Top Romney advisor tied to anonymous attacks of previous presidential primary

Palmetto Scoop ^ | December 30, 2007 | Adam

[ejonesie22]

Mitt Romney.

[ansel12]

Is Romney the only candidate with a history of arrests and run ins with the law?

[glmjr]

Saving the Republican Party

Our party can not survive unless we adhere to our basic conservative principles and nominate a person whose values lie in those principles and one that all Republicans will support.   If we fail, history will record the death of the Republican party as occurring during the caucus primaries of 2008.  This is not speculation on my part, but the opinion of many other experts in political science.  Many republicans and independents would either vote for a democrat or abstain, rather than vote for anything less than a person with "true conservative" values.

Take a closer look at the candidates

         Rudy Giuliani is intelligent and has proven himself to be capable as mayor of New York City, however Rudy is a liberal in every sense of the word.  He is pro-abortion, pro-gay, and pro-gun control.  I just can't vote for someone who "cross dresses" and marches in gay pride parades.  He is liberal, no other way to put it.  He would not represent the values of the Republican party and would not garner the support of all Republicans by any stretch of the imagination. Death of the Republican Party as we know it would occur if he was the nominee.

           Mitt Romney is sharp, intelligent and on the face seems to be a good candidate to save the party.  If you look closer you will find that in the past few years he has supported sanctuary cities for illegal aliens, supported pro-choice on the abortion issue, supported gay marriages and was elected governor of the most liberal state in the union.  Mitt's Mormon religion is not a factor and should not be a factor in America.  Mitt may have made a real change as he has stated and may have come to embrace a conservative views on the issues, but he'll have to prove it to me AND that may take years.  Mitt might be make a good president for the republican party one day, but not in 2008.  Mitt should wait a few years and give us the proof we need that in fact he is a "real conservative" as he says he is. The Republican Party would not be united behind Mitt in 2008, due to  his religion.  This is a shame , but a fact.  We would loose to the Democrats in 2008 if Mitt was nominated.

            Mike Huckabee is a good speaker, probably a nice guy and I'm sure an excellent preacher.  Mike is conservative on only two issues, abortion and marriage. He is a populist liberal on all other important issues.  His popularity  base is evangelicals who can't seem to separate religion from electing the leader of the free world.  .  He was even endorsed by the Democratic governor of Ohio, who said that he reflected Democratic liberal views as well as the other Democratic candidates.  He has even went so far as to criticize  President Bush, calling his foreign policy "bunker mentality".  Huckabee is a Democrat running as a republican, no other way to put it.  He would divide the republican party and cause a division from which we could not recover.  He is more dangerous to the republican party than having a democrat elected.  Probably the most dangerous thing about Huckabee is his naivetie on how to deal  foreign policy and the threats facing our nation today.  To put it bluntly, he is ignorant on foreign affairs and the part the United States plays as being the premier world superpower and bastion of freedom.  Death of the Republican Party as we know it would occur if he was the nominee.

        John McCain is a true American hero and I honor and respect him for all he has given in the service of his country during the Viet Nam war.  John is a conservative on most issues, but John tends to flip -flop on the issues.  Last year he and the despicable Edward Kennedy were two of the main players in the Amnesty Bill that Pres. Bush was pushing down the throats of the American people.  Thank God the people spoke up and the bill was defeated.  If McCain was the nominated and elected I have no doubts that he would revive that very bill and the next time it may pass.  I don't trust him to stop illegal immigration and therefore he gets "thumbs down" from me.  He also tends to be a little "hot headed" at times.  I'm not sure we need an emotional "hot head" with his finger on the button, if you know what I mean.  The Republican party would not unite behind McCain due to a lack of trust.  We would  loose to the Democrats in 2008 .

         Ron Paul...can you say "nut case"....Ron has a libiterian view of what the world and the US should be like.  He is so far off having "true conservative" values, he is not worth discussion.  The fringe radicals seem to like his message , much the way people who bought in to Ross Perot did some years ago.  Ron's idea of US foreign policy is for the US to withdraw from everywhere and become an isolationist country and "everybody would leave us alone"  Total BS.  Ron could not unite the party, in fact he would cause a split.  Death of the Republican Party as we know it would occur if he was the nominee.

