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Mystery Container Washes Up On Scottish Beach
BBC News ^ | 29 Dec 2007 | BBC

Posted on 12/29/2007 4:27:35 PM PST by af_vet_rr

Experts are trying to identify a huge metal container that has been washed up on a beach in the Western Isles.

The tank, which is 27m high, has no markings and is thought to have fallen from a ship before being washed up on the west of Benbecula.

It was discovered by a dog walker on Poll Na Crann beach - known locally as Stinky Bay - near Griminish.

Stornoway Coastguard is using two numbers on the container to try to find out where the item has come from.

Alasdair MacEachen, assistant director of environmental services at Comhairle nan Eilean Siar told BBC Scotland: "It's certainly generated a fair bit of interest with people walking on the beach or just travelling along the road, because you can actually see it from the main road along the west side of Benbecula.

"It would be standing almost 30m tall and really looks pretty much like a silo. I think it's a bulk storage tank of some sort, possibly for storing some liquids."

(Excerpt) Read more at news.bbc.co.uk ...


TOPICS: Foreign Affairs; News/Current Events; United Kingdom
KEYWORDS: container; hebrides; mystery; scotland; silo
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To: org.whodat

Pssst,..somebody tell Al Gore a supertanker pulled the drain plug out of the Atlantic Ocean, so now all the calculations they have on global warming causing the ocean to rise aren’t gonna be measurable...


121 posted on 12/29/2007 8:03:43 PM PST by Cvengr (Every believer is a grenade. Arrogance is the grenade pin. Pull the pin and fragment your life.)
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To: 2111USMC
I’ll bet you get lonely at times considering you’re the one and only Freeper supporting Paul

Hardly.

122 posted on 12/29/2007 8:04:14 PM PST by DeaconBenjamin
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To: af_vet_rr

I thought John Kerry will be crawling out of there by now.


123 posted on 12/29/2007 8:04:52 PM PST by stbdside
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To: Billthedrill
It’s just another Nazi moon rocket.

No no no, it's either one half of Madonna's brassiere or it's an irish liquor bottle that escaped. One way to tell would be to have a picture of the other end. If there is writing that states, 'Open other end', that's what's on the bottom of all irish liquor bottles.

124 posted on 12/29/2007 8:08:22 PM PST by eldoradude (Think for yourself!)
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To: af_vet_rr

Deep sea oil platform filtration rigs are this big and bigger


Or a natural gas filtering system sweet gas charge tower

125 posted on 12/29/2007 8:16:26 PM PST by ATOMIC_PUNK (Global Warming : A perpetuation of Lies Levied onto sheep to give up their Fleece)
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To: af_vet_rr

Did they try knocking or yelling at it?


126 posted on 12/29/2007 8:20:52 PM PST by Hillarys Gate Cult (The man who said "there's no such thing as a stupid question" has never talked to Helen Thomas.)
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To: af_vet_rr
Hoplite's Whiskey vat being filled in Oban, Scotland.
(2 weeks ago.)
Hoplite's Whiskey vat departs, enroute to Hoplite.
(1 week ago.)
This can't be happening.
It's not fair.
Please don't let it all be gone!
<Sniff!>
Ah well. There's always next year.

127 posted on 12/29/2007 8:22:56 PM PST by Hoplite
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To: TheThirdRuffian
"It’s a segment of the vertical portion of a windmill (the electric generating kind)."

Too big.

With exception to the flanges on the sides, I'd say it looks more like a stage off of a booster vehicle.

Notice the corregated surface (which would be unusual for a bulk silo)

Here are a few pics I found on the net:

Saturn V booster:

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Titan II (Note man standing in second pic):

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128 posted on 12/29/2007 8:32:00 PM PST by 2CAVTrooper (ron paul has lied to YOU)
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To: null and void

I am an industrial appraiser and this looks to me like a jacketed stainless steel tank, somewhere around 10,000 gallon capacity. I’ll bet somebody paid about $35,000 for this on the used market. They were probably shipping it by boat and it fell off. That would be my guess.

I would be suspicious about it though if nobody filed an insurance claim.


129 posted on 12/29/2007 9:14:00 PM PST by Inyokern
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To: null and void

I think you have a winner there.


