[Eric Blair 2084]

If you click on the link, check out the new smoking ordinance in Fort Worth. Humorous that they have it on the front page as if there is an amber alert or a manhunt.

Not entirely unfair. No smoking in restaurants with chilluns. You can still smoke with fat drunken adult slobs in bars.

[PresbyRev]

BIG BROTHER has the right to your blood, your urine, your breath. We are owned by the State. If we cannot refuse consent to being physically violated by the State, we cannot be free. Dickering about eminent domain, property rights or the free market is window dressing. You and I are property, not free citizens.

[G Larry]

If they use these gestapo tactics without probable cause, I hope somebody takes the time to sue the pants off of them.

[rollo tomasi]

So the only probable cause police needs is driving at night?

I understand checks to look for PC but assuming your guilty already is opening up too many cans of worms.

[RetiredArmy]

"If you refuse to take that blood test, we are going to ask for a warrant from a magistrate and come back and take your blood,"

It is that way in Germany. When GIs got stopped by German police for possible DUI, they take you to a local medical clinic and take the blood for the test. You cannot refuse. If you do, they hold you down and take it anyway. We once had a guy punch the doctor out when he tried to take the blood. The police smashed him to the floor and beat the stew out of him. Then told the doctor to take the blood now. The doctor refused. So, the policeman took the needle and started probing the arm till he found a vein and took the blood himself. The guy's arm looked like a junkie after the cop was finished. But, they got the blood and the guy was like .25 or something over the limit.

[boop]

"Not entirely unfair. No smoking in restaurants with chilluns. You can still smoke with fat drunken adult slobs in bars."

I could live with this compromise. But some states won't let adults make this decision for themselves.

[OCCASparky]

Good luck with that conviction rate there, Fort Worth. Something about Fourth Amendment and all that, dontcha know...