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Christian Teachers it is Time to Quit Your Job! ( All government schools are Anti-Christian)
vanity ^ | December 19, 2008 | wintertime

Posted on 12/19/2007 2:40:07 PM PST by wintertime

Bruce Shortt in his resolution to the Southern Baptist Convention, May, 2007, writes:

"In 2002 the SBC’s Council on Family Life reported that roughly 88% of our children leave the church within 2 years after graduating from high school. It is reported by LifeWay’s Zan Tyler that Josh McDowell Ministries pegs the number who leave at 92%.3 " (B.Shortt)

However the retention rate for homeschoolers is much better.

"Research by Dr. Brian Ray, founder of NHERI, found that 94% of all homeschooled children retained their faith into adulthood." (B. Shortt)

Regarding the successes of children educated in Christian schools, they are far superior to those children educated in government schools:

"The Nehemiah Institute’s worldview testing shows that students in Christian schools reject moral relativism at a rate 500% higher than Christian children attending public schools. The same worldview surveys also show that children receiving a Christian education do better on worldview issues overall than their public school counterparts, with outstanding results typically coming from Christian schools that incorporate worldview materials in their curriculum and homeschooled children." ( B. Shortt)

I ask Christian teachers teaching in government schools,”How much influence can a Christian teacher have on children in government schools who are not from Christian homes?”

In my opinion, Christian teachers have little or no influence over the spiritual lives of their non-Christian students. If dedicated Christian parents are having so little success with their own children, I doubt that a Christian teacher can turn around a child who goes home every day to a secular family.

My recommendations to Christian teachers in the government schools:

1)Resign.

2)Consider your own children and the children of the parents in your congregation as your most important and urgent mission field.

3) Get your kids and the kids of your congregation out of the government schools.

4) Organize, and be teachers in, Christian schools in your own congregations.

5) If you can, homeschool your own children, and be a resource to other homeschooling parents.

5)Large brick and mortar buildings are not necessary. With today’s technology it is possible to have many “one room school houses” meeting in Christian homes. Of course we do have existing church buildings that, in my opinion, are greatly under-utilized. Christian teachers could be a tremendous resource in supporting these endeavors among the members of their Christian congregation. We may actually be surprised to learn that the educational and spiritual outcomes of children in "one-room-schoolhouses" are better than those in traditional schools built and run following the Prussian model.

6) Once your congregation has a viable and healthy education structure for its own children take in as many non-Christian children as possible ( provided that it would not overwhelm the Christian culture of the school). Mentor the parents of these children.

7) Work to organize private Christian scholarship foundations so that **every** child in the U.S. would have access to a private Christian education. Harvard has and endowment of $35 BILLION ,and small colleges like Amerhert or Williams $1.7 and $1.9 BILLION, respectively. We are a wealthy nation. If Christians REALLY WANTED they could do the same for children in this nation. http://opinionjournal.com/extra/?id=110010985

Finally, to ALL Christian teachers, NO! your school is NOT different. All government schools are Anti-Christian, and if you are paying dues to the NEA you are further pounding nails into the spriritual coffin of our nation's children.

Bruce Shrott writes:

"All Public Schools, By Law, Are Anti-Christian"

"First, it is important to distinguish between individuals and institutions. There is still a sizable remnant of Christian adults employed by the public schools. Many of them pray for their students and a few, though they risk being disciplined or fired, furtively try to witness. But this certainly does not mean that institutionally any public school system is, as some try to argue, “sympathetic to Christianity.” In fact, expressing nontrivial institutional “sympathy” for Christianity, let alone teaching from a Christian worldview, is absolutely prohibited by a complex web of court rulings, legislation, and regulations that apply to every single school and every single school employee subject to the laws of the United States. This is the hostile institutional environment in which Christian adults in the schools are forced to work. And, unfortunately, when you put good people in a bad system, the system almost always wins, which is the reason the public school system continues to deteriorate."

