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Unthinkable? Think tank sees Israel, not Iran, surviving a Mideast nuclear war
Worldtribune.com ^ | December 20, 2007

Posted on 12/26/2007 8:51:20 AM PST by BradtotheBone

WASHINGTON — Iran could sustain up to 28 million and Israel 800,000 casualties in a nuclear war between the two countries.

A report by the Center for Strategic and International Studies envisioned a nuclear missile war between Iran and Israel that would last 21 days. Authored by former Defense Department strategist Anthony Cordesman, the report said Israel could conceivably survive a nuclear war, but Iran would not. "Iranian recovery is not possible in the normal sense of the term," the report, entitled "Iran, Israel and Nuclear War," said. "Israeli recovery [is] theoretically possible in population and economic terms."

The report was released on Nov. 19 amid Iranian threats to destroy the Jewish state. Cordesman said Israel could cause tremendous damage to Iran because of its much more powerful nuclear weapons. "Israel and U.S. capability to preempt is factor, but main issue may be Israel's ability to clearly develop mutual assured destruction and U.S. capability to deploy credible level of extended deterrence," the report said.

Israel has produced nuclear weapons with a yield of one megaton, the report said. In contrast, Iran would be unable to assemble a weapon of more than 100 kilotons.

A megaton weapon could inflict third-degree burns at three times the radius, and radiation fallout could kill others at a distance of 130 kilometers. A 100 kiloton bomb could result in casualties within a radius of 13 kilometers.

The report expressed confidence in Israeli missile defense capabilities. Cordesman said most Iranian nuclear missiles could be intercepted by the Israeli-origin Arrow-2 missile defense system, bolstered by the U.S-origin PAC-2 Guided Enhanced Missile Plus.

The report envisions a war between 2010 and 2020, when Iran was expected to acquire an arsenal of up to 30 nuclear warheads. Cordesman expected Israel to have more than 200 nuclear warheads, launched by ground- and sea-based systems.

"Prevention [of Iran's nuclear weapons] may stimulate massive covert, dispersed effort," the report said. "Preemption becomes radically different once Iran has nuclear armed force."

Cordesman expects Syria, albeit without nuclear weapons, to join any war. The report envisions Syria firing chemical and other nonconventional weapons that could kill up to 800,000 Israelis. For its part, Syria could lose 18 million in an Israeli nuclear retaliation.

Egypt could also join an Iranian war against Israel. The report expected Israel to retaliate by firing nuclear missiles toward Alexandria, Aswan, Cairo and other cities. Cordesman said Egypt's Suez Canal and Aswan Dam would be destroyed.

"Rational actors do not fight nuclear wars, but history is not written about rational actors behaving in a rational manner," the report said.


TOPICS: Foreign Affairs; Israel
KEYWORDS: iran; israel; nukes
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To: BradtotheBone

Isn’t Tony Cordesman the guy that claimed ‘we won’t take Kabul for at least six months’ only to see Kabul fall about 72 hours later?


21 posted on 12/26/2007 9:59:34 AM PST by Badeye (The two “no” votes were cast by Ron Paul and leftwing nut Dennis Kucinich.)
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To: gondramB
My guess is that Israel would do some kind of preemptive strike if they had even a hint that they were about to be nuked. No one in the Israeli leadership (no matter what party) would even think otherwise given what the aftermath of nuke strike would be, even if they were considered to “win”. I suspect the leaders of other countries know this and that makes for some interesting politics. Wild card is Iran with a leadership that’s not necessarily rational.
22 posted on 12/26/2007 10:05:48 AM PST by nomorelurker (keep flogging them till morale improves)
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To: xjcsa
And is there a Roman nation, a Roman nation recognized by the UN, say?
23 posted on 12/26/2007 10:09:07 AM PST by elhombrelibre (GEN Petraeus is MAN of the YEAR. Ron Paul is the Jane Fonda of the year.)
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To: BradtotheBone

I would say let ‘em wipe each other out, but I couldn’t afford $10.00 / gallon gas.


24 posted on 12/26/2007 10:09:11 AM PST by NY.SS-Bar9 (DR #1692)
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To: elhombrelibre
And is there a Roman nation, a Roman nation recognized by the UN, say?

