategop

The Global Warming movement has been compared to a religion -- albeit one without God, but with a vision of sin and repentance, damnation and salvation.

Not quite.

Real religion is about improving the human condition by encouraging moral conduct in obedience to the will of God. The proponents of Global Warming are creating a suicide cult, which -- if followed to its logical conclusion -- will lead to human extinction.

Forget the Kyoto Treaty. Forget the Luddite Lieberman-Warner bill to cut so-called greenhouse gas emissions by 70% by 2050, which would cost the U.S. an estimated $1 trillion and result in the loss of 3.4 million jobs. That's just the beginning.

Ultimately, the Global Warming crusade is a frontal assault on procreation, the family and the future of mankind.

In the December 9th edition of Medical Journal of Australia, Professor Barry Walters urges a one-time "baby levy" of $5,000, followed by an annual tax of $800 per child, on Australian families with more than two children.

"Every newborn baby in Australia represents a potent source of greenhouse gas emissions for an average of 80 years, not simply by breathing but by the profligate consumption of resources typical of our society," writes Walters, who calls childbearing "greenhouse unfriendly behavior."

Walters will have to look hard for families to tax. Australia's fertility rate (the number of children the average woman has) is 1.75 -- well below replacement level (2.1) and less than half of what it was in 1960 (3.6).

Angela Conway of the Australian Family Association thinks Walters should pay his own gas tax. "I think self-important professors with silly ideas should have to pay carbon tax for all the hot air they create," Conway says.

Beyond the fiscal flogging to be administered to families who stubbornly continue to procreate, Walters says he wants the Australian government to consider population control measures like China's, with its one-child-per-family policy backed by draconian penalties, sterilization and forced abortions.

In Britain, a group called The Optimum Population Trust has the same agenda. The Trust is horrified by a brief blip in the U.K. birthrate -- up from 1.8 in 2005 to 1.87 in 2006.

It notes that the lifetime energy consumption, or "carbon footprint," of a child born in Britain today is the equivalent of 620 roundtrip, trans-Atlantic flights. The Trust urges government coercion for Brits who don't follow the Planned Parenthood model.

Global Warming-ists see people only as energy consumers (or pollution-generators), never as potential creators -- of say a more efficient light bulb or engine, or a new way to clean the environment.

The greenhouse-gas gang is on a population-control kick.

"Human population growth is the paramount environmental issue," says Ric Oberlink, a spokesman for the ominous-sounding Californians for Population Stabilization. "Global warming is a very serious problem, but it is a subset of the overpopulation problem."

Ric (dropping the consonant is his contribution to conservation) claims the problem isn't just too many people, but too many Americans, who, by our evil nature, will consume too much energy over the course of our lives. Americans are "by far the most voracious consumers and the greatest producers of greenhouse gases per capita of any nation on earth," Ric remarks.

That America has spent the past century showering prosperity on the rest of the world (not to mention defeating the twin totalitarian horrors of the 20th century) is irrelevant to Ric. It's all about our voracious consumption and great production.

"One solution to the crisis (a hot globe) is for people to stop having so many babies," says a March 14th posting by Dave Johnson at that fount of idiocy, The Huffington Post. "We've already used up the fisheries. The cattle being raised to feed so many meat-eaters is as big a problem as the cars we're all driving." So the solution is to stop having babies and become bicycle-riding vegans.

"The population explosion has severely disturbed the ecological relationships between human beings and the environment," the Sierra Club warns. "In recognition of the growing magnitude of this conservation issue, the Sierra Club supports a greatly increased program of education on the need for population control." The left is really into control.

Global Warming fanaticism seems to lend itself to self-loathing. In 1989, David Graber, then a biologist with the National Park Service, was quoted in the Los Angeles Times observing: "Human happiness and certainly human fecundity are not as important as a wild and healthy planet. I know social scientists who remind me that people are part of nature, but it isn't true... We have become a plague upon ourselves and upon Earth. Until such time as homo sapiens should decide to rejoin nature (by wearing natural fibers and living in trees?) some of us can only hope for the right virus to come along."

