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To: goldstategop

Obama is eminently electable. If he is an empty suit, he fooled the folks at the Harvard Law Review, the publishers and reviewers of his first book, the voters in Illinois, Iowa, and tomorrow, New Hampshire.

It is self defeating to deny obvious reality. This guy is good on his feet. Women are swooning. Youth are actually voting for the first time.

The reality is conservatives sustained a calamity in Iowa on both sides of the aisle. Obama is the rats’ most formidable potential candadate. We should fall on our knees everyday and pray for a Hillary nomination. The media will murder any Republican put up against the great black hope. No negative campaign will be tolerated.

If he is elected the media will extend the honeymoon for years. If Hillary is elected, there will be no honeymoon.

Attack Obama on policy and lack of experience (although that has not worked so far for Bitch Clinton) but spare us the bluster that Barack Obama is not the most formidable adversary we could face. He is no “empty suit” to the contrary he has keept his composure and come back from poll deficits. He is clearly charismatic and probably the best natural campainer out there.

Our party is facing a defeat in tsunami like proportions and we might not emerge from the political wilderness for a generation or at least it is too late for even a Reagen to undo the harm the liberals will do to our country. The demographics of America tell us that we might never emerge with any kind of identifiable coherent conservative philosophy. We can avert this calamity only if we rigorously face reality.

Self deception is our worst enemy.


14 posted on 01/06/2008 8:04:19 AM PST by nathanbedford ("Attack, repeat attack!" Bull Halsey)
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To: nathanbedford

You make some good points but you’re forgetting some things:

1. The RATS never have real debates so you overestimate how well MadrassaBoy will do against a Republican in a general election debate.

2. His voting record is as consistently left-wing as they come and I don’t care how many orgasms the MSM has over him, they won’t be able to cover up that record, not against a determined Republican in the general election.

3. He really is an empty suit, no matter how shiny and bright. This is not hyperbole. The guy has the brain of a scarecrow, straight out of the Wizard of Oz. Sure, he looks good now, in the eyes of an adoring press and under the spotlight of an essentially issueless RAT campaign, but in the general election, his total and complete lack of brain cells is going to be brought into stark relief.

Having said all that I do believe that the best possible outcome of the RAT nomination in terms of what’s good for our side would be for MadrassaBoy to get the largest cumulative vote total in all the primaries and yet lose the nomination to the Great ThighBeast because of the Super Delegates.

THAT is an outcome we should all be praying for.


15 posted on 01/06/2008 8:19:24 AM PST by samtheman (Fred Thompson '08)
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To: nathanbedford
I agree with most of your points. This election will not be about tangible policy positions. Most voters understand a President cannot necessarily deliver a specific platform after election.

This election will be about intangibles. A message of hope delivered by a hard-core socialist who has charisma could carry the day.

Poise under fire, demonstrated by Obama, is a stronger draw than policy experience.

Hillary is desperate to win and she shows it.

The real strength of Obama is drawing young people to the polls who have been cynically turned off by previous politicians of both parties.

An empty suit could indeed win election because the country is so evenly divided politically. The new, younger voters can certainly make the difference.

I don't believe such an outcome would be good for the country but it is a strong possibility. If Republicans ignore the strength of their opposition they will do so at their political peril as you have correctly stated.

20 posted on 01/06/2008 8:41:32 AM PST by NoControllingLegalAuthority
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To: nathanbedford

Yes, excellent post. Obama is no empty suit waiting to be demolished by any and all Republican candidates.

He will not, however, wear well. He is making claims about being an agent of both change and unity. Thus far he has not expressed anything but liberal solutions.

He may be the challenge Republicans need in order to pick a candidate.


22 posted on 01/06/2008 8:53:06 AM PST by shrinkermd
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To: nathanbedford

Great post. People who dismiss Obama forget that both John Kerry and Al Gore, eminently empty suits, came very, very close to winning.

The Republicans will be fighting heavy headwinds in November, including Bush fatigue and a weakening economy.

There will also be a well-funded, third party challenger throwing a monkey wrench into the works.