“Sympathy”, or the lack of sympathy, however, is simply not the relevant standard for judging whether a school is a suitable place to train up a Christian child. Christ tells us clearly that “He who is not with Me is against Me, and he who does not gather with Me scatters abroad.” For forty years and more, every public school has been legally prohibited from being for Christ. Unless one chooses to disregard Christ’s teaching, the only conclusion that can honestly be reached is that the entire public school system, by law, is against Christ. As will be seen, this is further confirmed when we look at the evidence of whether the public schools are “gathering” with Christ or “scattering.” "

http://72.14.205.104/search?q=cache:kY4WNVux_NIJ:www.exodusmandate.org/20070503-resolution/2007-letter-to-committee-members.doc+Dr.+Bryan+Ray+percentage+Christian+children+leave+faith&hl=en&ct=clnk&cd=5&gl=us


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1 posted on 12/19/2007 2:40:11 PM PST by wintertime
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To: metmom; wagglebee

Please ping those who may be interested.

Thanks!


2 posted on 12/19/2007 2:43:30 PM PST by wintertime (Good ideas win! Why? Because people are not stupid.)
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To: wintertime; Froufrou
Finally, to ALL Christian teachers, NO! your school is NOT different. All government schools are Anti-Christian, and if you are paying dues to the NEA you are further pounding nails into the spriritual coffin of our nation's children.

The money quote.
3 posted on 12/19/2007 2:44:09 PM PST by JamesP81 ("I am against "zero tolerance" policies. It is a crutch for idiots." --FReeper Tenacious 1)
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To: DaveLoneRanger
Another reason to homeschool.

Thanks.

Wintertime

4 posted on 12/19/2007 2:45:41 PM PST by wintertime (Good ideas win! Why? Because people are not stupid.)
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To: wintertime

Parents are the only people who can make a difference at the grass roots level. Public schools are a joke.


5 posted on 12/19/2007 2:53:14 PM PST by rightinthemiddle (Guess what? I'm voting for the Conservative.)
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To: JamesP81

The money quote.

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One of the reasons that we don’t see more Christian schools is due to there being so many government school teachers sitting in the pews. The ministers are too afraid to offend them.

Follow the money.


6 posted on 12/19/2007 2:53:17 PM PST by wintertime (Good ideas win! Why? Because people are not stupid.)
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To: rightinthemiddle

Parents are the only people who can make a difference at the grass roots level.

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What is needed is a mass Exodus!


7 posted on 12/19/2007 2:54:03 PM PST by wintertime (Good ideas win! Why? Because people are not stupid.)
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To: wintertime

Interesting article, wintertime.


8 posted on 12/19/2007 2:57:34 PM PST by Luke Skyfreeper
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To: wintertime

It is very sad but a true conclusion. Public schools are dying because of Democrats and courts.


9 posted on 12/19/2007 2:58:49 PM PST by Goreknowshowtocheat
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To: wintertime

I’m already out ... my kids that is ...


10 posted on 12/19/2007 3:01:54 PM PST by TexGuy
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To: rightinthemiddle
Parents are the only people who can make a difference at the grass roots level. Public schools are a joke.

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Parents can NOT make a difference. Why? Answer: Because the Anti-Christianity is embedded in law. (Please read Bruce Shortt’s paragraph “All Public Schools, By Law, Are Anti-Christian”. Government schools can NOT be reformed.

Shortt also writes that there is no neutrality in education. This is a fundamental characteristic of all education, and, being axiomatic, can NOT be “reformed” by parents or anyone else.

There Is No Neutrality in Education

Often Christians attempt to argue it downs’t matter that the public school system is not for Christ – that education is somehow religiously “neutral.” Education, however, is never neutral.

Any Christian who believes that government schools operate on religiously neutral principles is simply deceived. There is no such thing as metaphysical or religious neutrality. If an institution rejects the Bible’s teaching about the nature of God, Man and the universe, then it necessarily accepts, implicitly or explicitly, some other worldview, whether it be the materialist metaphysics of secular humanism, the cosmic humanism of the New Age religions, or something else. Government schools are no exception.