And they call them misanthropes.

Is the right plague what Jacques Cousteau had in mind, when he wrote in 1991: "In order to stabilize world population, we must eliminate 350,000 people per day. It is a horrible thing to say, but its just as bad not to say it." A speaker at Gorbachev's 1996 State of the World Forum in San Francisco called for cutting the global population by 90%. He did not specify the method.

Most of the Global Warming-ists are content to make preposterous predictions and induce panic, while leaving their ultimate agenda unstated.

Thus, in accepting his politically correct Nobel Peace prize, Al Gore (the Herman Munster of Global Warming) declared that, "We have begun to wage war on the Earth itself." Gore predicts that our trashing of the ozone layer could cause sea levels to rise by 20 feet in this century. Would that be before or after New York City is covered by a glacier, a la "The Day After Tomorrow"?

In a column in Sunday's New York Times ("It's Too Late for Later") Thomas L. Friedman squawks: "The fact that global warming is now having such an observable effect on pillars of our ecosystem -- like the frozen sea ice within the Arctic Circle, which a new study (conveniently, unnamed) says could disappear entirely during summers by 2040 -- is certainly one big factor (in the change of 'global consciousness') . But the other is the voracious power of today's global economy, which has created a situation in which the world is not just getting hot, it's getting raped." Look at the bright side: At least when Friedman is babbling about the environment, he's not blathering about the Middle East.

The doomsayers notwithstanding, Global Warming is not an observable phenomenon, which is why hysteria is an essential part of the sales pitch. I write this while gazing out the window of my New England home at 12 inches of snow and ice -- in mid-December, for God's sake.

As a group of scientists reported in a study published in last week's online edition of the International Journal of Climatology, over the past three decades, the forecasts of computer-generated climate change models (which warming alarmists rely on) don't correlate with actual, measurable data from weather balloons and orbiting satellites.

But that's just the tip of the Arctic ice cap (which, by the way, is not shrinking).

* According to Brazil's MetSul Weather Center, this year, the Arctic ice cap is within 1% of the winter norm, and winter has just begun. Ice on the southern polar ice cap has grown substantially, compared to last year. * Australian Cardinal George Pell, Archbishop of Sydney, notes that the atmospheric temperature of Mars has risen by 0.5 degrees Celsius. If only Martians would stop having so many kids with huge carbon footprints and start riding bicycles. * Hurricane expert William Gray of Colorado State University believes the Earth will start to cool within 10 years. Neil Frank, a former director of the National Hurricane Center, calls Global Warming "a hoax." * Richard Lindzen, a professor of meteorology at MIT, points out that Europe was far warmer in the Middle Ages then it is today. But the 17th century was much colder. (Then, it wasn't unusual for the Thames to freeze over in the winter.) In other words -- please pay attention, Albert -- the Earth goes through periodic cycles of warming and cooling, completely unrelated to carbon emissions. * There are now an estimated 22,000 polar bears, compared to 5,000 60 years ago. Apparently, the creatures enjoy the effects of Global Warming on their environment -- witness their predilection for sunglasses and Hawaiian shirts. * The temperature in Greenland is lower now then it was in 1940. * A thousand years ago, Viking settlers were growing crops in Greenland, which really was green. Sadly, Sven and Inga began driving SUVs and burning fossil fuels to run their 11th century factories. Ja, by jimmeny, the rest is history. * Reid Bryson, professor emeritus at the University of Wisconsin at Madison, considered the father of scientific climatology, explains: "We've been coming out of a Little Ice Age for 300 years. We have not been making very much carbon dioxide for 300 years." * From what we know about climate change over the past 12,000 years (based on historical accounts and data like growth rings on trees) the Earth's warming and cooling cycles exactly coincide with the sun's magnetic activity. * How about that scientific consensus in favor of man-made Global Warming, touted by Gore and company? It's a myth. There are plenty of scientists with the courage to call it a fraud -- the 21st century equivalent of the Piltdown Man. Others are silenced by intimidation. Scientists who are willing to go along to get along get tenure, research assistants, grants and peer recognition. * As Lindzen explains, "Scientists who dissent from the alarmism have seen their funds disappear, their work derided, and themselves labeled as industry stooges." The invective is vicious. Lindzen: "I can tolerate being called a skeptic because all scientists should be skeptics, but then they started calling us deniers, with all of the connotations of the Holocaust (deniers). That is an obscenity."