130 posted on 12/30/2007 6:38:37 AM PST by Sacajaweau ("The Cracker" will be renamed "The Crapper")
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To: af_vet_rr
Mystery solved.

http://www.virginiaplaces.org/alcohol/beer.html

http://digg.com/odd_stuff/Mystery_container_found_on_beach

131 posted on 12/30/2007 7:32:33 AM PST by OCC
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To: Hoplite
That’s a lot of Glenlivet!

But then I imagine you get a small discount for buying in volume...

132 posted on 12/30/2007 9:02:10 AM PST by BenLurkin
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To: eldoradude
It’s just another Nazi moon rocket. No no no, it's either one half of Madonna's brassiere or it's an irish liquor bottle that escaped. One way to tell would be to have a picture of the other end. If there is writing that states, 'Open other end', that's what's on the bottom of all irish liquor bottles.

Well I posted this on another thread so why not here? Woodie Allen had the answer all along( at least in one department)(They travel in pairs). Wait for it...wait for it...

133 posted on 12/30/2007 9:14:20 AM PST by Karliner ("Things are more like they are now than they ever were before. DDE)
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To: af_vet_rr

Homer Simpson’s pig poo silo.


134 posted on 12/30/2007 9:25:21 AM PST by Alouette (Vicious Babushka)
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To: af_vet_rr
From BBC 40 minutes ago
Beach container mystery resolved



The mystery of a huge container washed up on a beach in the Western Isles has been solved.

The 27m container has been identified as a beer fermentation tank belonging to the American brewery Coors.

The container was found by a dog walker on Poll Na Crann beach - known locally as Stinky Bay - near Griminish, on west Benbecula.

Stornoway Coastguard believed it fell from a ship but said none of the tanks had been reported missing.

A number of people contacted the BBC news website with theories as to the identity of the container.

One reader thought the numbers 5580 written on the container could have meant the container was used to house the chemicals used in DTD 5580, a three-part paint scheme used for aircraft all over the world.

Another website user thought it could have been a rocket stage previously launched from the South Uist launch site.

 http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/scotland/highlands_and_islands/7165151.stm

135 posted on 12/30/2007 9:46:47 AM PST by Phsstpok (When you don't know where you are, but you don't care, you're not lost, you're exploring!)
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To: Phsstpok

Convoys of beer fermentation tanks barged on the Rappahannock River to a King George farm and then trucked to a Coors plant in Elkton drew lots of attention earlier this year. Now there's a collectible scale model of the big rigs.

http://www.fredericksburg.com/News/FLS/2006/122006/12082006/242154
136 posted on 12/30/2007 10:12:01 AM PST by stlnative
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To: OCC

Coors bump


137 posted on 12/30/2007 10:15:59 AM PST by Liberty Valance (Keep a simple manner for a happy life :o)
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To: stlnative; Phsstpok; Liberty Valance

As usual, beer is the answer to (or cause of) everything!


138 posted on 12/30/2007 10:58:43 AM PST by OCC
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To: stlnative
I didn't realize that Coors was in business anywhere in Europe.  Heck, I remember when I couldn't get one east of the Mississippi!

I did a search on coors and scotland and found this. 

Evicting the Tennent's

Source: mad.co.uk | Author: By Jim Butcher | Published: 21 April 2004 09:00

Evicting the Tennent's Carling rules the roost as the number one lager in England, having firmly established itself in the national psyche with its highly successful association with England's twin passions of music and football. But can a drink so closely associated with the Auld Enemy break down Scottish barriers to compete with firm favourite Tennent's?

Brewed in England for more than 30 years, Carling is the country's biggest-selling beer bar none. Over one billion pints of it are drunk every year, and was the first beer to achieve sales of over 4.5 million barrels per annum.

Backed by massive marketing support, responsible for producing some of the best loved ads ever to grace TV screens over the past decade, it is sold in over 36,000 pubs and clubs and accounts for one in five pints of lager sold in England. It is, to all intents and purposes, a beer monster.

But peering across the northern border it is a very different story. In fact up until a year ago, you'd have more chance seeing a Scot donning an England shirt and belting out "Three Lions" than you would a Glaswegian pub serving its southern cousins' favourite beer.

This isn't simply, as you might be led to thinking, because of the Scots' long-held disdain for their southern neighbours. They may not be first to the bar to order a Carling, this much is true, but the reason is as much to do with the brewery's conflict of interest as it is with Caledonian contempt for the Sassenachs.

