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Bureaucrats Controlling Your Thermostats: The Possibility Is Real
Patterico's Pontifications ^ | Jan. 08, 2008

Posted on 01/08/2008 6:33:45 AM PST by jdm

There is an imbalance between supply and demand in energy, and some California bureaucrats are standing around wondering what to do about it.

One says: “Run commercials asking people to conserve!” This is met with general approval.

Another says: “Make homeowners install thermostats that we bureaucrats can remotely control!” More general approval.

A third says: “Raise . . . prices?”

A roomful of angry people turns on him. “Raise prices — as a way of balancing supply and demand?!?!?! What an idiot!”

That’s California in a nutshell.

It appears that proposal number two — letting bureaucrats control homeowners’ thermostats — is indeed a potential reality. Earlier today I linked an article in the American Thinker written by Joseph Somsel warning of this possibility. Our friend Bradley J. Fikes saw my post, and spent the day checking out Somsel’s allegations and writing a Big Media piece on it. Bradley’s piece begins:

California utilities would control the temperature of new homes and commercial buildings in emergencies with a radio-controlled thermostat, under a proposed state update to building energy efficiency standards.

Customers could not override the thermostats during “emergency events,” according to the proposal, part of a 236-page revision to building standards. The document is scheduled to be considered by the California Energy Commission, a state agency, on Jan. 30.

The description does not provide any exception for health or safety concerns. It also does not define what are “emergency events.”

Sweet. Big Media is good for focusing attention on outrages like this. Once people get the idea that California bureaucrats really want to control our thermostats, it will very possibly be all over talk radio. If I’m right about that, the plan will die a quick death from there.

Congratulations to Joseph and Bradley on their excellent work. I hope it bears fruit.

I get in enough fights with my wife over the thermostat. I don’t need to fight with bureaucrats too.


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Culture/Society; News/Current Events; US: California
KEYWORDS: agw; bureaucrats; communism; energy; globalwarming; greens; nannystate; thermostats
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1 posted on 01/08/2008 6:33:48 AM PST by jdm
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To: jdm

Huckabee would support that. And if he claims otherwise, then he’s a damn liar. Because you know he will. This is EXACTLY the kind of nanny-state totalitarianism that is right up his bible-socialist alley.


2 posted on 01/08/2008 6:35:53 AM PST by samtheman (Fred Thompson '08)
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To: samtheman

Yep.


3 posted on 01/08/2008 6:38:31 AM PST by jdm (A Hunter Thompson ticket would be suicide.)
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To: jdm
Lex Luthor: Bye bye California. Hello new west coast. My west coast...... Costa Del Lex. Luthorville. Marina del Lex. Otisburg - “Otisburg”?


4 posted on 01/08/2008 6:39:52 AM PST by Vaquero (" an armed society is a polite society" Heinlein "MOLON LABE!" Leonidas of Sparta)
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To: jdm
House too hot during the summer ? Put a hot burrito on the thermostat to make it think it is much warmer. House too cold during the winter, put a bag of ice on it.

Better yet, de-install the gov't thermostat once the work is finished and inspections are finished and keep it if you have to put it back such as for future work where inspection is necessary and they might decide to take a look.
5 posted on 01/08/2008 6:42:15 AM PST by CORedneck
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To: samtheman
Huckabee would support that

Yes. This is a Huckabee thread. Good work.

6 posted on 01/08/2008 6:44:38 AM PST by laotzu
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To: jdm
----the utility my folks got power from fifty years ago (an REA co-op) had a voluntary,off-peak power plan for water heaters, etc., then--

-I wonder why this isn't a good idea now in places like Commiefornia that insist on creating a power shortge??

7 posted on 01/08/2008 6:46:13 AM PST by rellimpank (--don't believe anything the MSM tells you about firearms or explosives--NRA Benefactor)
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To: Eric in the Ozarks

Nanny state ping


8 posted on 01/08/2008 6:55:01 AM PST by freespirited (Still a proud member of the Stupid Party. It beats the Evil Party any day of the week.)
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To: CORedneck
House too hot during the summer ? Put a hot burrito on the thermostat to make it think it is much warmer. House too cold during the winter, put a bag of ice on it.

After reading the therms and KWH on your PG&E bill, they would send out an inspector to "help" you. Expect fines and perhaps jail time.

I'm not kidding. They think of fines as a revenue source.

