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Canada Goosed [Steyn being silenced in Canada]
The Washington Times ^ | January 9, 2007 | Pete Vere

Posted on 01/08/2008 10:44:19 PM PST by GratianGasparri

Canada goosed

By Pete Vere January 9, 2008

SAULT STE. MARIE, Ontario

An attempt to have a Canadian panel stifle Mark Steyn poses a threat to American freedom of speech, the conservative columnist says.

The Canadian author told The Washington Times in a telephone interview that the Canadian Human Rights Commission (CHRC) agreeing to investigate a Muslim complaint against him opens a new front on threats to Canadians' press and religious freedom: speech that originates in the United States.

"There are attempts to circumscribe the First Amendment, and certain groups have become very adept at using legal and quasi-legal methods to restrict discussion and what's discussed," said Mr. Steyn, who spends half the year living in New Hampshire and writes for several U.S.-based publications.

Under Canadian law, the CHRC investigates purported incidents of hate speech and discrimination and refers some to the quasi-judicial Canadian Human Rights Tribunal, which can impose fines or issue restraint orders.

Mr. Steyn became subject to a CHRC investigation last month when the Canadian Islamic Congress (CIC) complained about an excerpt Mr. Steyn had reprinted from "America Alone: The End of the World as We Know It," Mr. Steyn's best-seller published by U.S.-based Regnery Publishing.

(Excerpt) Read more at washingtontimes.com ...


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Foreign Affairs; Government; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: canada; chrc; dhimmitude; firstamendment; homosexualagenda; humanrights; islamincanada; marksteyn; speech
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1 posted on 01/08/2008 10:44:20 PM PST by GratianGasparri
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To: Salvation

ping!


2 posted on 01/08/2008 10:45:24 PM PST by GratianGasparri
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To: GratianGasparri

I think it would be interesting if Syeyn would request asylum, thus allowing him to remain here all year long. That would be VERY embarrassing to Canada if they proceeded with any action against Steyn.


3 posted on 01/08/2008 10:50:51 PM PST by BigEdLB (BigEd)
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To: BigEdLB

Does not surprise me one iota. I used to live in vancouver...the san francisco of canada. Canadians, in general, are sheep to the liberalism. And they ALWays blame Americans for their troubles.

So if those commies up north want to pursue this, the more Mark Steyn will be canonized.


4 posted on 01/08/2008 11:02:02 PM PST by max americana
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To: max americana

... from the Canadian National Exhibition !

5 posted on 01/08/2008 11:24:22 PM PST by dr_lew
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To: GratianGasparri; backhoe; conniew; fanfan; Rb ver. 2.0; ari-freedom; davidosborne; ovrtaxt; ...

Ping


6 posted on 01/08/2008 11:29:56 PM PST by Anti-Bubba182
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To: dr_lew

Can you post a larger version of that picture? I’m having trouble seeing it.


7 posted on 01/08/2008 11:33:04 PM PST by Junior_G
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To: dr_lew
Learn how to size!

Turkey Shoot

8 posted on 01/08/2008 11:41:03 PM PST by brityank (The more I learn about the Constitution, the more I realise this Government is UNconstitutional !!)
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To: GratianGasparri
We can be certain that if a certain party regains power in the '08 election- these same tactics will be used here, to silence anyone who doesn't give blind allegiance to the far left.

I don't know how Mark Steyn puts up with this BS. In either case, we live in scary times- lots of bad omens looming.

9 posted on 01/08/2008 11:49:38 PM PST by Pajamajan (Pray for president Bush. Pray for our troops. Pray for congress, Pray for our nation.)
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To: dr_lew

10 posted on 01/08/2008 11:51:16 PM PST by Liberty Valance (Keep a simple manner for a happy life :o)
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To: brityank

Well, how?

I can see various image specs in “View page source” ... did you enter them manually? ... and whats with alt=”Turkey Shoot” ?

The spirit is willing, but the flesh is weak.