Yep. So what?

25 posted on 12/26/2007 10:19:02 AM PST by xjcsa (Defenseless enemies are fun.)
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To: F15Eagle
The 70A.D. Diaspora was predicted in the New Testament

That's a bit of an understatement: it's anticipated and expected throughout the entire New Testament. What do you think Matthew 24 is all about? (Hint: verse 34 is important!)

26 posted on 12/26/2007 10:20:56 AM PST by xjcsa (Defenseless enemies are fun.)
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To: Badeye
Isn’t Tony Cordesman the guy that claimed ‘we won’t take Kabul for at least six months’ only to see Kabul fall about 72 hours later?

Yes one and the same. Cordesman is the Dick Morris of the military analyst set.

Regards

27 posted on 12/26/2007 10:22:18 AM PST by ARE SOLE (Agents Ramos and Campean are in prison at this very moment.. (A "Concerned Citizen".)
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To: BradtotheBone
"Rational actors do not fight nuclear wars, but history is not written about rational actors behaving in a rational manner..."

Well, duh, Captain Obvious.

29 posted on 12/26/2007 10:46:38 AM PST by Noumenon (Liberalism itself is a hate crime)
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To: F15Eagle
Matthew 24 covers many periods of time, including not only the Diaspora but also the Great Tribulation.

All of which - see verse 34 - were to happen during that generation. Either they did, or Jesus was wrong. Hint: Jesus is never wrong.

30 posted on 12/26/2007 11:09:41 AM PST by xjcsa (Defenseless enemies are fun.)
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To: BradtotheBone

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31 posted on 12/26/2007 11:11:15 AM PST by Kevmo (We should withdraw from Iraq — via Tehran. And Duncan Hunter is just the man to get that job done.)
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To: Rockingham

It all seems believable except the part about 21 days. I just don’t think it would last that long.


33 posted on 12/26/2007 11:36:03 AM PST by isrul
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34 posted on 12/26/2007 12:11:01 PM PST by SJackson (America...thru dissent and protest lost the ability to mobilize a will to win, Col Bui Tin, PAVN)
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To: xjcsa
The word for "generation," genea, primarily has the idea of begetting, as in a family. It's use as a marker of time is actually only its secondary definition. See Thayer's discussion here.

Yeshua was actually punning, speaking of both the judgment in His day and the eschatological Second Coming at the same time. It's a common motif in Biblical prophecy.

35 posted on 12/26/2007 12:43:44 PM PST by Buggman (HebrewRoot.com - Baruch haBa b'Shem ADONAI!)
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To: Buggman

Whatever dance you have to do to avoid the obvious meaning, I guess.


36 posted on 12/26/2007 12:50:08 PM PST by xjcsa (Defenseless enemies are fun.)
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To: F15Eagle
I’m sorry, I don’t agree with the preterist view, no offense.

But, we’ll see how things play out. :)

No offense taken; I've only held that view for a couple years myself, and it took me several years to become convinced, so I can't really blame people who disagree with me.

37 posted on 12/26/2007 12:51:59 PM PST by xjcsa (Defenseless enemies are fun.)
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To: xjcsa

Concerning vs. 34 of Matthew 24. “This generation” refers to those living when the things of Matthew 24 take place. I place emphasis on verses 26-31 and those have not occured.


38 posted on 12/26/2007 12:55:41 PM PST by 444Flyer (NEVER take a "mark" to "buy or sell"!Rev 13:16-18,John 3:1-36, Eph 6, Rev 12:11, Jer 29:13-14)
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To: 444Flyer
Concerning vs. 34 of Matthew 24. “This generation” refers to those living when the things of Matthew 24 take place. I place emphasis on verses 26-31 and those have not occured.

Such an interpretation renders the verse meaningless, distorts the obvious intent of his words (spoken to a specific audience - hint: not us), and is the usual contortion used to fit the passage into a preconceived mold.

And merely stating that the events of verses 26 to 31 have not occurred is not the same as demonstrating that they have not. I'd state that occurred during that generation, just as Jesus said they would.

Just my opinion :)

40 posted on 12/26/2007 1:01:35 PM PST by xjcsa (Defenseless enemies are fun.)
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