9 posted on 01/08/2008 7:02:29 AM PST by Carry_Okie (Duncan Hunter for President)
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To: jdm

There is not the technology for some of the items in the regs.
These politicians are insane.
My husband is convinced that what they are trying to do is squeeze out the individual home builder, in favor of developers who can spread the cost of these idiot regs over the cost of many buildings.


10 posted on 01/08/2008 7:03:18 AM PST by svcw (There is no plan B.)
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To: jdm

Can we isolate CA, let them have their own socialist economy, and let them trade with us as if a foreign entity?


11 posted on 01/08/2008 7:35:07 AM PST by polymuser (Happy New Year)
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To: jdm

Flee while you can to less crazy parts of the country. If you stay and pay taxes, you are facilitating the loons.


12 posted on 01/08/2008 7:37:25 AM PST by theBuckwheat
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To: jdm
Hey, Californians, noooooooooo problem.

I'm sure that these bureaucrats will do a lot of studies first and get input from experts like ASHRAE before they grab your thermostats.

Huh? No, I don't think so either ...

13 posted on 01/08/2008 8:16:15 AM PST by Condor51 (I wouldn't vote for Rooty under any circumstance -- even if Waterboarded!)
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To: jdm

The technology currently exists. Many power companies offer an “energy saver” switch which can remotely turn off your air conditioner’s compressor during peak demand times and stop your air conditioner from cooling your house. Home owners are offered small rebates on their electric bills in exchange for this shut down. I had such a switch already installed when I purchased my current home. The rebates were paltry and it actually caused my air conditioner to work harder as when the compressor was allowed back in operation the house was hot and humid and caused the compressor to work even more. I removed this switch when I installed a new high efficiency air conditioner.


14 posted on 01/08/2008 8:23:43 AM PST by The Great RJ ("Mir we bleiwen wat mir sin" or "We want to remain what we are." ..Luxembourg motto)
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To: samtheman

Huckabee would support that. And if he claims otherwise, then he’s a damn liar. Because you know he will. This is EXACTLY the kind of nanny-state totalitarianism that is right up his bible-socialist alley.

Yeah, but would Barbra? You just gotta know that big old house she has on the coast uses a lot of power to kick those million ton air conditioners on that she and her buds must have.


15 posted on 01/08/2008 10:36:46 AM PST by Bitsy
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To: jdm

Two words: Faraday cage


16 posted on 01/08/2008 1:24:16 PM PST by pabianice
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To: CORedneck
Better yet, de-install the gov't thermostat once the work is finished...

That kind of thing happens all the time, already.

I did a 500sq. ft. addition to my house a few years back, and one of the criteria to get the Building Inspector to sign off was that my new bathroom had to have a fluorescent fixture. So, I went to Home Depot and picked up the cheesiest bathroom-lookin fluorescent piece of junk I could find, brought it home and installed it.

The inspector came, looked over everything, saw that fixture, checked off the box, and signed us off.

As he was pulling away from the curb, I was back in the bathroom installing a new, three-lamp incadescent fixture that matched the rest of the decor. Then I went back to Home depot and got a refund on the fluorescent thing.

If this thermostat garbage ever gets into the code books, expect similar scenarios involving them, too. Buyers of new homes will make "Replace the thermostat" the first job they do BEFORE unpacking the boxes.

17 posted on 01/08/2008 3:57:27 PM PST by HKMk23 (AUT VINCERI AUT MORI)
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To: jdm
Next up: remotely tuning all televisions to CNN and all radios to NPR.

-PJ

18 posted on 01/08/2008 3:59:56 PM PST by Political Junkie Too (Repeal the 17th amendment -- it's the "Fairness Doctrine" for Congress!)
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To: laotzu

This subject is an example of why Huckabee is not a conservative. So it’s relevant. So I accept your praise for my “good work”.


19 posted on 01/09/2008 12:09:40 AM PST by samtheman
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To: HKMk23
An interesting item, a couple of years ago, I moved into a different house and I went through the hassles of finishing a basement and going through the permit process. I did a hand drawing, took it in, some corrections were made there and the permit was issued.

One of the things that I did was put in a finished bathroom including a shower. I got a cheap shower-head and the first thing after the inspector left is take the shower-head off, remove the water flow restrictor and put it back on.
20 posted on 01/09/2008 5:40:51 AM PST by CORedneck
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