On a practical level, the net result of nearly sixty years of Supreme Court rulings on the meaning of the Establishment Clause of the First Amendment to the Constitution has not been to create a level playing field for different beliefs, but simply to take all vestiges of Christianity out of government schools. Today, secular humanism, postmodernism, New Age mysticism, and other forms of paganism pervade government schools at all levels. The teachers’ unions, such as the NEA, are openly hostile to Biblical Christianity and its values, and the curricula of schools of education and teachers’ colleges, from which the overwhelming majority of teachers are drawn, are suffused with a mélange of postmodern and other nonchristian worldviews. Not surprisingly, textbook publishers accommodate the education establishment’s worldview by providing textbooks that conform to the prevailing anti-Christian perspective of the education establishment.

http://72.14.205.104/search?q=cache:kY4WNVux_NIJ:www.exodusmandate.org/20070503-resolution/2007-letter-to-committee-members.doc+Dr.+Bryan+Ray+percentage+Christian+children+leave+faith&hl=en&ct=clnk&cd=5&gl=us

11 posted on 12/19/2007 3:02:07 PM PST by wintertime (Good ideas win! Why? Because people are not stupid.)
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To: Goreknowshowtocheat
It is very sad but a true conclusion. Public schools are dying because of Democrats and courts.

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The fundamental premise of government schooling was flawed from the very beginning.

1) Education can never be religiously neutral. ( In conflict with the First Amendment)

2) To have orderly government schools, the government must trash free speech, free press, free expression of religion, free assembly, and no school is religiously neutral. ( First Amendment, freedom of conscience, and human rights violations)

12 posted on 12/19/2007 3:05:51 PM PST by wintertime (Good ideas win! Why? Because people are not stupid.)
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To: wintertime
This all bears repeating.

2)Consider your own children and the children of the parents in your congregation as your most important and urgent mission field.

3) Get your kids and the kids of your congregation out of the government schools.

4) Organize, and be teachers in, Christian schools in your own congregations....

6) Once your congregation has a viable and healthy education structure for its own children take in as many non-Christian children as possible ( provided that it would not overwhelm the Christian culture of the school). Mentor the parents of these children.

7) Work to organize private Christian scholarship foundations so that **every** child in the U.S. would have access to a private Christian education. Harvard has and endowment of $35 BILLION ,and small colleges like Amerhert or Williams $1.7 and $1.9 BILLION, respectively. We are a wealthy nation. If Christians REALLY WANTED they could do the same for children in this nation.

Nothing is more important than this. The church's first mission field has to be its own children. Lose that battle and nothing else much matters.

13 posted on 12/19/2007 3:07:33 PM PST by marron
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To: wintertime

Um, parents can take their kids OUT of public schools.


14 posted on 12/19/2007 3:07:46 PM PST by rightinthemiddle (Guess what? I'm voting for the Conservative.)
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To: wintertime
Really dumb plan. When there are no Christian teachers, what do you think will fill the void - - that’s right, atheists and worse.
15 posted on 12/19/2007 3:10:53 PM PST by Beckwith (Dhimmicrats and the liberal media have chosen sides -- Islamofascism)
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To: marron

Nothing is more important than this. The church’s first mission field has to be its own children. Lose that battle and nothing else much matters.

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That needs to be repeated, and repeated, and repeated,,,and,,,shouted from the roof tops!


16 posted on 12/19/2007 3:14:49 PM PST by wintertime (Good ideas win! Why? Because people are not stupid.)
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To: Beckwith

The Christian teachers that are in public schools are tightly controlled so they make no difference anyway. They get to act like atheists in the classroom otherwise..they are out.


17 posted on 12/19/2007 3:16:30 PM PST by Goreknowshowtocheat
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To: wintertime

You hit on the bottomline..Lose your own kids, your culture dies. I had no idea Baptists were losing this many to the world. We have seminary and 2 year missions, but the world can still steal a significant percentage. Peer groups drag most kids down along with the Godless system of education.


