Posted on 01/10/2008 5:29:29 AM PST by connell
Whenever anyone mentions Ron Paul, it really touches off Paulestinian nerves. Yesterday's piece was titled Ron Paul, get out of the Republican Party.
The post on Free Republic touched off the longest comment thread I think I have ever seen there: 441 and still going, last I checked.
Interestingly, I discovered early this morning that a similar "Ron Paul please leave the GOP" post went up on Redstate yesterday, titled Republicans to Ron Paul: Seriously, Get Lost. They even wrote it in 2nd person, just as I did. Sane minds think alike, it seems.
Through all of this, I keep noticing that Paul's supporters seem unable to distinguish between their support for some of Ron Paul's appealing libertarian positions and the rest of the neo-Confederate conspiratorial bilge that accompanies it. I noticed that a commenter on the Redstate thread brought up the same point:
It's a persistent characteristic of Paul's supporters that they don't seem to be able to grasp the difference between criticism of Paul specifically and criticism of libertarian ideas generally. You'll say "look, this guy either approved of or was too dozy or disterested to prevent to issuing of a whole bunch of racist, anti-semitic shlock under his name," and their reply is to point to the debt clock and ask you why you don't support cutting the size of government. It just doesn't address the issue, and it happens so frequently that is starts to look less like strategy than pathology.
The commenter is quite right.
I have tried several times, both in posts and in comment threads, to make the important distinction between the principled people who support libertarian positions and the fringe people and ideas swarming like flies around Ron Paul's stinking midden. And yet, again and again, many...
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At David Dukes site he discusses what Paul need to do to win.
Ron Paul Get on your Hindenburg and get out!
“So many of your views are my views. I keep saying, over and over again, that we share many goals in common...but that Ron Paul is not the answer. That is my point here.”
When Huckster Mitt and Rooty are the leaders of the campaign, the time to work inside the party is fast drawing to a close.
I used to think Paul was nuts - until I paid attention to what he actually said and did vs what what I read about him in the FR echo chamber.
Partial quotes, out and out lies, etc - all posted to breaking news and staying there a good long while. If Hunter drops out before Super Tuesday then Paul will get my vote in the AZ primary. I know he won’t win - but what better way to ensure that a brokered convention gave us a limited government candidate than supporting the candidate who best supports limited government? The primaries are the time to make your voice heard - and the consensus RINOs want to shut that down by saying, get out. I’m not having it anymore.
Not that I have tons of information on him yet, so I cannot entirely speak credibly about all his positions, but I’m curious: what do you think about Bobby Jindal down in Louisiana?
Your post does exactly what the article says the Paulistas are doing, it accuses those of us who oppose Paul of opposing him because we’re in favor of big government and against the Constitution.
If that was all there was to Ron, I’d be all for him.
I oppose him because of his disastrously unrealistic view of our national security needs, and because of his association with Lew Rockwell and other people I despise.
Lay down with pigs, you get up dirty. Ron chose to roll around with Lew and other pigs for decades. Now you accuse those of us who point out the smell of pushing “guilt by association.”
Two more reasons I don’t support the guy.
1. He claims he will do things like abolish the IRS, which the president has no authority to do. This is a constitutionalist?
2. In an election against any mainstream Democrat, Ron would probably get <30% of the vote.
Its quite possible the reason some people are mildly supportive of him is that he is the only politician in the race right now actually talking about libertarian ideas. I mean, if any of the top guys was a libertarian that wanted to stay fight to win the war we are in, I’d be camping out at the stinking polling place to vote for them first. Sadly I have to choose between socialism and watered down quasi socialism.
With the notable exception being Hunter and Fred who are neither socialist, but the TV didnt tell everyone it was ok to vote for them so they wont.
For the record, I’d love to see how the elections would be different if you had to show up with proof of property ownership before you could vote. That would be my dream.
“Not that I have tons of information on him yet, so I cannot entirely speak credibly about all his positions, but I’m curious: what do you think about Bobby Jindal down in Louisiana?”
I don’t know a lot about Jindal.
What I do know is a little of his personal story, which is compelling.
As an outsider to Louisiana (I’ve never been there) I can think that even if he’s a RINO (I have no idea if he is or isn’t) he has to be better than the corrupt nitwit dems down there. But it isn’t my state, so I haven’t looked into him. I do know he’s popular in some quarters, but like I said, don’t know a lot about him.
That is not what I have seen here.
In fact, it is nearly the opposite.
My own experience with the anti-Paul threads is that most Paul-bashers will cite his past connection with the Libertarian Party as a detriment to his credibility as a Republican.
IMO, it is the Republican Party that is leaving us.
If the Republicans want to depart from the traditional conservative values that were prevalent in the early years, and steer it towards a more socialist, big government, globalist position, then let them go.
I must remain true to my own beliefs however, and attempt to defend freedom as best as I can, whether by myself or with the help of a few friends.
Not true. The longest (and funniest)thread I have ever seen on FR was one little gem eloquently titled "UNNNGH".
And Ron Paul needs to crawl back under the rock from which he and his supporters slithered.
Please see my post #31. Thanks.
Greatest FR thread EVER!! A real classic, all time best, funniest dam thing on the net. A keyboard soaker....
‘The post on Free Republic touched off the longest comment thread I think I have ever seen there: 441 and still going, last I checked.’
The guy doesn’t come here very often, does he...
My goal, each day, is to figure out how to defeat the left and discredit its ideas.
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‘Your post does exactly what the article says the Paulistas are doing, it accuses those of us who oppose Paul of opposing him because we’re in favor of big government and against the Constitution.’
Yep.
The fact remains Ron Paul is a Republican in name only, and the only reason is money and exposure.
He learned being the Libertarian Candidate ‘publicly’ is a disaster in 1988, a complete and utter waste of time.
Its the cynical nature of his candidacy that should turn off anyone that claims to be a Libertarian. He’s using the GOP for money and exposure, because he knows being the LP candidate is futile.
That kind of ethically challenged ‘core’ is stunning.
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