Posted on 01/04/2008 8:29:29 PM PST by TBP
Do you know what type of reparations Keyes suggested? Keep in mind, this was only a response to a question about reparations...not a promotion of such. His suggestion was a tax credit for two years for only those blacks that actually worked and filed with the IRS. Nothing else...period.
In the Iowa caucus there is no writing, you go to the location and they count you by group or something
From what I gather
But the Iowa Republican does it a little different in that you choose your candidate on paper and turn it in to be counted and it is over. No threshold is applied.
There are so many sources available that I'm astonsished that you've made such an ignorant request. That said, here's one:
Oh, were you under the impression that this is DUh?
Ordinarily, I extend deference to long time FReepers. In this case, I make an exception. You are without doubt an ignorant fool.
interesting the Snooze would describe the Dems caucus and not the GOP one, they also described one of the local Dem caucuses and not a GOP one.
Are you sure? It sounds like Keyes was a write-in...it’s been a while since I’ve been actively involved in politics, but even today, isn’t it labor intensive to count write-ins?
I’m assuming Tancredo was still on the ballot even though he withdrew.
OTOH, if Keyes actually was on the ballot then yes they have no excuse.
If he gets dissed by Republicans and Democrats alike, what does he expect? Nobody promises him a rose garden everytime he throw's his dunce's cap into a ring. His whining is getting redundant every election, but actually it's a calculated part of his act to stay in the public eye.
The guy has a good gig going for himself. He'll always make a buck and get paid for speeches as long as there's folks still clinging to the idea that he's the great black hope.
It's all so chic to be for Keyes every four years......and so intellectually comical.
Leni
It is curious that the Tancredo votes were counted though
I am fully aware of this, and it was racist reparations in my view. Sorry, no pass or quarter given.
*No room for limited government types in the GOP? I wonder what other *types* the neo-Republikrats don*t like? Gun owners, maybe, or pro-lifers? Anti-globalist *types*? Face it, it*s like Zell Miller stated, *I didn*t leave the party (Democratic), the Party left me.* God help us.
The opportunity to educate our Party is the gift that Dr. Keyes can bring to the table. I want to hear more about the Constitutional and historical reasons to support prolife, profamily, small government.
However, I quickly learned to dread hearing from Dr. Keyes during the Iowa debate. When he spoke, it was mostly to complain about not getting enough attention and then a second or two of gems. I love the gems, but it’s painful to suffer the dramatic sighs and complaining delays in the debates about how the Ambassador was slighted.
I do not believe that it was helpful to the causes that Dr. Keyes explains so well to join an already crowded field.
The Republican caucus format is much simpler and straight forward. Republicans have an actual one-time vote and every vote counts.
I’ve posted this many times over the last week, so I guess it won’t hurt to post it one more time. This is an abbreviated outline of the different procedures:
The DEMOCRATIC Party
Step 1 - Democratic party members will meet in one of the 1,781 precincts in Iowa, which are designated schools, public buildings, and private homes to elect caucus delegates. To determine meeting locations, individuals may contact their County Party Chair or State Party Headquarters.
Contact County Party Chairs.
Contact State Party Headquarters.
Step 2 - At the individual Democratic caucus meetings, individuals will gather in separate groups according to which candidate they are supporting. Those who are undecided will be asked to join one of the groups already formed.
Step 3 - These caucus meetings will determine the popularity of each candidate and will decide which candidates are to be retained and which are to be eliminated. Only candidates receiving 15% support from the individuals in the meeting will be eligible for the candidacy. Individuals supporting a candidate who received less than 15% support will be asked to join one of the other groups.
Step 4 - This procedure of determining the percentage of support for each candidate may take some discussion until the process of elimination leaves a handful of candidates with no less then 15% support. This number will be broken down based upon the number of delegates that this particular caucus is representing. For instance, if a caucus is heavily populated, there may be 4 or more delegates to be elected, and so a group would need 15% of the participants in that caucus in order to qualify; If a caucus is electing only 2 delegates, a group would need 25% to qualify; and if a caucus is electing only 1 delegate, a group would need 50% of the participants to qualify.
Step 5 - The results of the percentages received and the number of caucus delegates for all of the meetings held that night are reported to party headquarters. From there, the figures are tabulated to determine in rank order the candidates with the most caucus delegates. This concludes the Democratic participation in the caucuses.
Next, the Democratic party will begin the process of selecting the 56 delegates that will represent the state of Iowa.
Step 6 - After the caucuses in each county, a County Convention will be held to select the delegates for the District Convention. Again, at this level, they will use the 15% rule, which stipulates 15% of the delegates are needed in order to consider a candidate viable.