11 posted on 01/08/2008 11:53:51 PM PST by dr_lew
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To: Liberty Valance

Stan Rogers!
12 posted on 01/08/2008 11:55:24 PM PST by Liberty Valance (Keep a simple manner for a happy life :o)
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To: Liberty Valance

http://youtube.com/watch?v=vL8EwN4dsv4
Stan Rogers Barrett’s Privateers


13 posted on 01/08/2008 11:58:57 PM PST by Liberty Valance (Keep a simple manner for a happy life :o)
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To: AdmSmith; Berosus; Convert from ECUSA; dervish; Ernest_at_the_Beach; Fred Nerks; KlueLass; ...
An attempt to have a Canadian panel stifle Mark Steyn poses a threat to American freedom of speech, the conservative columnist says.
Not to mention Canada.
14 posted on 01/09/2008 12:01:19 AM PST by SunkenCiv (https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/____________________Profile updated Sunday, December 30, 2007)
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To: Anti-Bubba182

Thanks AB.


15 posted on 01/09/2008 12:05:26 AM PST by SunkenCiv (https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/____________________Profile updated Sunday, December 30, 2007)
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To: dr_lew
Here's how I did it; looked at "View Source" for the pic, and cut it down to a manageable size; yours is 2000 by 3008:

I added the "Turkey Shoot" as that's what they think they're doing to Steyn.     ;^)

16 posted on 01/09/2008 12:14:10 AM PST by brityank (The more I learn about the Constitution, the more I realise this Government is UNconstitutional !!)
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To: GratianGasparri

Maybe Steyn and Michael Savage should start a anti-jihadi lawsuit fund or something. Something tells me these kinds of lawsuits are going to keep coming. It’s the foreign Muslims way of changing the legal systems of Western countries more to their liking.


17 posted on 01/09/2008 12:19:32 AM PST by TheThinker (Hollywood: The Democrats Propaganda Arm)
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To: BigEdLB
"would be interesting if Steyn would request asylum"

Yes, that sure would be interesting, and serve em' right if he did ;-)

18 posted on 01/09/2008 12:22:23 AM PST by Pajamajan (Pray for president Bush. Pray for our troops. Pray for congress, Pray for our nation.)
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To: GratianGasparri
Photobucket
19 posted on 01/09/2008 12:57:35 AM PST by AdvisorB ("A Hillary Clinton presidency would result in a weaker economy and a weaker America" Dick Morris)
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To: BigEdLB

That’s a great idea, it really is. Of course he would probably get more rights if he just came over here illegally and lived in the shadows.


20 posted on 01/09/2008 1:19:32 AM PST by americanophile
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To: GratianGasparri
Asked whether the CHRC was intentionally targeting religious or socially conservative speech, Ms. Gregoire said the question was "inappropriate,"

Whoa!

First they nail you for your political incorrectness (in this case, two Catholic groups, fined for refusing to knuckle under to homosexuals), and then, they nail you for even asking about their motives!

What kind of shit is this anyway? Stinks of "the divine right of kings to rule"!

They sit in absolute dictatorial judgement of every aspect of YOUR life, yet you dare not even question THEM???

Saddest part of all, is that this country is headed down the same path as Canada.

21 posted on 01/09/2008 1:30:35 AM PST by Don Joe (We've traded the Rule of Law for the Law of Rule.)
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To: BigEdLB
I think it would be interesting if Syeyn would request asylum, thus allowing him to remain here all year long. That would be VERY embarrassing to Canada if they proceeded with any action against Steyn.

Never happen. Might offend TRoP.

22 posted on 01/09/2008 1:31:34 AM PST by Don Joe (We've traded the Rule of Law for the Law of Rule.)
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To: BigEdLB

PS: Things might turn sufficiently ugly that his only viable option would be to move to Israel — like, pronto, before they yank his passport.


23 posted on 01/09/2008 1:32:30 AM PST by Don Joe (We've traded the Rule of Law for the Law of Rule.)
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To: SunkenCiv

I thought Mark Steyn lives in New Hampshire now.


24 posted on 01/09/2008 2:24:28 AM PST by Berosus (Support our troops, bring them home -- from Bosnia.)
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To: Anti-Bubba182

BTTT


25 posted on 01/09/2008 2:54:23 AM PST by E.G.C.
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To: E.G.C.

Oh Kan-uck-istan we stand on guard for thee,
No freedom of speech,
Only a ton of PC...

