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Inside the Ring("Charlie Wilson's War" More Leftist Revisionist History)
The Washington Times ^ | December 21, 2007 | Bill Gertz

Posted on 12/22/2007 10:16:52 PM PST by kellynla

Conservative officials who served in the Reagan administration are upset by the left-wing slant of the new movie about the covert action program that helped Afghan guerrillas defeat the Soviet army during the 1980s.

"Charlie Wilson's War," out Friday, is based on a book about former Rep. Charles Wilson, Texas Democrat, known widely on Capitol Hill during his tenure as "Good Time Charlie" and who helped fund the semi-secret war that ultimately helped fell the Soviet Union.

The Reagan-era officials said the movie promotes the left-wing myth that the CIA-led operation funded Osama bin Laden and al Qaeda and ultimately produced the attacks of September 11, 2001.

Bin Laden, the officials said, never got CIA funding or weapons, and was not directly involved in Islamist extremist activities until years after the Afghan operation ended after the withdrawal of Soviet troops in 1989.

That anti-American aspect of the film, namely that the Afghan operation ultimately caused the September 11 attacks, reportedly was altered after protests from Mr. Wilson and his former fiancee, Joanne Herring.

(Excerpt) Read more at washingtontimes.com ...


TOPICS: Extended News; Foreign Affairs; Government
KEYWORDS: afghanistan; charliewilson; charliewilsonswar; gertz; hollywoodleft; moviereview; sovietunion; war
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To: Clemenza
Philip Seymour Hoffman (who is rapidly emerging as my favorite actor out there, along with Javier Bardem) steals every scene he is in.

PSH is emerging as the Dustin Hoffman of his (my) generation. He doesn't have leading-man looks, but he has the acting chops to make any role a tour de force. He's a perfect everyman.

61 posted on 12/23/2007 3:32:00 PM PST by ReignOfError
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To: ReignOfError
Correct. Also have to respect a guy who doesn't exactly hit the gym on a regular basis, but still gets plenty of time in front of the camera due to his talents.

He has come A LONG way from screaming like an idiot in "Twister", although even as far back as "Scent of a Woman", he was far superior to anyone else in that film barring Pacino (who, IMHO, overplayed it).

62 posted on 12/23/2007 3:36:00 PM PST by Clemenza (I NO Heart Huckabee)
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To: Clemenza

I’m not giving my hard-earned money to some Leftist propaganda, thank you!

I’d rather spend the p.m. reading one of Ann Coulter’s books or God forbid, gasp! the Bible! :-]

Like I said earlier, the Leftists haven’t had a war hero since WWII, so they have to manufacture them as they go. LOL


63 posted on 12/23/2007 3:39:41 PM PST by kellynla (Freedom of speech makes it easier to spot the idiots! Semper Fi!)
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To: Recon Dad; flattorney

Thanks for pointing out the “Yellow-Dog Democrats” from the South. Party was not as important as the view on communists; you wanted to kill them or you thought the balance of power restrained American “excess”.

Charlie set up the most improbable alliances to get a supply route into Afghanistan. Transit times were very long. Naturally, it was hard to turn off the spigot and arms continued to pour into the country after the Soviet withdrawal. Charlie worked hard to replace the cargo with humanitarian aid and was somewhat successful. I’m not sure whether the Iran-Iraq war or the Clintons ended humanitarian efforts. But I do know the Clintons broke off relations with Pakistan soon after being elected. They disapproved of dealing with dictators or furthering the success of an American intervention.

One other important point made in the movie was that the Afghans didn’t really realize that Americans were behind their conquest because no American weapons were delivered and the affair was covert. We got no credit for liberating them. In the book, the mujahedeen were so deluded they thought they had defeated one Satan all on their own and would certainly be able to defeat the “Great Satan”.


64 posted on 12/23/2007 3:48:12 PM PST by bukkdems (Muslims, not rednecks, marry first cousins. http://www.consang.net/index.php/Global_prevalence)
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To: Clemenza

That would be a No on both counts. Though it’s good to know that Lumet is still at it. The NYPD and NY District Attorney must hate him with a passion! He’s been flogging the NY Justice System corruption material for 50 years!


65 posted on 12/23/2007 3:48:36 PM PST by Borges
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To: Clemenza
I just saw it last night.

I have to laugh, - Amy Adams ("Enchanted") actually has more screen time than Julia Roberts.

Emily Blunt was wasted in what was nothing more than a cameo role. I think she probably had a bigger part but most of her performance wound up on the cutting room floor.

66 posted on 12/23/2007 3:58:20 PM PST by Cyropaedia ("Virtue cannot separate itself from reality without becoming a principal of evil...".)
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To: Borges

Let’s just say that he’s likely not on Henry Morganthau’s Holiday Card list. ;-)


67 posted on 12/23/2007 3:58:50 PM PST by Clemenza (I NO Heart Huckabee)
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To: GOPyouth
I would recommend seeing it, just for the humor between Wilson and the CIA agent.