Lindzen is one of those who compares the dogma of Global Warming to a religion. "Do you believe in global warming? That is a religious question. So is the second part: Are you a skeptic or a believer?"

The professor is mistaken. Global Warming is a religion only in the sense that Jim Jones' People's Temple and the Heaven's Gate were religions.

In its more extreme variation, Global Warming is a suicide cult whose prophets and priests warm to the idea of the mass extinction of humanity.

While many warming alarmists are content to repeal the industrial revolution, and others favor the end of civilization through gradual de-population (worldwide, fertility rates have declined by 50% in the past half-century, and still they carry on about over-population), others are more ambitious.

Underlying the left's agenda has always been a hatred of humanity. Enlightenment philosophers hated mankind because our nature wouldn't conform to their utopian ideals.

Marxists hated us because we were selfish beasts who stupidly refused to embrace scientific socialism. Ah, the misuses of science.

An earlier generation of ecologists hated us for polluting, for despoiling virgin wilderness with skyscrapers and shopping malls, for not allowing them to contemplate pristine nature from their vacation homes.

Animal rights activists hate us for dominating other species.

And Global-Warming-ists hate us for having children, not driving hybrid cars, destroying the ozone layer with CO2 emissions, making life miserable for the penguins and polar bears, and, eventually -- according to their nightmare scenarios -- making the Earth uninhabitable.

Hence, the inevitable conclusion: The world would be better off with all of us dead.

* "Given the total, absolute disappearance of Homo sapiens, then not only would the Earth's community of Life continue to exist, but in all probability, its well-being enhanced. Our presence in short is not needed," Paul Taylor in "Respect for Nature, A Theory of Environmental Ethics." * "We have no problem in principle with humans reducing their numbers by killing one another. It's an excellent way of making humans extinct," a spokes-creature for the Gaia Liberation Front. * "Human beings, as a species, have no more value than slugs," John Davis, editor of the journal Earth First. * In the book "The World Without Us," Alan Weisman celebrates what he sees as the inevitable extinction of humanity, as vine and branch, deer and bear, reclaim our cities. * There's even a Voluntary Human Extinction Movement, which describes itself as "the humanitarian alternative to human disasters." VHEMT explains that "the hopeful alternative to the extinction of millions of species of plants and animals is the voluntary extinction of one species: Homo sapiens... us."

Continuing with this grotesquely morbid line of thought: "When every human chooses to stop breeding, Earth's biosphere will be allowed to return to its former glory, and all remaining creatures will be free to live, die, evolve... and will perhaps pass away, as so many of Nature's 'experiments' have done throughout the eons." Is that why liberals seem to be disappearing?

The let's-all-die-for the-planet movement may be the fringe of Global Warming. But their conclusion is the logical expression of its ethos. Why settle for the gradual extinction of humanity through below-replacement birthrates and deindustrialization when we can accomplish the same thing in a generation? (For other Global Warming-ists, their death wish is more subconscious.)

But rather than having the decency to just kill themselves, they need to make a statement -- like the poor bastards who go to a mall with a high-powered rifle to see how many innocent bystanders they can take with them.

If you see Al Gore in a shopping center with what looks like a semi-automatic -- or at a podium handing out Kool-Aid -- run.


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What's the real impetus behind the Global Warming Cult? Saving the weather and beautifying the planet? Not quite. Its about human extinction - eliminating what the Left considers the lethal and baneful effects of Man's presence upon the earth.

"Show me just what Mohammed brought that was new, and there you will find things only evil and inhuman, such as his command to spread by the sword the faith he preached." - Manuel II Palelologus

1 posted on 12/19/2007 10:44:01 AM PST by goldstategop
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To: goldstategop
Al Gore - former divinity student - is Global Warming's false prophet.