The problem of introducing Carling to a highland audience stemmed from a somewhat convoluted buy-out process between rival breweries. Bass Brewers owned both Tennent Caledonian Breweries (producer of number-one Scottish lager Tennent's) and Carling Brewers, the makers of Carling, so for years it was felt that pitching the two similar medium-strength lager brands up against one another would be counter productive.

However all this changed when Belgian giant Interbrew bought Bass for £2.3 billion in the Summer of 2000. A six-month battle ensued after the Government stepped in to rule that the deal was anti-competitive on the grounds the brewer controlled 32 per cent of the market share. Interbrew successfully appealed to the High Court but was still forced to make concessions, and after much wrangling decided to give up its English operations while holding onto its business in Scotland and Northern Ireland.

This eventually led to it grudgingly ditching Carling Brewers, and selling it on to US brewer Coors at the end of 2001 for around £1.2 billion, after it beat off strong competition from Dutch-based Heineken.

So after much wheeler-dealing Carling, which had enjoyed so much success in England, finally found itself in a position with new owner Coors where it could be launched in Scotland. Coors is no stranger to what is a relatively conservative Scottish drinking market, having gained experience through a small commercial team based in Scotland who were promoting Coors Light.

Des Johnson
Des Johnson

On the 3 January 2003, Coors officially announced Carling's attack on the Scottish lager market. However certain problems remained as to how the brewer would market a lager that a significant section of Scots regarded as very much English.

Campaigns of the Nineties had focused on instilling a strong patriotic association with Carling - take the famous "bouncing bomb" campaign in the 90s, where German swimmers attempted to stop a Carling beer wrapped in a towel from reaching the sun-bed, or the "French strikers" ad where a car evaded French blockades to cross the Channel. Indeed, Carling's brand director Des Johnson admits that convincing the Scots they shouldn't be wary of the lager was considered something of a challenge.

"Those campaigns were very definitely intended to convey Britishness as opposed to Englishness," he says. "But the reality was if you put yourself in the shoes of the Scottish consumers, they perceived us as an English brand."

This isn't surprising as despite the lager generally being unavailable in Scotland, the ads were still played north of the border, at a time when English patriotism was running at fever pitch, with Euro '96 and Carling's sponsorship of the English Premiership further helping to ostracise Caledonian drinkers. "Even now many Scots still see Carling as an English brand. Our job is to position ourselves as British, not English," said Johnson.

To achieve this, Coors felt it had to strike at the heart of the Scottish mindset - and for the marketing team at Coors that translated into one thing - football. So it was that in its launch season, Carling shook up the market by announcing it was be the new shirt sponsor of Glasgow teams Celtic and Rangers in a landmark £12 million three-year deal. And in a cheeky swipe at its new rivals, Tennent's was even banned from being sold at Old Firm grounds where it had been consumed for nearly a century. The deal certainly put Carling on the map, and over the year Carling's strategy of supporting English music was also transferred across the border. Glasgow's defunct New Bedford Cinema was renovated into a Carling Academy music venue, with the city's Scottish Exhibition Conference Centre also given brand support.

Still, the marketing team have been careful not to alter the lager's brand values when promoting Carling in Scotland. "We haven't changed anything," insists Johnson, "If we had, it might have come across as pandering or being slightly disingenuous. We'd never, say, run an anti-England campaign around Euro 2004 in Scotland as it wouldn't be right - even if it did prove popular with some!"

Only a small part of Carling advertising so far has been Scotland-specific, so as to maintain the British-themed feel.

"We did some responsible drinking advertising in December, which we'll repeat in May, featuring Old Firm football coaches Martin O'Neill and Alex McLeish as spokesmen," said the brand director. "But that's been the only separate advertising we've used. Other than that our recent Carling Extra Cold work is running in both countries, as is our new 500-a-side shirts versus skins ad."

Being the largest city in Scotland, Glasgow was the natural choice to focus on campaign-wise, but it is also one of the toughest regions to crack in terms of its drinker's allegiance to Tennent's, for so long the country's dominant lager brand.

"We researched within Glasgow and Edinburgh and there are differences, but they're not as great as some might think," he reveals. "Tennent's has a much stronger appeal in Glasgow as it's a Glasgow lager, but to both groups we were seen as an English lager, for sure."

In terms of attitude towards Carling, researchers found, there was a three-way split amongst drinkers. "Around a third of people rated Carling, thought it was a decent pint, and who maybe had worked or studied in England. Thumbs up. There was another section who felt the jury was still out and didn't know enough about it, like 'I might try it, I might not'. And there was we found a third who couldn't see themselves touching it at all."