18 posted on 12/19/2007 3:20:11 PM PST by Goreknowshowtocheat
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To: Goreknowshowtocheat
The Christian teachers [who] are in public schools are tightly controlled[;] so they make no difference[,] anyway.

wow.

19 posted on 12/19/2007 3:21:07 PM PST by bannie
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To: wintertime
We are forced to PAY for secular schools. We can send our kids to other schools if we have money left over, but not after we PAY for the secular service first.

This is a violation of the first amendment -- you know the one that is misapplied to guarantee the schools WE MUST PAY FOR FIRST AND FOREMOST secular. The feds have made a school system. They insist that it is secular. They insist we all must pay for it.

The situation is absurd. The federal government is supposed to stay out of religious affairs. Worked fine, until governments made EVERYTHING their affair, while at the same time the restriction on the federal government was expanded to all levels of government by judicial fiat.

OBVIOUSLY teachers are not the federal congress. OBVIOUSLY They do make laws. SO HOW CAN THE POSSIBLY VIOLATE THE FOLLOWING: "Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion or prohibiting the free practice thereof."?

20 posted on 12/19/2007 3:21:07 PM PST by AndyTheBear (Disastrous social experimentation is the opiate of elitist snobs.)
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To: Beckwith; Goreknowshowtocheat

Really dumb plan. When there are no Christian teachers, what do you think will fill the void - - that’s right, atheists and worse.

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If Christian parents have so little influence on the spiritual outcome of their kids, why would you think a Christian teacher would have any influence over a kid from a secular home?

And...”Goreknowshowtocheat” is completely correct, the LAW requires that Christian teachers act like atheists. What kind of role model is that? What message and lesson is be taught doing this? In fact, it is hypocritical.


21 posted on 12/19/2007 3:21:51 PM PST by wintertime (Good ideas win! Why? Because people are not stupid.)
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To: bannie

Sorry I offended your grammar sensibilities.


22 posted on 12/19/2007 3:23:44 PM PST by Goreknowshowtocheat
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To: AndyTheBear
We are forced to PAY for secular schools. We can send our kids to other schools if we have money left over, but not after we PAY for the secular service first.

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We should call it what it is: RANSOM!

Yes, we have the right to RANSOM out children from the government indoctrination camps. If we can’t or won’t cooperate with the government indoctrination camp workers armed police will soon be at the door. If a parent were to be foolish enough to resist, the police and courts will imprison him. If he were to be sufficiently resistant, armed police will kill him!

Aren’t government schools great? ( barf!)

23 posted on 12/19/2007 3:25:24 PM PST by wintertime (Good ideas win! Why? Because people are not stupid.)
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To: Goreknowshowtocheat

I try to only mention such things when the subject is “homeschooling.”


24 posted on 12/19/2007 3:26:30 PM PST by bannie
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To: Goreknowshowtocheat
Public schools are dying because of Democrats and courts.

they are dying because the teachers and the teachers union only care about $$$$$$
25 posted on 12/19/2007 3:27:06 PM PST by uncbob (m first)
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To: wintertime

Bruce seems to be short on ideas about how these newly resigned teachers are going to put food on the table. Oldest daughter is a teacher and I wouldn’t advise her to quit her job unless she and her husband somehow managed to double his wage.


26 posted on 12/19/2007 3:27:58 PM PST by Melas (Offending stupid people since 1963)
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To: AndyTheBear

OBVIOUSLY teachers are not the federal congress. OBVIOUSLY They do make laws. SO HOW CAN THE POSSIBLY VIOLATE THE FOLLOWING: “Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion or prohibiting the free practice thereof.”?

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BINGO! You are a winner!

Government schools always were, are now, and always will be in violation of the First Amendment. They can NOT be reformed.

It is impossible to have a religiously neutral school! It is axiomatic. So....Once government opens government schools it is establishing the religious belief of some and trashing the beliefs of others.