Bible says to beware of false prophets.

He's already been shot down by some very fine scientists yet he persists in the madness.

Yesterday, there was a post on FR regarding the "ocean is cooling."

2 posted on 12/19/2007 10:49:20 AM PST by xtinct (I was the next door neighbor kid's imaginary friend.)
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To: goldstategop
I respect nature conservation groups like Ducks Unlimited.

Marxist groups using environmental concern as a tool to damage western civilization do not get my attention. In fact, as a general rule, I scoff at anyone who mentions the environment. Recycling? Pollution? Those concerns mostly go right past me -- because I find that the people who raise those concerns often don't give a rat's patootie about recycling or pollution.

3 posted on 12/19/2007 10:49:59 AM PST by ClearCase_guy (The broken wall, the burning roof and tower. And Agamemnon dead.)
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To: goldstategop

Good, then all those who believe these nutball opinions can just off themselves for the good of the planet. Without them spouting their tripe, we would get another thousand years of good earth. They just need to take one for the team and let the rest of us celebrate it.


4 posted on 12/19/2007 10:52:14 AM PST by Bruinator ("It's the Media Stupid.")
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To: goldstategop

(the Herman Munster of Global Warming)

Does anybody remember Milton the Monster?


5 posted on 12/19/2007 10:52:24 AM PST by Excellence (Bacon Bits Make Great Confetti)
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To: goldstategop
Exactly ... Bosnia, Rwanda, Dufur ... have no effect upon the socialist Cult ... but an incident of panties over some terrorists head brings out their wrath!
6 posted on 12/19/2007 10:54:30 AM PST by Red_Devil 232 (VietVet - USMC All Ready On The Right? All Ready On The Left? All Ready On The Firing Line!)
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To: goldstategop
According to these people, the greatest threat to the planet is . . . .

Go

7 posted on 12/19/2007 10:56:51 AM PST by Oratam (")
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To: ClearCase_guy

After seeing Legend with Will Smith, it is conceivable to me that a mad eco-scientist would unleash a deadly virus to depopulate the earth in order to save it. Obviously the best place to spread a plague would be an international airport. It could be around the world in less than a day.

As the eco-zealots get more hysterical, it would be a good idea to keep an eye in them.


8 posted on 12/19/2007 10:57:47 AM PST by y6162
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To: goldstategop

Marxists should be the first species of pond scum to go extinct.


9 posted on 12/19/2007 11:00:47 AM PST by TexasRepublic (Afghan protest - "Death to Dog Washers!")
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To: goldstategop

It’s a short leap from Kyoto to gas chambers.

There are plenty of people on the fringes of the global warming movement who are working towards a justification for genocide. It’s just a matter of time before the fringe elements become mainstream.


10 posted on 12/19/2007 11:05:21 AM PST by MediaMole
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To: goldstategop
Not quite. Its about human extinction - eliminating what the Left considers the lethal and baneful effects of Man's presence upon the earth.

Not quite. It's about extinction of the Western Culture of individual liberty through voluntary adherence to Judeo-Christian law and tradition. They don't do ANYTHING about Islamist procreation. There's a reason.

11 posted on 12/19/2007 11:10:22 AM PST by Carry_Okie (Duncan Hunter for President)
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To: goldstategop

Wheee! Now we can set up “Save the Planet, kill yourself” booths at all the malls and anti-war protests and provide the guns and ammunition so these people can act on their own beliefs. SWEEEEET!


12 posted on 12/19/2007 11:10:46 AM PST by whipitgood (Let's burn some MEXICAN flags!)
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To: y6162

Already a Tom Clancy Novel (Rainbow Six).