           Duncan Hunter..... A "true conservative" in every sense of the word.  Duncan is strong on all conservative issues, especially illegal immigration.  Duncan could unite the party behind him.  Our party would have someone that all republicans could support.  The liberal media has failed to get behind Duncan, which is what should be expected.  They would prefer a republican candidate , like Huckabee, which would divide our party and be easier for the democrats to defeat next November.  Duncan gets a   "thumbs up" from me.

       Fred Thompson.  Fred is the only candidate that is conservative on all issues.  He is a Federalist, meaning that he is a supporter of states rights and less government.  Fred is the candidate that there are absolutely no negatives.  He has never flipped his position on any issue.  Fred is the one candidate that would appeal to every Republican.  Ron Paul supporters might be the exception, but most of them are libertarian and nothing short of a revolutionary would please them anyway.  Fred is for lower taxes, stronger military, anti abortion, anti gay-marriage, stopping illegal immigration and less government involvement in our lives, all main stay issues of the Republican Party.  Fred is the only candidate in the list that could unite the party and defeat the democrats in 2008.

 

Just the Facts... check them out for yourself.  America awaits your decision.

[TheThirdRuffian]

The mormon worship centers (churches? temples?) are similiar to “black” churches in that they turn all their resources and organization behind their given candidate.

Here, mormons for Romney from the pulpit.

And they call us bigots!

[RatsDawg]

“I see no mention in your article about the fact that the Thompson campaign hired a well known critic of the LDS church to run his campaign”

Never heard this one before, do you have a link?

[KC_Conspirator]

This does not make any sense. That push poll, which I believe Huckabee was behind, drove Romney's numbers into the dirt. Only after playing hardball has he gotten back into the Iowa race.

The fact that there are associations between polling firms and campaigns in the DC area is not incriminating in the least bit. Its damn near incestous here in the area when it comes to money and politics.

[Reaganesque]

Again, this is speculation and nothing more but that's the point. If you're going to unfairly speculate about one candidate, why not the others?

Link

[Titus Quinctius Cincinnatus]

Amazing how Huckabee is dissed for his religion, but Romney has all of this behind him, and it’s not mentioned.

What bothers me is how disingenuous Romney is about his religious ties. He tells us how his religion shouldn't matter (and he's right on that count), but then turns around and plays the Mormon victim card every chance he gets. C'mon Mitt, either wear it on your sleeve like the Huckster does, or else shut up about it!

[SteamShovel]

Top Romney advisor tied to anonymous attacks of previous presidential primary

Buttman is back?!?

[JRochelle]

I don’t see how the Christmas cards would help Romney. They are quite different that stories about people being push-polled.
Its one thing to hear that people received calls bashing Romney’s religion, quite another to see the actual words on that card and what he believes.

Those cards are going to make people go “They actually believe that?”

[RatsDawg]

thanks.

[colorcountry]

I wish I could scan a copy of the Christmas Card I got from my LDS Bishopric. It isn’t really all that different than the “smear” Christmas card supposedly sent out to get Romney.

I guess it’s only a smear if your detractors say it.

[meandog]

....nor do you mention all the dirty tricksters Mr. McCain has employed.

Proof? Or can we just chalk this up to another "I saw my dad march with MLK"?

[esarlls3]

The mormon worship centers (churches? temples?) are similiar to “black” churches in that they turn all their resources and organization behind their given candidate.

Here, mormons for Romney from the pulpit.

The LDS Church is very strict in restricting all political speech in church meetings.

I'm a precinct chairman in the Houston, TX area. I get a chance to beg people to vote in a primary or election but can't mention candidates. A few people will contact me and ask my opinions. The LDS voter turnout is about the same as the general voter turnout.

With 22,500 members of record, about 11,000 are likely active. Of these about 6,000 would be adults. If even 50% of these came to a caucus, it would only be 3,000 voters. I think about half of that is more likely, but I've never been in Iowa. Then you have to figure how many are supporting Mitt.

I was at an LDS wedding reception this weekend and was asked about the election. My preferences matched pretty well with others at our table. Giuliani, Paul and Huckabee are not eligible due to their various policy positions. Hunter or Thompson were the first or second choice of everyone on their policy positions, but we're not seeing the ability of either of these to mount a credible campaign.

Romney is the settle-for candidate with a national presence. I don't know anyone here who has Romney as their first choice candidate. We don't agree with everything Mitt has done or with all of his current policy positions.

Texas has a late primary in early March. So we're not getting all of the TV advertizing and campaign activity that are being focused on the early states. We will wait and see how things progress until then. Perhaps some of the 'front runners' will self-destruct before then and Hunter or Thompson will rise to the top.