Both of those guys (Tom Hanks and Phillip Seymour Hoffman) were great and had fantastic chemistry. The scene of the first meeting was one of the best I've seen in any movie...imagine Preston Sturges directing a modern spy movie.

68 posted on 12/23/2007 4:22:43 PM PST by murdoog
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To: bukkdems
In the book, the mujahedeen were so deluded they thought they had defeated one Satan all on their own and would certainly be able to defeat the “Great Satan

I too believe one of the major after effects, or unintended consequences was after giving them the means to defeat the Soviets they believed they did it on their own. You wonder where they think the Stinger came from...Allah?

Just as an after thought, at least the shelf life on the Stingers was short so we didn’t have to face them in 2002. I guess they don’t do well sitting in a cave for long periods of time.

69 posted on 12/23/2007 5:27:11 PM PST by Recon Dad (Marine Spec Ops Dad)
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To: chronic cough 420
Last time I checked, we chose Saddam and Osama over the Russians in the 80's and it didn't work out too bad geopolitically.

I don't know where you 'checked,' but we 'chose' neither of them.

70 posted on 12/23/2007 5:30:16 PM PST by Ditto (Global Warming: The 21st Century's Snake Oil)
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To: purpleraine

I agree! I saw the movie today and thought it was great! I would certainly reccommend it. There was nothing there that was anti American. And yes, Charlie Wilson was. by Texas standards, a Liberal but today he would be considered a strong Conservative by National standards.
A Zell Miller type albeit a party’in SOB!


71 posted on 12/23/2007 6:15:20 PM PST by BnBlFlag (Deo Vindice/Semper Fidelis "Ya gotta saddle up your boys; Ya gotta draw a hard line")
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To: Clemenza
Charlie Wilson’s War—and Ours
72 posted on 12/23/2007 6:40:12 PM PST by neverdem (Call talk radio. We need a Constitutional Amendment for Congressional term limits. Let's Roll!)
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To: chronic cough 420
I didn’t want to pile on as I saw that others have already disputed your statement but I wanted to highly recommend the book “The Looming Tower”. It pretty much describes the foundation and building of Al-Queda. In the Pulitzer prize winning book you will read how Osama and his buddies were basically a joke to the US-supported Afghan Mujahideen who were doing the real work when the fighting was at its worst. Osama’s Arab (non-Afghan) group only started to become *somewhat* effective at fighting after the war was basically won and the Soviets were trying to get out. It’s a liberal myth that we “made” Osama Bin Laden in Afghanistan.
73 posted on 12/26/2007 10:51:58 AM PST by Gator101 (Don't tase me, Bro!)
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To: Recon Dad

I haven’t seen the film so it’s a little unfair for me to say this. None the less, it seems to me the movie gives a person other than Reagan the credit for defeating the U.S.S.R. in Afghanistan. It is further implied that this is the true reason why the U.S.S.R. fell, or at the very least got the ball rolling towards the inevitable.

Why is it that folks seem so enamoured with ‘the story’ that they fail to miss the propagandist motives of the movie industry, to the obvious motive of downplaying Reagan’s defeat of the U.S.S.R. and the winning of the Cold War?

Am I off point here?

If not, then going to see this movie and support those who made it, is simply aiding the enemies of our cause. I don’t see this story as morally neutral, or even remotely entertaining, of course unless you love seeing lies told at the expense of conservatism’s leading iconic figure.


74 posted on 12/28/2007 10:52:59 AM PST by DoughtyOne (< fence >< sound immigration policies >< /weasles >< /RINOs >< /Reagan wannabees that are liberal >)
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To: DoughtyOne
None the less, it seems to me the movie gives a person other than Reagan the credit for defeating the U.S.S.R. in Afghanistan.

I too feel Reagan deserves most of the credit for the downfall of the Soviet Union. Unlike most leaders Reagan communicated a vision without getting bogged down in details where others lose their way. I would say the same thing about President Bush. I may find fault with the tactical methods, but big picture I like Bush.
As to Charlie Wilson, he found a cause that was being just about completely ignored by Carter, Democrats and Republicans. Charlie wanted to kill Communists as a payback for Vietnam. Circumstances put him together with people to move this forward and by the time it was ramped up everyone was on board. It’s the story of a one man foreign policy stirring a government.
Forget the part about Charlie Wilson was the reason the Soviet Empire fell, it was coming apart at the seams and just needed a little help.
Don’t see the movie, but read the book and then let me know if you feel the same way.

75 posted on 12/28/2007 11:28:41 AM PST by Recon Dad (Marine Spec Ops Dad)
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To: Recon Dad

Thanks for the comments. I appreciate it.


76 posted on 12/28/2007 11:34:20 AM PST by DoughtyOne (< fence >< sound immigration policies >< /weasles >< /RINOs >< /Reagan wannabees that are liberal >)
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