13 posted on 12/19/2007 11:15:42 AM PST by L,TOWM (Liberals, The Other White Meat)
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To: goldstategop
If these global warming cult members think killing off the human race to save mother earth is the answer, then I urge them to begin by killing themselves!!! Folks, if you want to see what an example of the danger of these cults, read Clancy’s book: Rainbow 6. It is about a bunch of enviro wackos who invent a killer virus, then are going to release it at the Olympic Games so that people take it back to their home countries all over the world. Meantime, the enviro gang that is doing this are hold up out in Kansas in a protective dome and in Brazil in a dome. Then when the earth dies off with this virus, they come out and live in their view of the earth. Scary stuff. But, now in this world, with billionaires like Soros, and millionaires like Algore and the other left wing Marxists/communists, it is not beyond belief that these pigs could try something like this, to cull the population of the earth. Scary stuff.
14 posted on 12/19/2007 11:16:04 AM PST by RetiredArmy (Better prepare, come Nov 08, we have a Marxist Commissar President and Marxist Congress.)
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To: goldstategop
A thousand years ago, Viking settlers were growing crops in Greenland, which really was green.

And then the glaciers came...I bet there's archaeologists counting the minutes till they melt back enough to have a good dig.

15 posted on 12/19/2007 11:16:04 AM PST by nina0113 (If fences don't work, why does the White House have one?)
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To: whipitgood

Good Lord don’t give those people guns. They all think Kevorkian’s a great guy, I’m sure they’d be happy to use his device.


16 posted on 12/19/2007 11:17:11 AM PST by nina0113 (If fences don't work, why does the White House have one?)
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To: L,TOWM

See my post right after yours. We are on the same wave length.


17 posted on 12/19/2007 11:18:34 AM PST by RetiredArmy (Better prepare, come Nov 08, we have a Marxist Commissar President and Marxist Congress.)
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To: goldstategop

You know, sometimes I wonder why we worry about these people screaming they want abortion because it is a RIGHT.

Seems to me the more of them that abort their children, the less we’ll have to deal with their stupid idealism in the future (you know, a self-fulfilling prophecy of sorts where the Left keep killing themselves off, sterilizing themselves to prevent hurting the Earth, and eventually the rest of us can finally live in peace and tranquility knowing we did our part to help them off this world)


18 posted on 12/19/2007 11:23:56 AM PST by Rick.Donaldson (http://www.transasianaxis.com - Visit for lastest on DPRK/Russia/China/Etc --Fred Thompson for Prez.)
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To: MediaMole
There are plenty of people on the fringes of the global warming movement who are working towards a justification for genocide. It’s just a matter of time before the fringe elements become mainstream.

Fringes are the people who get themselves killed in idiotic attempts to do something to someone else. It's the old "Darwin Award" time for them usually.
19 posted on 12/19/2007 11:27:15 AM PST by Rick.Donaldson (http://www.transasianaxis.com - Visit for lastest on DPRK/Russia/China/Etc --Fred Thompson for Prez.)
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To: RetiredArmy; y6162

It is not too great of a philosophical leap to go from spiking trees, cutting brake lines on logging trucks, slashing the faces of women wearing wearing fur, and imposing “breeding limits” to lining people up in death camps.

The great genocides of the last century had some damm petty jutisfications when you come right down to it: racial purity, needs of the revolution, tribal differences, bringing the world one step closer to “true communism”, that sort of thing. “Saving the Planet” has a pretty lofty and important ring to it, don’t you think?


20 posted on 12/19/2007 11:28:59 AM PST by L,TOWM (Liberals, The Other White Meat)
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To: L,TOWM

Well sure, killing all the people to save the planet would seem rational to an eco-nut. That’s why I think it’s conceivable.

What if the eco-bomber made a bio weapon instead of letter bombs? Much bigger bang for the buck.


21 posted on 12/19/2007 11:34:21 AM PST by y6162
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To: goldstategop
The believers in man made Global Warming are what has come from the death of the Soviet Union. When the Soviet Union collapsed, all ultra-Liberals came to the conclusion that they would never convince the world of the glory of the Workers' Paradise. From that point, they started loathing the existence of humanity. Global Warming and Population Control are simply the ultimate purge.