27 posted on 12/19/2007 3:29:03 PM PST by wintertime (Good ideas win! Why? Because people are not stupid.)
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To: wintertime

100% agree. The government schools are a lost cause and should be treated as such. If enough of us get out, we can also form a political bloc powerful enough to confront the NEA and get back our local taxes that are currently being paid to indoctrinate other people’s kids into secular humanist christophobes.


28 posted on 12/19/2007 3:30:37 PM PST by Antoninus (Republicans who support Rudy owe Bill Clinton an apology.)
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To: Melas

Bruce seems to be short on ideas about how these newly resigned teachers are going to put food on the table.

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What advice would you give to someone who made a living off of a criminal vice? Would you say things like, “Trust in the Lord and He will guide your path?” Would you suggest prayer and faith?

In my opinion, going into a government school, acting like an atheist role model to government school children, teaching an atheistic curriculum, and ignoring the spiritual needs of the children in your own congregation, is a spiritual crime. ( Some would call it “sin”.)


29 posted on 12/19/2007 3:35:11 PM PST by wintertime (Good ideas win! Why? Because people are not stupid.)
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To: wintertime

We started a Christian school in our little church in the middle of nowhere with 13 kids. We’ve had as many as 100, but it’s costly. We have decided, once again, to try and figure out a way that any child who wants a christian education can go to our school. It’s tough though making ends meet. Our teachers are dedicated and not at all well paid. The classes are small and it’s just a wonderful place to learn. I wish I could convince my son to send his daughter there. I’d even help pay for it. Sigh.


30 posted on 12/19/2007 3:37:28 PM PST by Marysecretary (GOD IS STILL IN CONTROL.)
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To: Marysecretary
Mary,

Have you considered scrapping the idea of brick and mortar schools? What we considered the typical school today was build on the Prussian military model.

With today’s technology, it is possible to have small “one-room-school houses” in the homes of church members. Teachers could be facilitators and resource people and far fewer formally educated teachers would be needed. This could be a tremendous cost savings for the congregation and the parent.

31 posted on 12/19/2007 3:42:14 PM PST by wintertime (Good ideas win! Why? Because people are not stupid.)
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To: Antoninus
If enough of us get out, we can also form a political bloc powerful enough to confront the NEA and get back our local taxes that are currently being paid to indoctrinate other people’s kids into secular humanist christophobes.

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When Christian teachers are addicted to the government pay check, they become part of the problem and hinder the only solution possible: Getting Christian kids out!

I believe that we don’t have a stronger Christian system of schools precisely because there are so many Christian government teachers sitting in the pews. The ministers are afraid to offend them. ( Follow the money!)

32 posted on 12/19/2007 3:45:01 PM PST by wintertime (Good ideas win! Why? Because people are not stupid.)
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To: bannie

It was fine to mention my public school training. I get lazy with shorthand at FR.


33 posted on 12/19/2007 3:52:00 PM PST by Goreknowshowtocheat
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To: Goreknowshowtocheat

Do you home school?


34 posted on 12/19/2007 3:56:31 PM PST by bannie
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To: bannie

I am getting out of the kid business in June 08. Number 6 graduates from Catholic High School. She is the last one.


35 posted on 12/19/2007 3:58:06 PM PST by Goreknowshowtocheat
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To: Goreknowshowtocheat

It’s good to hire teachers...especially conservative teachers.


36 posted on 12/19/2007 4:00:32 PM PST by bannie
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To: wintertime

Christian teachers let the Lord, not a presumptuous Freeper, direct your actions.


37 posted on 12/19/2007 4:01:58 PM PST by Zechariah11
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To: wintertime

bookmark bump...


38 posted on 12/19/2007 4:05:23 PM PST by LearnsFromMistakes (Member VRWC - Volvo-owning right-wing conspiracy.)
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To: bannie

We found that public schools were too arrogant to respond to our concerns. They never returned calls. So, we used private schools for all the children. It was not cheap. But, it was well worth it.


