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The plots thicken: As Roe v. Wade turns 35, some in Hollywood changing minds about "choice."
WORLD ^ | January 12, 2008 | Lynn Vincent

Posted on 01/08/2008 1:27:00 PM PST by rhema

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To: rhema
I noticed this also.

The first time was watching (of all things) the new Battlestar Galtica. Abortion, and its subsequent outlawing, was the subject of a whole episode!

A subtle shift has happened in society. Perhaps the cornered has been turned.

41 posted on 01/08/2008 5:44:18 PM PST by redgolum ("God is dead" -- Nietzsche. "Nietzsche is dead" -- God.)
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To: rhema

Trust but verify.


42 posted on 01/08/2008 5:54:11 PM PST by Aquinasfan (When you find "Sola Scriptura" in the Bible, let me know)
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To: TChris
Statements like this always bring tears... Praise be to God that more people are repenting from such a horrible, evil practice.

My oldest sister, who I never met, died in infancy. I was the second and last child that my parents had. Would I be here today if she hadn't died?

My point is that the same thing can be said about contraception, which is where the abortion mentality begins.

43 posted on 01/08/2008 5:56:52 PM PST by Aquinasfan (When you find "Sola Scriptura" in the Bible, let me know)
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To: fightinJAG

“Abortion will never again be the big political bonanza it was to the Witch’s generation. It may not go away, either, but the days of simply being able to raise the specter of abortion “rights” to get some fire in a campaign are over.”

Infanticide is going to go away eventually. And the underlying reason is fairly easy to understand: math. Or more specifically, compounding. You see, most people grow up with the attitudes and beliefs of their parents. Abolitionist (pro-life) people have children. For the most part, they pass on to their children what an abomination infanticide is. Those children go on to have children of their own. And the cycle goes on.

The pro-infanticide crowd either contracepts or aborts their children out of existence. No children means no one to carry on their ideology. This is why you see the pro-infanticide crowd taking an interest in education; in the long run the only way they can expand their numbers is through indoctrination. It’s kind of like a twisted version of the Shakers.

Eventually, the pro-death coalition is going to find it difficult to get much support in the partisan political sphere. Moral considerations aside, killing off your future constituents is just plain bad politics.


44 posted on 01/08/2008 6:03:50 PM PST by RKBA Democrat (Lord Jesus Christ, Son of God, have mercy on me, a sinner!)
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To: Aquinasfan
My point is that the same thing can be said about contraception, which is where the abortion mentality begins.

Contraception can be misused in the same way that abortion is used, to avoid responsibility, but I don't think they are necessarily on the same continuum.

Contraception isn't the taking of a life.

I have no problem with contraception if it's used to plan a family and control its growth in wisdom, rather than to prevent one.

45 posted on 01/08/2008 6:21:56 PM PST by TChris ("if somebody agrees with me 70% of the time, rather than 100%, that doesn’t make him my enemy." -RR)
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To: TASMANIANRED
"I grieve the loss of my sister, Monica that I never had the opportunity to love as my sister. I miss the jokes, the escapades, the phone calls, sharing the memories, the growing up together. I can’t imagine the loss of knowing that my Mom killed a sister or brother of mine.

We lost five babies before our two sons blessed our home. Long ago, my husband and I made five little Christmas tree ornaments in the form of butterflies - one for each baby. When our sons were old enough, they were given the honor of putting the angel butterflies on the tree every Christmas. They always take it very seriously, and many times they've wondered what their brothers and sisters would have been like, and regretted not having a family with lots of siblings. They are now 14 and 12, and both consider abortion an unthinkable abomination. I hope they will not waver from that position as they navigate their way to full adulthoood.

46 posted on 01/08/2008 7:02:10 PM PST by Think free or die
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To: CIB-173RDABN

Well that’s before my time and not something I would have caught in reruns. Sounds like pretty bad soap opera garbage and not really representative of some mainstream filmaking agenda. If you were to compile a ratio of those episodes to to episodes with a joyous delivery room scene on some other show I’m guesing it would be pretty small.