When President Bush was reelected, they started calling for the secession of the Blue States from the Union. When an organization goes against what the ultra-Liberals want, the ultra-Liberals want to destroy that organization. In the case of man made Global Warming, that organization is mankind. Eventually, they will want to exterminate humanity.

23 posted on 12/19/2007 11:37:05 AM PST by Repeal 16-17 (Let me know when the Shooting starts.)
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To: goldstategop

Ping!


24 posted on 12/19/2007 11:37:40 AM PST by Jo Nuvark (Those who bless Israel will be blessed, those who curse Israel will be cursed. Gen 12:3)
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To: MediaMole

Bingo! That is the real agenda behind the agenda.


25 posted on 12/19/2007 11:41:51 AM PST by Free Vulcan (Friends don't let friends vote Huckabee)
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To: goldstategop

Good article.


26 posted on 12/19/2007 11:52:34 AM PST by devere
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To: Repeal 16-17
Eventually, they will want to exterminate humanity.

For our own good, of course.

27 posted on 12/19/2007 11:54:40 AM PST by Captain Rhino ( If we have the WILL to do it, there is nothing built in China that we cannot do without.)
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To: goldstategop
It is interesting that the ones that I know who are true believers in global warming are people who are obsessed with death. They make a point of seeking out acquaintances and neighbors who are ill or dying and attend to them in their last hours, attend funerals with the same relish that most of us apply to wedding or birthdays. They are also technophobes, with no desire to learn about computers or cell phones. They find entertainment and virtue in people who are in the most dire circumstances and blame themselves. It goes well with the self loathing.

Every time I try to point out to them that we live in a dynamic vibrant ecosystem that has yet to even begin to reveal its secrets and mysteries they curse me as naive. Even after I remind them that I am a scientist, I don't play one on TV and I don't stay in Holiday Inns, that I have real reasons for my knowledge that this is all a hoax, I am labeled as a denier!

"You wouldn't think that way if you didn't work for that big pharma company!" as if that make me wrong! The CEO of my company doesn't even know my name much less my opinions on Global Warming!

"Why don't you believe what the rest of your peers believe?" Because "believing" and scientific opinion are 2 separate concept. To understand "believing" ask your pastor, as for my professional opinion, show me the data.

the 21st century equivalent of the Piltdown Man.

Hey now! Stop stealin' my lines!

28 posted on 12/19/2007 12:11:55 PM PST by Pharmer (How am I supposed to rule the world when I surrounded by freakin liberal idiots!)
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To: goldstategop
I've post this link

evey now and then for a few years now.

29 posted on 12/19/2007 12:18:15 PM PST by StACase
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To: goldstategop
And Global-Warming-ists hate us for having children, not driving hybrid cars, destroying the ozone layer with CO2 emissions, making life miserable for the penguins and polar bears, and, eventually -- according to their nightmare scenarios -- making the Earth uninhabitable.

Hence, the inevitable conclusion: The world would be better off with all of us dead.

No problemo. Them first. I'll help.

30 posted on 12/19/2007 12:23:11 PM PST by Noumenon (Liberalism itself is a hate crime)
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To: xtinct; Quix; Sensei Ern; sionnsar; Excellence; Bruinator; Red_Devil 232; Oratam; ClearCase_guy; ...

Here is an eco-friendly riddle:

QUESTION: How did the eco-terrorist survive after
successfully murdering twelve people with a deadly
device that was securely attached to her body?

ANSWER: The deadly device was her womb.

Oops. Forgot. The unborn aren’t really human. (snark)

Next thing you know, there’ll be a score card with
variations in eternal benefits for the number of
humans the eco-bombers take out. Women who abort
will probably be disqualified.


31 posted on 12/19/2007 12:26:16 PM PST by Jo Nuvark (Those who bless Israel will be blessed, those who curse Israel will be cursed. Gen 12:3)
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To: goldstategop
Look at the bright side: At least when Friedman is babbling about the environment, he's not blathering about the Middle East.

That's for sure!

32 posted on 12/19/2007 12:29:22 PM PST by AU72
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To: goldstategop
It really is about human extinction — and not suicide.