From far and wide
Like the eurolands
you’ve screwed us to the “t”
from far and wide
Oh Kanuckistan
we’re on our knees for thee

Allah keep our land
glorious and free
Oh Kanuckistan we’re on our knees for thee


26 posted on 01/09/2008 4:33:59 AM PST by Ombudsman
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To: Anti-Bubba182; GMMAC; Clive; exg; kanawa; conniew; backhoe; -YYZ-; Former Proud Canadian; ...

27 posted on 01/09/2008 4:34:56 AM PST by fanfan ("We don't start fights my friends, but we finish them, and never leave until our work is done."PMSH)
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To: brityank

O/T question for you. Is sizing pics for a thread in the HTML sandbox thread? That is useful info you just posted.


28 posted on 01/09/2008 4:39:20 AM PST by secret garden (Dubiety reigns here)
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To: Liberty Valance

That was pretty cool.


29 posted on 01/09/2008 4:58:26 AM PST by dljordan
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To: GratianGasparri
As a former resident of Canada, I can say that this article portrays things accurately except for one fact. The Human Rights commissions across Canada were created to investigate not only complaints from employment and housing as the article says, BUT ALSO hate speech potentially focused on French language groups by English speakers. This effectively squelched public resistance to federal government bilingual programs in some parts of English speaking Canada, such as parts of New Brunswick. Now areas which hitherto had been almost exclusively English speaking are now populated my French speakers in their majority, such as the Mirimichi Area of that province. So the Human Rights Commissions have been effective institutions for socialist engineering of Canadian Society since their inception.

The Human Rights Commissions are very powerful in Canada. By their very nature they restrict fundamental citizens rights, and offend due process by not adjudicating the truth of any issue other than how the complaining party "feels."Therefore political correctness predefines which sectors of society feeling a certain way may be addressed or not, via accepted or rejected complaints.

It will be a chore to obtain a full judicial review process from the Human Rights Commissions which are composed as quasi- judicial administrative tribunals. In this way the issues and principles of trial by jury, confronting ones accusers, etc. are avoided. Hearsay evidence is admissible.Once a court review is convened, after the findings of the Human Rights Commission, which will be administratively couched to avoid judicial revue, by restricting the tribunal's role to the non-adjudicative task of finders of fact,the question will revolve around Canada's Charter of Rights and the freedom of speech clause therein:

Fundamental freedoms

2. Everyone has the following fundamental freedoms:

a) freedom of conscience and religion;

b) freedom of thought, belief, opinion and expression, including freedom of the press and other media of communication;

c) freedom of peaceful assembly; and

d) freedom of association.

This case promises to be a landmark case in Canada , but will take years to process.Very few cases have been decided under The Charter as courts have been reluctant to give it operative effect to overturn legislation in the face of the traditional doctrine of the Supremacy of Parliament.

Further brief on the Canadian Charter of Rights can be found at:

Canadian Charter of Rights and Freedoms

(This writer is a graduate of a Canadian School of Law)

30 posted on 01/09/2008 5:49:00 AM PST by Candor7
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To: BigEdLB

We have room for a guy like Steyn. c’mon down...


31 posted on 01/09/2008 5:50:33 AM PST by Eric in the Ozarks (ENERGY CRISIS made in Washington D. C.)
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To: Pajamajan
We can be certain that if a certain party regains power in the '08 election- these same tactics will be used here, to silence anyone who doesn't give blind allegiance to the far left.

Well, the USA has this little First Amendment thingy that cuts way down on this type of gratuitous government abuse...but I expect the Left to go after its Internet critics in a big way, since that's more of a gray area.

Free Republic might end up forced to publish solely as a weekly print tabloid. ;)

32 posted on 01/09/2008 5:57:44 AM PST by Mr. Jeeves ("Wise men don't need to debate; men who need to debate are not wise." -- Tao Te Ching)
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To: GratianGasparri
This article's depiction of the war on Christianity is stunning. Left unchecked, Mr. Steyn said the CHRC could bring about a relationship between the state and the press similar to that of the former Soviet Union, in which "basically the state regulates the bounds of public expression." ...no accused has ever won a case once the CHRC referred it to the Canadian Human Rights Tribunal and that truth is not a defense when dealing with the commission or the tribunal. Whereas facts, quotes and statistics may be accurately cited by the author, what the commissions bases its judgment upon is whether the person reading it is offended....Citing previous cases investigated by the CHRC, Mr. Gray said Canada's human rights commissions are targeting Christians and social conservatives.