Paul Miller
Paul Miller

But such a split in views hasn't stopped Carling making decent in-roads into pubs thus far. Critically, Carling's target 18 to 24 year-old audience are the most open to trying the lager, and this has been reflected in the decision of city clubs and bars to begin selling it.

Currently, over 1000 venues sell Carling on tap, representing ten per cent of the total number of pubs and clubs in Scotland. This is no mean feat as Paul Miller, Carling sales director for Scotland, can readily testify. "We recognised that the market in Scotland was slightly different, and we were starting with a blank sheet of paper," he says.

"In the off-trade our tactics were fairly consistent with the way Coors would target in England and Wales, except in some elements of the promotional activity such as with the Old Firm sponsorship and so on."

However the on-trade sector differed significantly. For instance, Scottish brewers have tended to be more focused on directly supplied accounts. "But we're looking to build Carling as a brand in Scotland," says Miller, "to have a sales and support team regardless of whether Carling is being bought direct, through wholesalers or other third parties. It's not just about direct supply accounts."

There has also been a stringent focus on quality as Carling is introduced to each new outlet, with great efforts made to ensure that as a new entrant standards remain as high as possible.

Miller explains the danger that if a consumer buys a pint of Carling and it's not satisfactory, they won't have a benchmark for it and may never touch a drop again. But if they have a bad pint of Tennent's they'll know it's off so would simply blame it on the outlet - Carling, he says, simply doesn't have that luxury. "As a new player we've got to be adding value and raising standards," insists Miller. As a result Coors have invested heavily in its Carling support team - a technical back-up team - who provide a quarterly pro-active maintenance call, making sure everyone's comfortable serving the lager and making any technical changes or tweaks if necessary. "It really is quite a significant investment from us in an effort to raise the bar of quality. Traditionally brewers would only come out when the publican had a problem. No one else out there is offering that."

Coors realises that it must pull out all the stops to break the dominance of Interbrew and Scottish & Newcastle, which owns McEwans and Miller, the other major Scottish lager brands. The two brewers enjoy something of a duopoly, controlling as they do around 70 per cent of the market, and it's something the sales manager is looking to change.

"The brands were built around a core supply chain, successfully exploiting the routes to market," he explains. "We've taken a different route, focusing on the consumer and delivering a quality product to provide a positive choice as well as an emotional connectivity amongst consumers."

Current distribution figures are encouraging. Carling has gone from being sold in less than 30 per cent of off-trade outlets to 90 per cent in just over a year. Current Nielsen figures suggest Coors is shifting around 100 gallons per month per pub at the moment, already twice that of Stella, according to Coors.

"We've gone from a zero start to being the seventh biggest lager in Scotland within the space of a year," boasts Johnson, who says marketing spend for 2004 will be bolstered to capitalise on this year's success. Coors' near-term ambition is to take the number two slot from Miller within three to five years, with Johnson for one feeling Carling has a chance of knocking on Tennent's door within a decade.

"We're going to be giving Tennent's a good run for its money, that's for sure," says Johnson, "and that can only come through a consistent investment in the marketplace. We're certainly not in it for a big splash in year one before disappearing off into the sunset."

An interesting gauge of what challenges lie ahead for Coors will be how much extra Carling is consumed north of the border during the upcoming Euro 2004 tournament in Portugal. Scotland is staying at home after failing to qualify, but whether the England-baiting natives will be happy drinking what some might still regard as "foreign" beer whilst baying for Anglo-Saxon blood remains to be seen.

Englishman Johnson, however, remains professional to the last. "Whoever the Scots support," he muses, "be it France, Switzerland, or whoever else England has to play - they might as well do it with a Carling in their hand."


Still nothing on where the vat came from, though.  You wonder if it's one they were shipping into Scotland or England for the Carling facilities or for something new.  I also saw a more recent story that they introduced a new Ale in the Scottish market this year (New Coors ale in Scottish market), so maybe they've given up on the Carling push in Scotland that this article is talking about.

 


139 posted on 12/30/2007 11:07:34 AM PST by Phsstpok (When you don't know where you are, but you don't care, you're not lost, you're exploring!)
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To: Phsstpok

They are made in Germany - there is another thread on FR where I posted that they are made in Germany.


140 posted on 12/30/2007 11:13:04 AM PST by stlnative
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