I’ve (stupidly) tried reasoning with some people who seriously advocate reducing the population by 90% — and even talk of infertility viruses. I always invite them to lead by example.

33 posted on 12/19/2007 12:41:18 PM PST by USFRIENDINVICTORIA
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To: goldstategop

Someone’s been reading my posts. LOL!

From: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1938440/posts?page=200#200

Organic is code for “we are animals”.
If we are animals, then we are not
accountable to our Creator. We are
but dust, expendable, selfish earth
abusers; nothing higher or possessing
dominion over the animals or what the
earth produces.

Justifies abortion.

Absolves guilt for murdering the innocent.


34 posted on 12/19/2007 12:44:07 PM PST by Jo Nuvark (Those who bless Israel will be blessed, those who curse Israel will be cursed. Gen 12:3)
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To: goldstategop

Another assault on humanity is through the villification
of the very things that give us life and a reason to live ...

... Food, Air, Babies, Creativity, Faith, etc.


35 posted on 12/19/2007 12:48:34 PM PST by Jo Nuvark (Those who bless Israel will be blessed, those who curse Israel will be cursed. Gen 12:3)
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To: goldstategop

bump.


36 posted on 12/19/2007 12:51:56 PM PST by Theo (Global warming "scientists." Pro-evolution "scientists." They're both wrong.)
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To: goldstategop
Not quite. Its about human extinction - eliminating what the Left considers the lethal and baneful effects of Man's presence upon the earth.

Nationalized healthcare should be very helpful in this effort...

37 posted on 12/19/2007 12:59:26 PM PST by gridlock ("I'd gladly pay you Tuesday for a hamburger today" -- J. Wellington Wimpy)
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To: Jo Nuvark
Kyoto-Schmyoto!
38 posted on 12/19/2007 1:01:20 PM PST by sono (Washington, DC. You will never find a more wretched hive of scum and villainy.)
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To: goldstategop

Modern totalitarianism is all about mass death - that being the core business of the State.


39 posted on 12/19/2007 1:07:13 PM PST by headsonpikes (Genocide is the highest sacrament of socialism.)
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To: sono

What I have never been able to understand is this...

1. I grew up shallow breathing gray, smoggy, toxic air in the San Fernando Valley circa 1960’s. It was when smog alerts really meant “don’t breathe”.

OBSERVABLE EVIDENCE: Today the air is remarkably cleaner.

2. I remember when Lake Tahoe was a toxic stew. You could not see 12” below the surface.

OBSERVABLE EVIDENCE: Tahoe is a crystal clear lake you can confidently drink from.

3. I remember when you could actually see and smell the exhaust from vehicles.

OBSERVABLE EVIDENCE: Cars don’t stink anymore and emission particles are invisible.

SO WHY THEN... would the earth be getting
warmer from pollution that doesn’t exist anymore?
And why is the the fault of America?

4. I remember when the highways were adrift with garbage.

OBSERVABLE EVIDENCE: Every highway in the U.S. has litter laws and cleanup detachments paid for by tax dollars.

5. I remember when news programs were unrated.

OBSERVABLE EVIDENCE: As soon as TV news had to compete for ratings, the ugliness of graphic, selatious, gratuitous and depraved so called “news” took a foothold and has not let go.

6. I remember when smoking commercials could be found on TV. Then they discovered it caused cancer. Tobacco company’s were forbidden to show anyone smoking on TV, they were brought to trial, fined and forced to label the box to tell you that smoking is dangerous.

OBSERVABLE EVIDENCE: While it is clearly the smoker who chooses risky behavior, people still smoke. Tobacco companies have endured illegal double jeopardy prosecutions for ... causing cancer.


40 posted on 12/19/2007 1:25:30 PM PST by Jo Nuvark (Those who bless Israel will be blessed, those who curse Israel will be cursed. Gen 12:3)
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To: goldstategop
The Trust urges government coercion for Brits who don't follow the Planned Parenthood model.