47 posted on 01/08/2008 7:59:28 PM PST by Borges
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To: rhema; wagglebee
Pinged from Terri Dailies

8mm


48 posted on 01/09/2008 4:08:54 AM PST by 8mmMauser (Jezu ufam tobie...Jesus I trust in Thee)
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To: Borges
I don't think there ever has been a golden age of pro-abortion films. There did seem to be some pro-abortion propaganda on TV in the seventies. There was the infamous Maude episode where she took advantage of New York's liberal abortion law to dispose of an unintended pregnancy. Though she at first struggled with her "choice", she eventually concluded that abortion was the logical thing to do and her daughter was the most strident character on the show, pushing abortion like it was nothing more consequential than having your tonsils removed.

Apparently soap operas in the seventies, during the years immediately post-Roe, featured a lot of abortions. From what I've been told (I never watched 'em) the woman would struggle over her "choice" but in the end decide the abortion was best for all concerned. I don't know if that still goes on today or not.

Some movies in the seventies and eighties began to drop abortions into their storylines, sort of casually. They weren't major parts of the plot. There's a scene in the movie Coma where some med students go into an operating theater to observe an operation. They're casually told it's going to be an abortion, and they don't seem to mind a bit. The woman in question decided to abort rather casually as well.

In Fast Times at Ridgemont High, one of the lead female characters gets pregnant, casually gets an abortion, and just shrugs it off. In Dirty Dancing a character gets an abortion and pays for it by lying to someone to get the money. In this case, the girl who had the abortion suffers because the abortion was botched, but since the film was set in the years before abortion was legal this was designed to make us sympathize with legality.

49 posted on 01/09/2008 4:34:37 AM PST by puroresu (Enjoy ASIAN CINEMA? See my Freeper page for recommendations (updated!).)
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To: puroresu

And Coma was written and directed by apparent conservative Michael Crichton (based on the Robin Cook novel). I don’t know anything about soap operas but the films you mentioned are decades apart in many cases. It’s not exactly a plethora. In the case of Coma (and The Cider House Rules and probably ‘Fast Times’ as well) it was a case of the source material having that material to begin with.


50 posted on 01/09/2008 7:45:16 AM PST by Borges
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To: rhema

I do think these independent films, though not “Hollywood”, are both cause and effect here. Many of the young people are repulsed by the abortion culture which earlier generations brought about and are now of an age to have some meaningful comments on that culture. The producers of these movies often speak both to and for their audiences. I’m in Nashville and so naturally I’m a songwriter but I get enormously favorable response to a song of mine called, “A Dream A Lot Like Mine” which can be heard at www.myspace.com/emmettgrayson. I was going to - and probably still will - post that as a “vanity” because I want it heard. In both movies and music, those who control production and distribution sometimes undermine or block the efforts of the artists for their own personal and/or political reasons.


51 posted on 01/09/2008 3:33:37 PM PST by Emmett McCarthy
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To: rhema
the movie industry is going out of its way to sidestep real life

What? Hollywood sidestepping real life? Say it ain't so!

And if you're a 16-year-old girl watching the movie, it shows you a different 'choice.'"

But... but... but... I thought "choice" meant "the freedom to choose" -- you know, "choose to have baby/choose to kill baby"? Oops, I guess not. I forgot. "Choice" means, "The freedom to 'choose' to kill the baby." (If you keep the baby, then you haven't "exercized your right to choose" -- you've merely "knuckled under to the chauvinist overlord antiwymmin culture" or some such twaddle.)

Later in the conversation, the woman says of abortion, "It's murder—I'm against it . . . You for it?"

"Not as a general rule," he says, referring to murder.

She presses him, "Just for unborn children?"

"Yes," he says.