[ansel12]

I didn’t find any bigotry at that link, you can’t just label Christianity as bigotry because it labels Joseph Smith’s cult, a cult.

You can’t just join a cult and then label every one that is outside of it bigots, and expect the world to buy it. That is one of the methods of how all cults brainwash their members, but it doesn’t mean that it works on those outside of that group.

The Vatican, the Greek Orthodox, all the rest are in agreement on Mormonism not being Christian.

http://www.catholic.com/library/noncatholic_groups.asp

Here is Southern baptist http://www.4truth.net/site/c.hiKXLbPNLrF/b.3471385/k.6CD7/Are_Mormons_Christians.htm

Lutheran http://www.lcms.org/pages/print.asp?
NavID=12308&path=%2Fpages%2Frpage.asp&print=1

Assemblies of God http://pentecostalevangel.ag.org/Articles2002/4579_spencer.cfm

United Methodist http://archives.umc.org/umns/news_archive1999.asp?story=%7B3BE161B2-8603-4B32-A64F-0C9D2CBFAF85%7D&mid=3368

Presbyterians http://www.pcusa.org/interfaith/study/lds.htm

Here is the Greek Othodox position on mormonism as Christian.

http://www.goarch.org/en/ourfaith/articles/article7101.asp

cults in America http://www.goarch.org/en/ourfaith/articles/article7075.asp

[meandog]

A few more tidbits about McCain:

1) Graduated 99.5% percentile of his 1958 Annapolis class (fifth from the bottom). Was not tossed out because his dad and granddad were both Navy admirals. Fellow classmates describe McCain as a party animal.

TRUE! This is from Wiki: McCain was a rebellious midshipman and his career at the Naval Academy was ambivalent and lackluster.... He had his share of run-ins with the faculty and leadership; each year he was given over 100 demerits (for unshined shoes, formation faults, talking out of place, and the like, earning him membership in the "Century Club". He did not take well to those of higher rank arbitrarily wielding power of him — "It was bullshit, and I resented the hell out of it" — and would sometimes intervene when he saw it being done to others. At 5 foot 7 inches and 127 pounds, he competed as a lightweight boxer for three years, where he lacked skills but was fearless and "didn't have a reverse gear." He did well in a few subjects that he was interested in, such as English literature, history and government. Despite his low standing, he was a leader among his fellow midshipmen, especially in organizing off-Yard activities; one classmate said that "being on liberty with John McCain was like being in a train wreck."Despite his difficulties, he later wrote that he never wavered in his desire to show his father and family that he was of the same mettle as his naval forbears. Dropping out was unthinkable and so he successfully completed his training and graduated from Annapolis in 1958; he was fifth from the bottom in class rank.

2) Got into flight school because of his family legacy and destroyed 5 US aircraft making him a Viet Cong ace.

FALSE!

3) Rumored to have collaborated with his captors in the “Hanoi Hilton”.
RUMORED? Like rumored to have fathered a black child? LIE!

4) Turned on his fellow POWs when he helped kill any attempt to look for POWs still being held in Vietnam.
FALSE! The reason "remains" of POW/MIA are returned today is because of his efforts. There are no live POWs left.

5) Cheated on his first wife while she was in the hospital after a serious car accident and then later married the woman he was having an affair with.
FALSE! Carol Shepp, (a former model who was accused of the same thing in her first divorce before McCain married her was injured in the car accident while he was a POW)...and, although he admits the affair with his current wife while he was married to his first, he and his first wife are reconciled. She is fully supportive of his candidacy.

[JRochelle]

Poor Romney, always the victim.

Here is the link to the story about the Thompson person and what she said.

She was asked so she answered.

Nothing wrong with what she said. She has the RIGHT to have her own beliefs and opinions. Somehow in so many Romney supporters’ minds that makes her a bigot.

http://www.palmettoscoop.com/2007/12/05/exclusive-thompson-sc-co-chair-weighs-in-on-gop-rivals/

Oh, and she is not running his campaign.

[JRochelle]

I see you linked already.

What is so wrong about her opinions? Anyone can disagree with her if they choose. Isn’t it a free country where she can think what she wants?

[212351st]

“Wouldn’t surprise me at all, yes I think Romney would do these things.”

You need help.

Go back to DU

[HereInTheHeartland]

“You need help.

Go back to DU”

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Nice intelligent response, did Romney 2008 email that response to you?
The Romney bots are getting testy.