Obama has so far gone up against the best funded and organized campaign in the race and beat it handily. He has made some very wise decisions, including getting out in front of the drug use issue before the Hillary camp could use it as a dirty trick.

Obama is the new rock star of politics, and Republicans should not underestimate the appeal of that in the media age.

I do disagree that Hillary will be easy to beat, though. If she gets the nomination, I expect cheating on an unprecedented scale. She cannot win a fair fight, but it won’t be a fair fight.

Edwards is the most beatable Dem candidate by far, but I don’t see any way he gets the nomination.


23 posted on 01/06/2008 9:36:19 AM PST by LadyNavyVet
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To: nathanbedford

Those that say Hillary will win because of super-delegates need to keep this in mind......there is NOT a massive lead there right now for her.

Also, in 2004, Dean led in the super-delegate count at this time, even after losing primaries.


26 posted on 01/06/2008 10:18:05 AM PST by rwfromkansas
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To: nathanbedford
Obama is eminently electable.

All Rats are eminently electable. Look how close those empty suits of Gore and Kerry made the races. Put a D behind their name and any person has a chance.

It is self defeating to deny obvious reality. This guy is good on his feet. Women are swooning. Youth are actually voting for the first time.

What a bunch of drivel. Who came up with this line? James Carville and his triangulators?

Every election cycle new youth vote for the first time. Its a fact of life.

Every year 'women swoon'. There are a bunch swooning for Hillary right now!

The reality is conservatives sustained a calamity in Iowa on both sides of the aisle.

In a pigs eye they did.

Obama is the rats’ most formidable potential candadate.

Rubbish. That's CARVILLE speak.

We should fall on our knees everyday and pray for a Hillary nomination.

Yep, definitely CARVILLE speak.

Is there much of a difference between Hillary and Obama? Nope.

Not going to pray for her heinousness.

The media will murder any Republican put up against the great black hope. No negative campaign will be tolerated.

And it will be different against the 'great female hope'. NOPE. The media will be what they always are - against any Republican candidate.

If he is elected the media will extend the honeymoon for years.

Rubbish.

If Hillary is elected, there will be no honeymoon.

You are dreaming.

Attack Obama on policy and lack of experience (although that has not worked so far for xxxx Clinton)

It is not our time to fight the democratic party. We are still selecting our leader for the election.

but spare us the bluster that Barack Obama is not the most formidable adversary we could face. He is no “empty suit” to the contrary he has kept his composure and come back from poll deficits. He is clearly charismatic and probably the best natural campaigner out there.

I fixed your misspellings in this one. He's not. Please stop making false assertions.

Our party is facing a defeat in tsunami like proportions and we might not emerge from the political wilderness for a generation or at least it is too late for even a Reagen to undo the harm the liberals will do to our country.

ROFLOL, Now you are channeling Al. Gore. 'tsunami' like proportions? I don't think so. WE PLAN TO WIN THE GENERAL ELECTION.

The demographics of America tell us that we might never emerge with any kind of identifiable coherent conservative philosophy.

Yawn...

We can avert this calamity only if we rigorously face reality. Self deception is our worst enemy.

Oh please.

There sure seems to be a big push on this site by Democratic shills pushing this pro-Hillary line since she lost Iowa.

Why were are all supposed to DROP DOWN ON OUR KNEES AND PRAY FOR HILLARY OR THE OBAMA TSUNAMI WILL DROWN US.

Go back to your master, Carville, and stop typing GIVE US A BREAK.

That is not just NONSENSE, IT IS COMPLETE TOTAL AND UTTER NONSENSE

It is James Carville and his minions up to their old dirty tricks. The most dangerous candidate in the general elections is Hillary, by far.

27 posted on 01/06/2008 10:30:19 AM PST by Pikachu_Dad
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To: nathanbedford

I fell the same way. If I had to choose between Hitlery and Obama I would have to vote for Hitlery. Obama is so very far left he just might fall off the planet some day. He scares me. And the fact that he is black gives him protection.


29 posted on 01/06/2008 10:49:25 AM PST by red irish (Gods Children in the womb are to be loved too!)
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