Interesting. Will they try to also force Muslim families into this model, or will they be exempted for multicultural reasons? After all, it is the Muslims who are driving this increase in births in Britain; it certainly isn't the native Brits.

41 posted on 12/19/2007 1:56:53 PM PST by SuziQ
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To: y6162
As the eco-zealots get more hysterical, it would be a good idea to keep an eye in them.

Have you read Tom Clancy's "Rainbow Six"? It's all about the 'Druids', as one of the protagonists calls them.

42 posted on 12/19/2007 1:58:51 PM PST by SuziQ
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To: SuziQ

I stopped reading Clancy after they started making movies of his books...


43 posted on 12/19/2007 2:02:38 PM PST by y6162
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To: USFRIENDINVICTORIA

“I’ve (stupidly) tried reasoning with some people who seriously advocate reducing the population by 90%...”

One of the many things that the liberals and their fellow travelers, the environmentalists, don’t realize is that if we want all of the comforts and accommodations of modern life, including all of the high-tech things like computers, the Internet, communications satellites and GPS’s (to name but a small handful), then we need literally needs billions of human beings. Think of the millions of man years required to just advance computer technology to its current state.

This cannot be done with even a billion people. Too much specialization is required in too many areas by people who’s lives are dedicated to nothing but these very narrow areas of specialization. There also has be a very large low-tech sector to support these people. So, that’s the trade off; 6 billion human beings and the Internet and modern medical science or a former pastoral life that was truly “solitary, nasty, brutish and short.”


44 posted on 12/19/2007 2:09:42 PM PST by KamperKen
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To: goldstategop

The global warming nuts can reduce the population today, and be thanked for it by the rest of us. Oops, I forgot. Their rules do not apply to them. Just to the rest of us.


45 posted on 12/19/2007 2:14:25 PM PST by Daveinyork
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To: Bruinator

Actually it is a Partial Human Extinction Movement. There must be 50 million or so humans left alive as stewards of the planet- to be made up of themselves, of course. Having no understanding of how wealth is created and maintained they believe that they will be able to off almost all of the human race and be able to live on their plush estates with their bicycles and high tech homes scattered about the planet leaving no “footprint.” Many of these people believe they can simply decree pollutionless technology for themselves by passing a law or by government fiat. They wish to live in the techno equivalent of the medieval world, as lords and ladies in their castles but without the peasantry and the tradesmen. It is all consistent for people that believe reality to be a mental construct.


46 posted on 12/19/2007 2:33:38 PM PST by ThanhPhero (di hanh huong den La Vang)
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To: whipitgood

No guns. Too many will see that can do more good by shooting someone else and eliminating others who do not think right instead of themselves who do think right.The booths should just have a needle hookup or plastic bags for those who want to go to the comet.


47 posted on 12/19/2007 2:36:44 PM PST by ThanhPhero (di hanh huong den La Vang)
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To: y6162
After seeing Legend with Will Smith, it is conceivable to me that a mad eco-scientist would unleash a deadly virus to depopulate the earth in order to save it. Obviously the best place to spread a plague would be an international airport. It could be around the world in less than a day.

Ever see the movie "Twelve Monkeys?" That's exactly what happens.

48 posted on 12/19/2007 2:41:33 PM PST by Polonius (It's called logic, it'll help you.)
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To: gridlock

Nationalizing healthcare will certainly begin the reduction in life expectancy for Americans.


49 posted on 12/19/2007 2:45:14 PM PST by ThanhPhero (di hanh huong den La Vang)
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To: goldstategop

I am surprised the US global warming types have not seized on immigration, legal and illegal. With 1.2 million legal immigrants entering annually and another 500,000 to 1 million legals per year, the US population is soaring faster than any developed nation on the planet with an annual population growth of .89%. We have added 100 million since 1970 and will add another 167 million by 2060. In fact, in just 23 years, we will add another 62 million [roughly the size of the UK], by 2030. And just imagine the carbon foot print an America of half a billion people will present.


50 posted on 12/19/2007 2:52:06 PM PST by kabar
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