39 posted on 12/19/2007 4:05:37 PM PST by Goreknowshowtocheat
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To: Goreknowshowtocheat

Private schools can maintain discipline and can work toward doing the best for each student instead of having to Leave No Child Behind. Good call!


40 posted on 12/19/2007 4:07:48 PM PST by bannie
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To: wintertime

“”In 2002 the SBC’s Council on Family Life reported that roughly 88% of our children leave the church within 2 years after graduating from high school.”

Maybe they moved...

“Research by Dr. Brian Ray, founder of NHERI, found that 94% of all homeschooled children retained their faith into adulthood.”

These stats are incongruous...


41 posted on 12/19/2007 4:11:14 PM PST by dakine
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To: Antoninus
If enough of us get out

So, I take it, you are a Christian teacher who has been working in public schools.

42 posted on 12/19/2007 4:14:26 PM PST by Zechariah11
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To: wintertime
Good post.

It's worth noting that Catholics in this country already exposed all the flaws of this country's public school system more than a hundred years ago.

43 posted on 12/19/2007 4:22:27 PM PST by Alberta's Child (I'm out on the outskirts of nowhere . . . with ghosts on my trail, chasing me there.)
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To: Alberta's Child
It's worth noting that Catholics in this country already exposed all the flaws of this country's public school system more than a hundred years ago.

How so?
44 posted on 12/19/2007 4:29:46 PM PST by fr_freak
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To: bannie
I try to only mention such things when the subject is “homeschooling.”

I would bet money that 9/10 public school teachers would fare no better with their grammar, and that includes the English teachers.
45 posted on 12/19/2007 4:31:23 PM PST by fr_freak
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To: fr_freak
The Catholic school system was established in this country in the late 19th century -- specifically to remove Catholic children from the influences of public education.

Nothing's really changed since then, eh?

46 posted on 12/19/2007 4:39:53 PM PST by Alberta's Child (I'm out on the outskirts of nowhere . . . with ghosts on my trail, chasing me there.)
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To: wintertime
I'm taking a very early retirement this year to move overseas and teach students who want to learn and have parents who emphasize the importance of education.

I hate to say I am giving up on the US education system but it does seem hopeless.

47 posted on 12/19/2007 4:44:47 PM PST by WesternPacific
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To: wintertime

Teaching in a public school is a sin? Alriiiiiiiighty then. I think I’ll jump off of this discussion at this point. Our views are just too divergent to find the common ground to even disagree.


48 posted on 12/19/2007 4:44:53 PM PST by Melas (Offending stupid people since 1963)
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To: wintertime
wintertime,

Each individual should follow the leading of the Lord as to the course and direction of his life. That leading should only be by the Holy Spirit in conjunction with one's knowledge of the Word. Perhaps there will be a time when the Spirit of God leads all believers, teachers and students, to leave the public schools, but it is presumptuous for one believer to tell another believer what God's directive will is.

Even the great reformer, Luther, worked within the very evil and apostate Catholic Church until circumstances forced him out. That brings up another issue. Should an Evangelical believer work at a Catholic school which has chapel services teaching doctrines pernicious to his fundamental faith? Oddly enough, I believe the answer is yes -- if the Spirit guides the believer in that direction..

Will you broaden the scope of what you are asking of believing teachers to include an injunction for believers to leave all lines of work involving businesses which have policies that are secular-liberal or to the left (eg. Apple, Oracle, Disney, Fortune 500).

49 posted on 12/19/2007 4:53:46 PM PST by Zechariah11
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To: wintertime

From what I have observed, Christians aren’t tolerated very well in public schools, being that the majority of the administrators and other teachers tend to be politically correct left-leaning liberals. They don’t tolerate down to earth people very well. The Christian Teachers tend to get weeded out early in their careers as a result.


50 posted on 12/19/2007 4:57:59 PM PST by rodeo-mamma
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