"The one case I know where a Christian responded by filing a complaint against an individual who had defamed him, the CHRC refused to hear the complaint," he said.

33 posted on 01/09/2008 6:21:19 AM PST by 3AngelaD (They screwed up their own countries so bad they had to leave, and now they're here screwing up ours)
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To: GratianGasparri

These Canuck Star Chambers need to be violently opposed!


34 posted on 01/09/2008 6:33:40 AM PST by ohioman
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To: GratianGasparri

I wonder when Canada begins blocking some websites that contains opinions they don’t like—like China already does.


35 posted on 01/09/2008 6:42:49 AM PST by Antoninus (If you want the national GOP to look more like the Massachusetts GOP, vote for Flip Romney)
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To: Antoninus

“I wonder when Canada begins blocking some websites that contains opinions they don’t like—like China already does.”

They tried earlier this summer with FreeRepublic’s official Canadian sister-site FreeDominion


36 posted on 01/09/2008 6:48:32 AM PST by GratianGasparri
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To: dr_lew

nice colors but don’t have time scrolling to find out what the picture is. Maybe someone can interpret.


37 posted on 01/09/2008 7:05:55 AM PST by Joan Kerrey
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To: secret garden
Turkey Shoot I'm sure it's in one of the Sandbox threads somewhere, as this is where I learned about it. John's 'Preview' box comes in handy to check and make sure you haven't screwed up any of your links (hover over them and verify they are as expected in the Status Bar) and you haven't swapped the width and height. To resize I just change both values by the same percentage -- in this case that 2000 x 3008 I made 200 x 302.

Also, Getting started with HTML ^ from the W3C gives a good, easy overview of the basics.

Enjoy!

38 posted on 01/09/2008 7:53:41 AM PST by brityank (The more I learn about the Constitution, the more I realise this Government is UNconstitutional !!)
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To: Joan Kerrey

Page down. :^)


39 posted on 01/09/2008 7:56:32 AM PST by brityank (The more I learn about the Constitution, the more I realise this Government is UNconstitutional !!)
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To: brityank

Thank you!


40 posted on 01/09/2008 8:03:30 AM PST by secret garden (Dubiety reigns here)
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To: Berosus

Thanks Berosus.


41 posted on 01/09/2008 8:31:43 AM PST by SunkenCiv (https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/____________________Profile updated Sunday, December 30, 2007)
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To: Anti-Bubba182
Thanks AB.

It is interesting to see for me and no doubt a number of Canadians a new name,Pete Vere. I listened to an audio of his statement but it seemed to cut off at about 3.45 minutes. I know he was brought up in Northern Ontario by his biography. A little puzzle though and perhaps I am slow this morning.

The byline states SAULT STE MARIE . This is where I live. Perhaps there will be some sort of hearings here. I could then go and observe. Pete has the pronunciation a little off. (SOO SAYNT MAREE) phonetically. No matter.

This is one of the most important test cases yet. Again and again the CHRC has clamped down on an apprensive citizen. The effrontery of this body boggles the mind. For some wicked criminals - thugs, drug peddlers and cheaters, can get certain bleeding heart lawyers and sometimes a hostile judge. The judge will turn around and declare the accused did not get this warning, did not get that legal procedure. Therefore case dismissed.

I am pleased to see Kathy of SDA in the thick of it. Again, thanks for the heads up, in particular the information of the old adopted home town somehow being used.

42 posted on 01/09/2008 8:32:00 AM PST by Peter Libra
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To: Berosus
He does have a place in New Hampshire, yes. He goes back and forth. He is most welcome to stay. We might lose a few Canadian jokes after a while, but we will survive. But better if instead he fights the silly putzs and just wins.
43 posted on 01/09/2008 8:34:54 AM PST by JasonC
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To: Anti-Bubba182; Candor7; GratianGasparri

Thanks for the ping; thanks for posting...educational.


44 posted on 01/09/2008 10:17:41 AM PST by PGalt
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To: Liberty Valance
"The skipper in the scuppers with the staggeres and jags."

