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To: GATOR NAVY

I have been an interested observer watching how we are savaging every Republican candidate on FR. “Mc Cain is for Amnesty”; “Huckabee is a sociolist”; “Rudy is a Liberal”; “Romney is a flip flopper (Which he is). If you eliminate all of them, that leaves Fred who seems to be going out of his way to not win (He is now is S. Carolina where he might finish 3rd if he is lucky). So if you toss them all out, that leaves us with the nut Paul and Duncan Hunter who is great, but doesn’t stand a chance. So guys where do we go from here? Do we all suck our thumbs and let Barack Hussein Obama become the next President? I think we need to quit eating our own and concentrate of exorcising the real devil (Obama).


6 posted on 01/08/2008 10:28:12 AM PST by Old Retired Army Guy (tHE)
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To: Old Retired Army Guy

This is the primaries, not the general election. It’s time for us to concentrate on our own party nominee, not guess who we might be facing in the general. As such, comparing positions, values and beliefs is wholly appropriate.

If we pick a good one, the general is a whole different fight.


10 posted on 01/08/2008 10:36:53 AM PST by cinives (On some planets what I do is considered normal.)
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To: Old Retired Army Guy

I agree that we need to be careful about eating our own. However, I draw the line with McCain. I will not support or vote for him. He is not a Republican much less a conservative. I prefer Thompson but I will support Romney, Guilliani, and Huckabee. I think that we will be better in the long run with a rat rather than McCain. The conservative movement can regroup and find a future standard bearer. The rats will do tremendous damage in the mean time but McCain will simply destroy the conservative part of the Republican party.


12 posted on 01/08/2008 10:37:40 AM PST by businessprofessor
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To: Old Retired Army Guy

I respectfully disagree. The primary season is about pointing out the differences between the party candidates. Just as you believe it is a fact “Romney is a flip flopper” (and I don’t disagree) to me it is a fact McCain is for amnesty. And that is a major negative point against him. Where do we go from here? I don’t know either.


13 posted on 01/08/2008 10:39:27 AM PST by GATOR NAVY
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To: Old Retired Army Guy

The Republican Party elites are going to live in darkness for 40-years for the insult of trying to run Rudy Giuliani on us.

It’s a stain that cannot be forgot and a sure measure of their misdirection. It’s up to the elites to wake up and find a way to repair the damage.


18 posted on 01/08/2008 10:51:51 AM PST by donna (Obama is a Moslem.)
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To: Old Retired Army Guy

>>concentrate of exorcising the real devil (Obama).<<

Now is not the time to oppose Obama. He can be useful in derailing Mrs. Clinton. He is also peaking too soon. Come the general election, his inexperience and socialist ways can be illustrated.


27 posted on 01/08/2008 11:08:03 AM PST by Jeff Chandler (Hillary Clinton: Cankles, Cackle, and Cuckold.)
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To: Old Retired Army Guy
I have been an interested observer watching how we are savaging every Republican candidate on FR. “Mc Cain is for Amnesty”; “Huckabee is a sociolist”; “Rudy is a Liberal”; “Romney is a flip flopper (Which he is). If you eliminate all of them, that leaves Fred who seems to be going out of his way to not win (He is now is S. Carolina where he might finish 3rd if he is lucky). So if you toss them all out, that leaves us with the nut Paul and Duncan Hunter who is great, but doesn’t stand a chance. So guys where do we go from here?

We vote for who agree with the most. Getting behind someone because we think they can win is a losing strategy. And if you think it's not, go ask the Whigs whether or not "hold your nose and vote" candidates win.
28 posted on 01/08/2008 11:08:19 AM PST by arderkrag (Libertarian Nutcase (Political Compass Coordinates: 9.00, -2.62 - www.politicalcompass.org))
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To: Old Retired Army Guy

we vote for Romney, who at least is not insulting us with supporting the worst bill in 20 years like John McCain is.

And this Romney is a flip-flopper is way overused - they ALL spin, and in the case of McCain and Huckabee, outright lie about their positions ... and they all change positions.

Here’s McCain’s flipflops ... a sample ...

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1950208/posts?page=215#215

McCain flipped on the Bush tax cuts.
Most conservatives believe the biggest domestic success of George Bush’s first term were his tax cuts. John McCain voted against them, more than once, before finally flip-flopping and voting for them this year.