Step 7 - After the County Convention, a District Convention will be held in which all of the counties in that district will select the delegates, of which there are 29 total for the state. Again, the 15% rule to determine viable candidates will be followed.
Step 8 - The State of Iowa Democratic Convention will convene to select the delegates who will represent the candidates in the National Convention, again using the 15% rule of support. The State Convention, at this time, will prepare a total of 56 delegates for the National Convention, at which the official Presidential Candidate for the Democratic party will be decided.
The REPUBLICAN Party
Step 1 - Republican party members will meet in one of the 1,784 precincts in Iowa, which are designated schools, public buildings, and private homes to elect caucus delegates. To determine meeting locations, individuals may contact their County Party Chair or State Party Headquarters.
Contact County Party Chairs.
Contact State Party Headquarters.
Step 2 - At the individual Republican caucus meetings, a straw poll is taken by secret ballot to influence the delegate.
Step 3 - One person = one vote. The straw poll is an informal type of voting where the local votes are tabulated to gauge opinion.
Step 4 - The tabulated votes from the local precinct straw polls are sent to the state party headquarters to announce the winner of the straw poll popular vote, and hopefully influence the selection of delegates. This concludes the Republican participation in the caucuses.
Next, the Republican party will begin the process of selecting the 41 delegates that will represent the state of Iowa.
Step 5 - After the caucuses in each county, a County Convention will be held to select the delegates for the District Convention, using the influence of the straw poll as a guide.
Step 6 - After the County Convention, a District Convention will be held in which all of the counties in that political district will decide on just 3 delegates to represent each district. There are 6 districts in Iowa for a total of 18 delegates.
Step 7 - The State of Iowa Republican Convention will decide upon a total of 23 more delegates, along with the 3 additional delegates per district, for a sum total of 41 delegates who will represent the candidates in the National Convention, at which the official Presidential Candidate for the Republican party will be decided.
We Republicans do other things after the main vote. Nominate and elect precinct committee members, nominate and elect delegates, nominate and elect alternates, etc.
However, as you can see, our Presidential caucus is a straight-up honest vote.
You’re kidding, right? Under what justification should I, whose ancestors never owned slaves, should I subsidize people who have grown up in this Nation because of some of their ancestors were slaves?
One of my grandmothers was an indentured servant according to family history. What do I get?
Right How much reparation money are we talking to make him go away ?
I'm with you. Do we need to hear any more from this popeyed clown?
Contrary to previous practice, the state party issued “suggested” ballots to all precinct chairs - ballots which did not contain Alan Keyes’ name. Most precincts, from what I can gather, used them. In precincts where someone spoke up, they were allowed to write in his name.
Then, when it came time for precinct chairs to call in the results, the automated system they had set up also made no provision for reporting Keyes’ name. Ergo, not a single Keyes voted counted.
Every Keyes voter was disenfranchised in the election in several important ways.
I take it quite personally, since among the number of those who were disenfranchised is my twenty-one year daughter, voting in her first presidential election. She is quite upset that the man she respects so much, having followed him and known him since she was a little girl, is being treated in this manner. This is going to color her view of politics throughout her life. Same with my thirteen year-old junior delegate son who was present to see it all.
My eldest son, who lives in another state, is also aghast at what has happened. He’s in the National Guard, and called me from camp today to find out what in the heck is going on. Is this what he’s defending?
There’s alot more to this story - the treatment Alan has received at the hands of the party hacks has been abysmal throughout - but I’m too tired to type in all out tonight.
God, help America.
In America we strive for fairness. We want truth, even when we don't like what the truth is. When we no longer want what's fair for EVERYONE, then America ceases to be America. Ask the Chinese or Russian or North Koren of Iranian citizens? They'll explain it better than I have.
Do you mean "lose"?
No, he didn't lose to Obama. Keyes is a Republican and Obama is a Democrat. They were not running against each other, only against other members of their own party. And took place in Iowa, not Illinois.
Who won BIG in Iowa? Obama.
The same Obama that handed Alan his ass oner a junior senators seat.
He didn’t stand a chance at the presidency.
No one excluded him on purpose(well probably not) and he knows it. He doth protest to much. Keyes is just being dramatic again.
Im not even sure if he met the requirements to be in the thing.
Certainly he didn’t notice that he wasn’t listed as a candidate.
I ain’t voting for a guy who doesn’t even know if he is on the ballot.
Shouting that the republicans rigged the election against a blackman is damaging to the party and Keyes is to little of a man to understand that his actions damage his own party.
Dr. Keyes can be a great spokesman for constitutional government when he stays on message, but he would be a disaster as president.
Hopefully Iowa is tallying Keyes votes and they will announce them and Keyes will go away before that happens
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