Classic.

I miss Stan. He is a true Canadian hero. Most people do not know about that.

45 posted on 01/09/2008 10:45:40 AM PST by Candor7
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To: JasonC
"... But better if instead he fights the silly putzs and just wins.."

A famous author like Steyn has a better chance to win and get public sympathy to change these laws. What you hear about with these commissions are cases with Holocaust deniers, racists or cranks of various types. Nobody much cares about them and the Tribunals continue.

First They Came for the Jews

First they came for the Jews
and I did not speak out
because I was not a Jew.
Then they came for the Communists
and I did not speak out
because I was not a Communist.
Then they came for the trade unionists
and I did not speak out
because I was not a trade unionist.
Then they came for me
and there was no one left
to speak out for me.
Pastor Martin Niemöller

Replace Jews with whoever and that is what happens in Canada. Steyn proves the Slippery Slope argument is no fallacy in this case. It is also most important to note that Steyn is facing an instrumentality of law, not a boycott, mere public criticism or being fired by a private enterprise or thrown out of a club.

I am against hate speech laws because of what you see in Canada today. Laws like this always end up being used to suppress dissent in a way much more pervasive than private "Get off my property"or "I choose not to buy from you" action.

46 posted on 01/09/2008 10:49:29 AM PST by Anti-Bubba182
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To: GratianGasparri
Canada is a sovereign country. Canadians have the right to determine which laws and procedures they want to live under, however silly and/or dangerous.

If Mark Steyn's way of life is compromised because he can't sell the pieces he writes in the US to Canada as well, then tough toenails.

National sovereignty trumps individual income potential all the time.

Yes. All humans should spend some clock cycles educating themselves about these anti-free-speech councils in Canada and doing what we can to encourage Canadians to get rid of them.

But in the meantime, if Mark Steyn makes less money, or if he can no longer go to Canada for fear of prosecution, then that is something he will have to live with so long as we all live in a world where every nation gets to set its own rules.

Would you all prefer a world government that would most likely replicate these anti-free-speech councils throughout the world?

Or maybe you like the system where a few global organizations such as the WTO and IMF set rules such that their big business buddies get to sell whatever crap they want all over the world, but the little guy has to scrape by on his own to sell products on a country-by-country basis?

47 posted on 01/09/2008 11:00:26 AM PST by who_would_fardels_bear
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To: who_would_fardels_bear
No, I prefer we just tell Canada to scrap its ridiculous law in the matter - which is not remotely about Steyn's book sales, but it about our radical Islamic enemies literally suing in our own western courts to prevent any criticism of their own activities. And if it won't, I'm all for ending all trade with Canada. For that matter, I'd support a military overthrow of the Canadian government and annexation by the US (we can spin off Quebec lol). Sovereign that. Side with my mortal enemies, earn my mortal emnity.
48 posted on 01/09/2008 11:21:11 AM PST by JasonC
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To: JasonC
"in our own western courts"

So you are a supporter of Supreme Court Justice Anthony Kennedy's ideas that we should look to other countrys' laws for insight into how we should interpret our own?

In which case it would be Canada that would be annexing us by decree of the European Union.

49 posted on 01/09/2008 11:25:06 AM PST by who_would_fardels_bear
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To: who_would_fardels_bear
I'd call that a radical interpretation of the text.

CAIR is suing Savage in the US (actually he is one of about a dozen, including US Airways and the founder of "anti-CAIR"). In Canada, it is these absurd boards going after Steyn. Fallaci was first sued in Switzerland and a Swiss judge issued a warrant for her arrest through interpol. When Italy said it would not recognize that because it believes in freedom of speech, so they sued her directly in Italy. Those doing so defamed Christianity more than she ever did Islam, and also directly called for her death, but the judge ignored all that and demanded she stand trial. She died in exile in New York. Islamic groups expressed "relief".

Pretending this is about sovereign nations doing as they please is just that, pretending. It is organized Islamic radicals and their leftist supporters playing western legal systems like a fiddly, to enforce a PC code that will have no one speak ill of anything about Islam. It is Sharia on the installment plan.

50 posted on 01/09/2008 12:25:29 PM PST by JasonC
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