McCain flipped on gay marriage.
Voted NO on constitutional ban of same-sex marriage. (Jun 2006)
Voted YES on prohibiting same-sex marriage. (Sep 1996)

McCain flipped on ethanol.
McCain was anti-ethanol when he was skipping Iowa in 1999. In 2006 he was pro-ethanol while campaigning in Iowa . Now he’s pretty anti-ethanol again that he’s decided to bypass Iowa. (THIS ONE IS A TRUE FLIP FLOP . . . Been on both sides of the issue multiple times)

McCain flipped on Roe.
In NH in 1999 McCain told reporters that “in the short term, or even the long term, I would not support repeal of Roe v. Wade.” He explained that overturning Roe would force “women in America to [undergo] illegal and dangerous operations.” In 2006, campaigning for the GOP nomination as a conservative, McCain said the opposite.

STEPHANOPOULOS: Let me ask one question about abortion. Then I want to turn to Iraq. You’re for a constitutional amendment banning abortion, with some exceptions for life and rape and incest.

MCCAIN: Rape, incest and the life of the mother. Yes.

STEPHANOPOULOS: So is President Bush, yet that hasn’t advanced in the six years he’s been in office. What are you going to do to advance a constitutional amendment that President Bush hasn’t done?

MCCAIN: I don’t think a constitutional amendment is probably going to take place, but I do believe that it’s very likely or possible that the Supreme Court should — could overturn Roe v. Wade....”

McCain flipped on climate change:
Kyoto By Any Other Name Would Still Smell As Rotten: John McCain proposed a radical bill, the McCain-Lieberman Stewardship Act, that is not all that different from the Kyoto Protocol. McCain’s bill would do cataclysmic damage to our economy. In the name of cutting greenhouse gas emissions by an insignificant percentage, that not even the biggest proponents of Kyoto believe would have a significant impact on the weather, here’s the damage John McCain would be willing to do to our economy (from an article by Marlo Lewis in National Review).

McCain flipped on stem cells.
Initially supporting the President’s restriction as to federal funding, McCain then asked for an expansion to include wider research saying, “I believe that we need to fund this. This is a tough issue for those of us in the pro-life community. I would remind you that these stem cells are either going to be discarded or perpetually frozen. We need to do what we can to relieve human suffering. It’s a tough issue. I support federal funding.” Source: 2007 GOP primary debate, at Reagan library, hosted by MSNBC May 3, 2007

McCain signed a letter from 58 Senators to the President
“ Dear Mr. President:

We write to urge you to expand the current federal policy concerning embryonic stem cell research.


37 posted on 01/08/2008 11:19:21 AM PST by WOSG (angry old coot McCain has been a crazed and frequent backstabber of fellow Republicans)
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To: Old Retired Army Guy
If McCain, Romney, Huckabee, or Giuliani ends up as the Republican nominee, what's the point of being a Republican?

I'm not by any means a single-issue voter and have serious reservations about each of them on several major issues.

40 posted on 01/08/2008 11:22:16 AM PST by Bob
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To: Old Retired Army Guy
Whatever happened to Reagan's 11th commandment? "Thou shalt not speak ill of a fellow Republican."

One of the most enduring things about the Gipper was his positive approach. Does anyone remember? "Morning in America." "Our best days are ahead of us not behind."

Obama is perhaps the only candidate campaigning in this fashion with his "Audacity of Hope." Hillary and Bill attack him suggesting he is giving people false hope and his response is, "There is no such thing."

The person that is best at creating a positive vision of the future and getting people to believe that he can lead America there can win. If none of our canidates learns how to do this then get ready for 8 years of President Obama. Hope is always victorious.

50 posted on 01/08/2008 11:29:06 AM PST by DWar
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To: Old Retired Army Guy
If your only objection is that Romney is a flip-flopper, then you should have the same problem with Thompson.

Like Romney, he was once pro-choice and is now pro-life.

Thompson was for Amnesty as recently as early 2007; now he's not.

All politicians flip-flop. Romney's only flaw in this regard is that he doesn't do as good a job of hiding as some others.

If you examine it objectively, McCain is the biggest flip-flopper of them all. Pro-Amnesty, now not. Against the Bush tax cuts, now for them. The list goes on and on.

69 posted on 01/08/2008 12:45:34 PM PST by curiosity
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