Several years ago I was talking with a friend who, due to his work (substance-abuse counselor for state mental health agency) came into frequent contact with the local abortionist.

He told me how this guy made no charade of what he did. Did not try to put lipstick on the pig. Came right out with statements like, "yesterday I killed three babies" or "gotta run, need to kill another baby today."

He wasn't trying to be funny, wasn't making jokes-in-poor-taste. He was just matter-of-factly stating what he did for a living. Hey, it was legal, so what's the big deal?

Give him brownie points for "honesty"? No, I don't think so. Killing people, and then being honest about it, does not make it any better.

I don't think this character was atypical of those in the trade. I was told he eventually stopped the killings, not out of any sense of conscience or anything like that. He just got sick and tired of having people picket in front of his house, the poor dear. LOL!

52 posted on 01/09/2008 3:36:02 PM PST by Don Joe (We've traded the Rule of Law for the Law of Rule.)
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To: Secret Agent Man
All this shows is that people can intellectually admit something, yet still go through with the opposite because even though they know it’s wrong, they still do the wrong thing.

Cognitive dissonance on a cultural level, tantamount to the wholesale hypnosis of an entire society.

The implications are terrifying

53 posted on 01/09/2008 3:38:55 PM PST by Don Joe (We've traded the Rule of Law for the Law of Rule.)
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To: Mrs. Don-o
And especially in relation to abortion as a great "benefit" for poor women. They won't fight to guarantee her right to anything she actually DID want: a reasonably low-interest mortgage, a decent education so she'd be literate and employable at graduation, etc. etc.

But the one thing nobody actually wants ---a dead baby --- that they'll gurantee.

If you examine it clinically, divorced from all sentiment and emotion, the only logical conclusion is that for the left, abortion is the equivalant to deer hunting.

They began with the foundation established by Margaret Sanger, who was mainly interested in using abortion to kill off dark-skinned people, and "improved" on it, by using it to "manage the herd."

They realized that if they got rid of their own constituency, they'd lose their raison d'etre. Yet, they don't like "those people" -- and they'd just as soon be rid of them completely. They definitely do NOT want to see them reproducing at natural rates -- so, they use abortion to "manage the size of the herd" -- keep it big enough to provide decent hunting (i.e., maintain a large enough voting bloc to enable them to stay in power) -- but, do not allow it to grow OUT of the ghetto.

That's how the liberal "mind" works. They hold their constituents in utter contempt. They do NOT want "those" people moving into their neighborhoods. But, they can't just get rid of them all, because they're needed for political purposes.

The solution to this paradox? Abortion, of course! Promote it at the levels necessary to keep "the herd" at the ideal size.

Like I said, clinical -- but what better way to examine such people as this, who are bone-chilling cold, bereft of conscience?

54 posted on 01/09/2008 3:50:50 PM PST by Don Joe (We've traded the Rule of Law for the Law of Rule.)
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To: Don Joe

Yes, you are right. The whole ‘electric shock’ experiment is becoming reality. On some level you can see how the gruesome, hyper-realistic video games of today contribute to this.


55 posted on 01/09/2008 6:42:30 PM PST by Secret Agent Man
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To: TChris

I grew up with my mother telling me that she DID NOT want me, but “had” to have me, because abortion was illegal! She has always been pro-abortion. I remember the vote in the state, in 1970 very, very well, because of my mother’s comments.

I for one; along with my spouse and children, are very, very thankful abortion was not legal in 1961! I cry for those unfortunately enough to be concieved after 1970. We just don’t know who we have flushed down the drain.

Abortion is a horrid thing.

The comment by one of the Characters in one of the movies, where they are discouraged from abortion, because they find out that their baby has “finger nails”....is so powerful!

Praise the Lord for any step forward against this most horrid, barbaric act of abortion.


56 posted on 01/12/2008 3:51:35 AM PST by tuckrdout (The good man wins his case by careful argument; the evil-minded only wants to fight. Prov. 13:2)
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